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FR

I think the reason Hillary lost is that she had such a short memory.

If memory serves there was a movie called The War Room made after
Bill won the first time. I found the Wiki page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Room

"The film follows James Carville and George Stephanopoulos at first
during the New Hampshire Primary, and then mostly in Little Rock,
Arkansas, at Clinton Campaign Headquarters."

Across the back wall there was a large banner.

It's The Economy Stupid

She and her team were stupid. They forgot.

Too easy to write because there we were in recessions in 1992, 2000 and 2008, we were not during 2016, in a recession. That some felt that the recovery didn't lift all boats...it must be something else.

Must be all of those 'establishment' politicians and regulations and profiting off illegal immigration. Must be all of things that have taken away the good, working, white christian world we lived in back then but nothing that wasn't left un-addressed by any politician for 20-30 years.

Now it had to be the establishment, this time seen in the face of an uppity lefty, woman lawyer no less.

Obama had a recovery??? Reagan had a recovery. Obama doubled the debt and never had a growth above 2.6%. The best you can say is he proved Keynesian economics to be worthless.

Going by the same numbers coming out of institutions the right clings to when singing their own praises, yes Obama brought us out of recession.

Reagan's Keynesian economy quadrupled the debt, With Bush I's continued Keynesian debts forcing a tax hike. Yet, it is mythology that that, cost him a 2nd term.

Ya, I've seen those conspiracy theories from you time and again. It's one of your favorites. I'm not going to argue it with you because in the black and white world of your conspiracies I really don't think the neural pathways in your brain can actually handle discussion. I just like to point out when you are making shit up. I never expect you'll change your thinking.

What did I make up ?

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FR

I think the reason Hillary lost is that she had such a short memory.

If memory serves there was a movie called The War Room made after
Bill won the first time. I found the Wiki page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Room

"The film follows James Carville and George Stephanopoulos at first
during the New Hampshire Primary, and then mostly in Little Rock,
Arkansas, at Clinton Campaign Headquarters."

Across the back wall there was a large banner.

It's The Economy Stupid

She and her team were stupid. They forgot.

Too easy to write because there we were in recessions in 1992, 2000 and 2008, we were not during 2016, in a recession. That some felt that the recovery didn't lift all boats...it must be something else.

Must be all of those 'establishment' politicians and regulations and profiting off illegal immigration. Must be all of things that have taken away the good, working, white christian world we lived in back then but nothing that wasn't left un-addressed by any politician for 20-30 years.

Now it had to be the establishment, this time seen in the face of an uppity lefty, woman lawyer no less.

Obama had a recovery??? Reagan had a recovery. Obama doubled the debt and never had a growth above 2.6%. The best you can say is he proved Keynesian economics to be worthless.

Going by the same numbers coming out of institutions the right clings to when singing their own praises, yes Obama brought us out of recession.

Reagan's Keynesian economy quadrupled the debt, With Bush I's continued Keynesian debts forcing a tax hike. Yet, it is mythology that that, cost him a 2nd term.

Ya, I've seen those conspiracy theories from you time and again. It's one of your favorites. I'm not going to argue it with you because in the black and white world of your conspiracies I really don't think the neural pathways in your brain can actually handle discussion. I just like to point out when you are making shit up. I never expect you'll change your thinking.

What did I make up ?

It's still a toss up in my mind whether you or RO make up more conspiracies. As you said the other day, you read something and you get a "feel" for it. And off you go. So just assume anytime you have that "feel" you start to make up a conspiracy about it.

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It's still a toss up in my mind whether you or RO make up more conspiracies.

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I wasn't having a conversation, I was making a statement. There's no conspiracy. It's a big part of the right wing dialogue today and has been since Reagan. It has been and is still very public.

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I honestly believe he doesn't care whether anything happens or not. I think his whole purpose was to put aside 'political correctness' so that the serious concerns (whether you agree with them or not) that were bubbling like magma under the surface could be given a voice and heard loud and clear. Whether you agree or not, whether they are 'right' or 'wrong', half the country (at least) has some of the same concerns and thoughts as Trump. He did us all a favor by having the balls to put these issues front and center so everyone can see them. It is allowing everyone to discuss and debate and eventually... we will be able to move on.

How could anything happen when the entire media and most of Washington are against giving power back to the citizens, which is what President Trump represents. Hillary was crooked, and the entire Democrat party is in over their heads in the same sleaze she swam in. Crazy uncle Bernie has been found out to be a greedy cheater... The Republicans are no better for the most part, they are also growing wealthy off of abusing the power they have been entrusted with

President Trump is the figurehead of real change, but only the beginning. He gives voice to what a great many people have been demanding for a very long time

Third parties are a joke, btw. Throw your votes away if you are a leftist, I am fine with that. President Trump shows everyone how an outsider can truly win power, in the real world

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1) Yes, it would.
2) Because all voters, not just registered party members, would be choosing candidates. In the last election, 9% of voters chose Trump/Clinton, the choice the other 91% had to live with. (I'm not gonna look for it--I posted it several times before the election -- the NYT has a nice graphic on this)

1) I'm not sure I see that happening then.
2) Where were the other 91% of registered voters? That they didn't give enough of a damn to show up and vote sure means something.
I like the idea I floated near the end of the election cycle. No party affiliations allowed on ballots. Everyone who meets the criteria and wants to run can run. First primary is in the Spring, and it narrows the field to 10 candidates. The next primary would be in mid-Summer and would narrow the field down to 5 or so. The November election would still not have any allowance for party affiliation on the ballot. Top two Electoral College winners are Pres/VP. Without an Amendment, we'd still be saddled with the 50%+1 EC vote requirement or it goes to the House, but even then, the election would be more open and, ultimately, more representative of America. I'd also love to see the field of 5 only be able to spend X number of dollars and those dollars solely coming from the Federal Government.

In California presidential elections mean nothing. Presidential candidates rarely come here except to fund raise. We have open primaries. What usually happens is people pick someone to vote for that's just going to fuck with the inevitable winner. For instance, this year in the primaries I and many conservative friends voted for Bernie just to fuck with Hillary. I've seen it where many Dems will do the same to prevent a possible electable republican, say for a house race, from winning.
Does it work? Probably not. Hillary was going to win Dems here regardless and she did. All it does is reduce voting to the lowest common denominator.

Imagine if there was one singular open primary to determine/rank all candidates. Every state would have one on the same day. the Top 10 vote winners become the field. That might shake shit up. You wouldn't have been able to vote 'for' Bernie to fuck with Clinton, since that's your only vote and that would mean you wouldn't be able to actually vote for the candidate you actually supported.

That would pretty much end any third party aspiration.

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Well it seems to me that Obama got us through one of the worst financial crisis we've ever had. Whether you like it or not... give credit where credit is due. When he was elected, no one even wanted to be President.

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Money and the corporation took over (read all of the law and courts on that and Lincoln to) and it's much easier to set-up, protect and bribe a binary political system.

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Many of the same people stating a 3rd party will NEVER win

The Republican party started as a 3rd party.

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And the Republican Party is doing its best to repeat history.

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1) Yes, it would.
2) Because all voters, not just registered party members, would be choosing candidates. In the last election, 9% of voters chose Trump/Clinton, the choice the other 91% had to live with. (I'm not gonna look for it--I posted it several times before the election -- the NYT has a nice graphic on this)

1) I'm not sure I see that happening then.
2) Where were the other 91% of registered voters? That they didn't give enough of a damn to show up and vote sure means something.
I like the idea I floated near the end of the election cycle. No party affiliations allowed on ballots. Everyone who meets the criteria and wants to run can run. First primary is in the Spring, and it narrows the field to 10 candidates. The next primary would be in mid-Summer and would narrow the field down to 5 or so. The November election would still not have any allowance for party affiliation on the ballot. Top two Electoral College winners are Pres/VP. Without an Amendment, we'd still be saddled with the 50%+1 EC vote requirement or it goes to the House, but even then, the election would be more open and, ultimately, more representative of America. I'd also love to see the field of 5 only be able to spend X number of dollars and those dollars solely coming from the Federal Government.

In California presidential elections mean nothing. Presidential candidates rarely come here except to fund raise. We have open primaries. What usually happens is people pick someone to vote for that's just going to fuck with the inevitable winner. For instance, this year in the primaries I and many conservative friends voted for Bernie just to fuck with Hillary. I've seen it where many Dems will do the same to prevent a possible electable republican, say for a house race, from winning.
Does it work? Probably not. Hillary was going to win Dems here regardless and she did. All it does is reduce voting to the lowest common denominator.

Imagine if there was one singular open primary to determine/rank all candidates. Every state would have one on the same day. the Top 10 vote winners become the field. That might shake shit up. You wouldn't have been able to vote 'for' Bernie to fuck with Clinton, since that's your only vote and that would mean you wouldn't be able to actually vote for the candidate you actually supported.

That would pretty much end any third party aspiration.

Why is that?

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FR

I think the reason Hillary lost is that she had such a short memory.

If memory serves there was a movie called The War Room made after
Bill won the first time. I found the Wiki page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Room

"The film follows James Carville and George Stephanopoulos at first
during the New Hampshire Primary, and then mostly in Little Rock,
Arkansas, at Clinton Campaign Headquarters."

Across the back wall there was a large banner.

It's The Economy Stupid

She and her team were stupid. They forgot.

Too easy to write because there we were in recessions in 1992, 2000 and 2008, we were not during 2016, in a recession. That some felt that the recovery didn't lift all boats...it must be something else.

Must be all of those 'establishment' politicians and regulations and profiting off illegal immigration. Must be all of things that have taken away the good, working, white christian world we lived in back then but nothing that wasn't left un-addressed by any politician for 20-30 years.

Now it had to be the establishment, this time seen in the face of an uppity lefty, woman lawyer no less.

Obama had a recovery??? Reagan had a recovery. Obama doubled the debt and never had a growth above 2.6%. The best you can say is he proved Keynesian economics to be worthless.

Going by the same numbers coming out of institutions the right clings to when singing their own praises, yes Obama brought us out of recession.

Reagan's Keynesian economy quadrupled the debt, With Bush I's continued Keynesian debts forcing a tax hike. Yet, it is mythology that that, cost him a 2nd term.

Ya, I've seen those conspiracy theories from you time and again. It's one of your favorites. I'm not going to argue it with you because in the black and white world of your conspiracies I really don't think the neural pathways in your brain can actually handle discussion. I just like to point out when you are making shit up. I never expect you'll change your thinking.

What did I make up ?

It's still a toss up in my mind whether you or RO make up more conspiracies. As you said the other day, you read something and you get a "feel" for it. And off you go. So just assume anytime you have that "feel" you start to make up a conspiracy about it.

And of course, that's no answer at all.

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you are the only asshelmet on the site that would label anything you are cluless about a 'conspiracy', theory or otherwise, no one buys that bullshit anymore, they recognise you are in a corner you cant get out and dodging the issue using ad hominem fallacies, your SOP it seems.

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you are the only asshelmet on the site that would label anything you are cluless about a 'conspiracy', theory or otherwise, no one buys that bullshit anymore, they recognise you are in a corner you cant get out and dodging the issue using ad hominem fallacies, your SOP it seems.

Lol RO. Hey, MR demanded you produce a picture of God in order to prove God exist. All I've asked him to do is produce a picture of those shadow villains that go to each newly elected president and threaten his life if he doesn't play ball. Or a picture of the New York financiers that made Lenin toe a political line in the early days after the revolution. Surely if he wants a picture of God he can produce pictures of those secret fellows he claims run the world.

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you are the only asshelmet on the site that would label anything you are cluless about a 'conspiracy', theory or otherwise, no one buys that bullshit anymore, they recognise you are in a corner you cant get out and dodging the issue using ad hominem fallacies, your SOP it seems.

Lol RO. Hey, MR demanded you produce a picture of God in order to prove God exist. All I've asked him to do is produce a picture of those shadow villains that go to each newly elected president and threaten his life if he doesn't play ball. Or a picture of the New York financiers that made Lenin toe a political line in the early days after the revolution. Surely if he wants a picture of God he can produce pictures of those secret fellows he claims run the world.

Well I told who informed me in this matter and their pictures are all over the net. None of the principals involved had pictures of this 'shadow villains'and for rather obvious reasons.

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you are the only asshelmet on the site that would label anything you are cluless about a 'conspiracy', theory or otherwise, no one buys that bullshit anymore, they recognise you are in a corner you cant get out and dodging the issue using ad hominem fallacies, your SOP it seems.

Lol RO. Hey, MR demanded you produce a picture of God in order to prove God exist. All I've asked him to do is produce a picture of those shadow villains that go to each newly elected president and threaten his life if he doesn't play ball. Or a picture of the New York financiers that made Lenin toe a political line in the early days after the revolution. Surely if he wants a picture of God he can produce pictures of those secret fellows he claims run the world.

Well I told who informed me in this matter and their pictures are all over the net. None of the principals involved had pictures of this 'shadow villains'and for rather obvious reasons.

Lol. Ya.

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But for what? He already had everything we all dream of. That's right. Laugh if you like. I dont give a damn. Donald Trump turned his back on endless, unlimited fame, wealth, hedonism, luxury and peace.

Cincinnatus left a plow, not a throne.

Geez, 70 years old and taking 15 months of endless hate and countless death threats, to take a chance at 8 years more! Eight years of every day, from every side, being under unremitting, vicious and downright depraved attack.

His name, his family, his company, his legacy, his health, his pride, his history; his life-both his social and literal life, all of it, thrown on the altar.

All of it gathered up into one giant heap and pushed fearlessly into the middle of the table. Not for fame or wealth or comfort, which he already had in abundance, but because he loves this rotten shell of failing dreams we call America.