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RE: The white supremacy incident - 8/17/2017 3:20:01 PM   
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Greta do you really believe that the white Supremacists brought their guns to defend themselves? If you do then you are more bat shit crazy than I thought.

I don't think we have even scratched the surface of the batshit crazy in that one.

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RE: The white supremacy incident - 8/17/2017 9:36:28 PM   
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Greta do you really believe that the white Supremacists brought their guns to defend themselves? If you do then you are more bat shit crazy than I thought.

Susie, you are from the UK. So you may not understand that THE VERY REASON WHY guns are legal in the USA is because Americans Feels the Need to HAVE GUNS to defend themselves. That's why they have guns. That's why gun ownership is legal. That's why it's such a gun country.

Most of the white supremacists came not only with guns for protection but with helmets and shield as well. They were fully expecting opposition towards them to be hurling alot of dangerous things at them that could kill them if it hits their head.
Which they were not wrong.

I mean, none of you are even thinking logically here. We got a whole race hating gang gathered together with heavy fire power. IF their goal was to annihilate WITH THEIR GUNS at this protest.

It wouldn't be a car ramming them down. It would be a massacre of mass shooting.

I didn't see anybody actually shooting. Lots of video evidence for you to analyse. Hell, if any counter protesters was actually shot, you'd see alot more crying about that in the news too!

But clearly, the supremacists were not using their guns as attack weapons but only for self defense, so they didn't shoot anybody.

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RE: The white supremacy incident - 8/17/2017 9:52:04 PM   
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Greta do you really believe that the white Supremacists brought their guns to defend themselves? If you do then you are more bat shit crazy than I thought.

Susie, you are from the UK. So you may not understand that THE VERY REASON WHY guns are legal in the USA is because Americans Feels the Need to HAVE GUNS to defend themselves. That's why they have guns. That's why gun ownership is legal. That's why it's such a gun country.

Most of the white supremacists came not only with guns for protection but with helmets and shield as well. They were fully expecting opposition towards them to be hurling alot of dangerous things at them that could kill them if it hits their head.
Which they were not wrong.

I mean, none of you are even thinking logically here. We got a whole race hating gang gathered together with heavy fire power. IF their goal was to annihilate WITH THEIR GUNS at this protest.

It wouldn't be a car ramming them down. It would be a massacre of mass shooting.

I didn't see anybody actually shooting. Lots of video evidence for you to analyse. Hell, if any counter protesters was actually shot, you'd see alot more crying about that in the news too!

But clearly, the supremacists were not using their guns as attack weapons but only for self defense, so they didn't shoot anybody.



You know Greta, now that you mention it, it really is a miracle we didn't end up with a massacre.

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RE: The white supremacy incident - 8/17/2017 10:06:07 PM   
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Peaceful protest was not the goal of the day. Regardless of what you want to believe.

Are you kidding, if I was openly a white supremacists, I am a target from Black Gangs and Black Organisations. Because we are openly enemies. They are anticipating violence from counter protestors, so they had to bring guns and shields to protect themselves.

They were expecting counter protestors to attack them, WHICH the counter protestors did.

They were just protecting themselves from harm.

IF they wanted bring those arms to kill.

It wouldn't be just a car ramming into counter protestors.

It would be a total massacre. They got so much fire power, if their intention was to kill and not self-defense, they would have sprayed their bullets into the counter protestors group and killed as many as possible.

But nope, no mass shooting happened.

Just one lone Nazi who got too mad and lost control and retaliated by getting into his car and ramming the crowd.

Hell, considering they were white supremacists, I thought they were pretty restrained with their guns. If their goal was violence. They should have done the violence, but they didn't.



Greta do you really believe that the white Supremacists brought their guns to defend themselves? If you do then you are more bat shit crazy than I thought.



Do you believe that is unconstitutional in the US?

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ignorant assed brit statist programmed bots piss there pants at the sight of a gun.

There have been thousands of armed protests protests across the US

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RE: The white supremacy incident - 8/17/2017 10:14:17 PM   
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Greta do you really believe that the white Supremacists brought their guns to defend themselves? If you do then you are more bat shit crazy than I thought.

Susie, you are from the UK. So you may not understand that THE VERY REASON WHY guns are legal in the USA is because Americans Feels the Need to HAVE GUNS to defend themselves. That's why they have guns. That's why gun ownership is legal. That's why it's such a gun country.

Most of the white supremacists came not only with guns for protection but with helmets and shield as well. They were fully expecting opposition towards them to be hurling alot of dangerous things at them that could kill them if it hits their head.
Which they were not wrong.

I mean, none of you are even thinking logically here. We got a whole race hating gang gathered together with heavy fire power. IF their goal was to annihilate WITH THEIR GUNS at this protest.

It wouldn't be a car ramming them down. It would be a massacre of mass shooting.

I didn't see anybody actually shooting. Lots of video evidence for you to analyse. Hell, if any counter protesters was actually shot, you'd see alot more crying about that in the news too!

But clearly, the supremacists were not using their guns as attack weapons but only for self defense, so they didn't shoot anybody.



they couldnt take over the country through force of guns so they undermined it through the courts in collusion with their ziojiz statist pals highly organized crime

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RE: The white supremacy incident - 8/18/2017 1:44:51 AM   
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Greta do you really believe that the white Supremacists brought their guns to defend themselves?


as opposed to what?

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RE: The white supremacy incident - 8/18/2017 6:33:32 AM   
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Susie, you are from the UK. So you may not understand that THE VERY REASON WHY guns are legal in the USA is because Americans Feels the Need to HAVE GUNS to defend themselves. That's why they have guns. That's why gun ownership is legal. That's why it's such a gun country.





Can you get any more fucking stupid?

You know nothing of why people in the US own guns.

At this point, I am beginning to believe your IQ drops every time you take a shit.

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RE: The white supremacy incident - 8/18/2017 6:36:35 AM   
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Greta do you really believe that the white Supremacists brought their guns to defend themselves?


as opposed to what?


Leaving them home as per the conditions of their permit?

That separated them from law abiding citizens right there.

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RE: The white supremacy incident - 8/18/2017 7:30:57 AM   
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Greta do you really believe that the white Supremacists brought their guns to defend themselves? If you do then you are more bat shit crazy than I thought.

Susie, you are from the UK. So you may not understand that THE VERY REASON WHY guns are legal in the USA is because Americans Feels the Need to HAVE GUNS to defend themselves. That's why they have guns. That's why gun ownership is legal. That's why it's such a gun country.



Yes I am from the UK and I have also spent a fair amount of time in the US. I have also travelled a lot and spent time working in Egypt and Singapore. I am also not stupid enough to think that people attending a peaceful protest would need to be armed with anything including guns. Looking at the pictures can you honestly say that the White Supremacists did not look threatening?

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RE: The white supremacy incident - 8/18/2017 8:14:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		there are many differences between liberal and conservatives points of view, one of them is the question as to whether or not shows of strength, as opposed to looking "inoffensive" forestalls acts of aggression or precipitates them.

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RE: The white supremacy incident - 8/18/2017 8:14:50 AM   
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Greta do you really believe that the white Supremacists brought their guns to defend themselves?


as opposed to what?


Leaving them home as per the conditions of their permit?

That separated them from law abiding citizens right there.



I have been waiting for someone to bring up this little fact of life, and law.

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RE: The white supremacy incident - 8/18/2017 8:16:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know the requirements of the permit---but philosophically speaking, its beside the point and the question still stands.

as for you maniacalmystery, since you lack an ability to discern---the emphasis of my question concerns the phrase "to defend themselves?"

while we're at it, and before seemingly innocuous statements get taken at face value and become "fact"---someone's going to need to provide documentation that weapons were not allowed.

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RE: The white supremacy incident - 8/18/2017 8:28:41 AM   
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I don't know the requirements of the permit---but philosophically speaking, its beside the point and the question still stands.





The permits issued are pretty straight forward, and based on the first amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Which basically means that the city issues a permit for people to gather peacefully to protest or whatever.

It also puts the responsibility for the protection of the protestors on local law enforcement.

By carrying guns in their march, the Neo Nazi groups violated the permit, and the city would have been well within the law to arrest anyone carrying a firearm or weapon of any type.

This also applied to the permits issued to the counter protestor groups, many of whom also showed up with various items that could be considered weapons.

In this respect, President Trump was correct, both sides were looking for trouble, there was no intent on either side to peacefully protest or assemble.

In fact, if President Trump would have continued his initial statement to condemn the racist group that supported the man who ran his car into a group of protestors, it would have covered the incident nicely, even though the liberal idiots would have still insisted that there side did nothing wrong.

And, I agree with bosco to an extent, that the liberal groups that were present are far from innocent.

But for liberals to claim that racism is only a southern thing, and that the south's insistence on holding on to these monuments is a desperate attempt to hang on to a failed cause they are full of shit.

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RE: The white supremacy incident - 8/18/2017 8:40:26 AM   
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there are many differences between liberal and conservatives points of view, one of them is the question as to whether or not shows of strength, as opposed to looking "inoffensive" forestalls acts of aggression or precipitates them.

Well, I guess your Nazis settled that question.

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RE: The white supremacy incident - 8/18/2017 8:43:19 AM   
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I don't know the requirements of the permit---but philosophically speaking, its beside the point and the question still stands.


By carrying guns in their march, the Neo Nazi groups violated the permit, and the city would have been well within the law to arrest anyone carrying a firearm or weapon of any type.



I just got done writing this:

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while we're at it, and before seemingly innocuous statements get taken at face value and become "fact"---someone's going to need to provide documentation that weapons were not allowed.


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RE: The white supremacy incident - 8/18/2017 8:47:25 AM   
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there are many differences between liberal and conservatives points of view, one of them is the question as to whether or not shows of strength, as opposed to looking "inoffensive" forestalls acts of aggression or precipitates them.

Well, I guess your Nazis settled that question.


May be your Nazis. Word is, they may have been led by an Obama supporter

http://wina.com/news/064460-jason-kessler-participated-in-occupy-says-another-activist/





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RE: The white supremacy incident - 8/18/2017 8:50:52 AM   
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If you like Obama supporters who go neo-Nazi, that's still your camp, not mine.

Talk to me when Green/Working-Families supporters go Nazi.

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RE: The white supremacy incident - 8/18/2017 8:57:23 AM   
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there are many differences between liberal and conservatives points of view, one of them is the question as to whether or not shows of strength, as opposed to looking "inoffensive" forestalls acts of aggression or precipitates them.

Well, I guess your Nazis settled that question.


again, you lack an ability to both discern, and actually articulate my position. if you remember that "you suck" maybe that will give you some more circumspection and you'll stop posting things that make you look all the more a fool.

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RE: The white supremacy incident - 8/18/2017 8:59:59 AM   
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/16/timeline-leading-to-declaration-of-unlawful-assembly-at-emancipation-park-rally-in-charlottesville-virginia-on-august-12/

"Timeline Leading to Declaration of Unlawful Assembly at Emancipation Park Rally in Charlottesville, Virginia on August 12"

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Law enforcement officers in full riot gear then began forming a line at the rear of Emancipation Park, slowly moving forward to push people out of the park and toward the counter-protesters, many of whom were acting aggressively. Police warned anyone who remained in the park, on the street or in the sidewalk that they would be arrested.





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RE: The white supremacy incident - 8/18/2017 9:06:13 AM   
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You're the one who keeps defending them.

If you like Obama supporters who go neo-Nazi, that's still your camp, not mine.

Talk to me when Green/Working-Families supporters go Nazi.


I defend things like freedom of speech and truth, and I lump Nazis with Muslims (which is exactly where they belong)

You and yours are extremely selective in your faux snake tear outrage. Fine for antifa fascists to attack innocent people for merely attending Trump campaign events, etc. Threaten women such as Ann Coulter for daring to exercise her right to free speech

Your friends are the true Nazis, and I haven't defended them once, though defending Nazis behavior is all you leftists ever seem to do on here

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