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UllrsIshtar -> RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website (8/25/2017 9:40:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka So you don't respect him. Where on Earth would you get that? If somebody orders your Master to go get them coffee, and that your Master doesn't, does the fact that he doesn't get coffee for other people reflect the fact that he doesn't respect them, or does it reflect the fact that he's not in an obedience dynamic with other people obligating him to go get coffee for them? You realize that tons of people who respect each other very much don't obey one another, right? Your example is irrelevant to your situation. It's not. Because I don't have an obedience dynamic with my husband. I didn't promise to obey him any more than your Master has promised to obey people he respects. Ergo, whether I obey my husband or not doesn't reflect whether I respect him or not... just like whether your Master obeys people or not doesn't reflect whether he respects them or not.

ResidentSadist -> RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website (8/25/2017 12:33:33 PM)
Block the IP in your router . . .

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website (8/25/2017 3:28:30 PM)
No doll, it is just one of those stupid "you define a slave differently than I do" arguments, and experience has taught me that there is no point in engaging in those, as they never get resolved and are utterly meaningless. If you want to call yourself a slave without having to obey the person you call Master or Mistress, then power to you, just don't expect me to call you a slave.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website (8/25/2017 4:01:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick without having to obey the person you call Master or Mistress I never said that. What I said is that my obedience isn't based on "because I promised to obey". Claiming I don't have to obey would be silly... and Ullr wouldn't put up with it. What I don't have to do, however, is be told I'm "a crappy slave" or "failing to meet my commitments" when I disobey. Nor am I expected to obey unenforced commands.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website (8/25/2017 11:18:55 PM)
Whatever babe, "slave" just means something different to me than it does to you.

tamaka -> RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website (8/25/2017 11:42:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick without having to obey the person you call Master or Mistress I never said that. What I said is that my obedience isn't based on "because I promised to obey". Claiming I don't have to obey would be silly... and Ullr wouldn't put up with it. What I don't have to do, however, is be told I'm "a crappy slave" or "failing to meet my commitments" when I disobey. Nor am I expected to obey unenforced commands. So your dynamic is you disobey when you want to feel his power & control over you?

Kaliko -> RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website (8/26/2017 2:54:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick Yeah, that's a no. We are talking about CONSENSUAL make believe slavery, so yeah, obedience is the SOP. smh I just want to make a distinction. I'm very strongly in the "Not obedient just because I'm told to be" club, but for different reasons than Ishtar, which is why I agreed with your statement. I do think that if one says they're someone's slave, that obedience shouldn't be an issue. I think that's what makes that person a slave: that obedience isn't an issue. But obedience is not my SOP all the time. I want it to be, and sitting here in my desk chair while he's sleeping it's easy for me to say that. But when the time comes when I'm expected to do something difficult or tiring or it's just bad timing, I'm not always quite so good at it. I just wanted to clarify because I have said in the past, and I will probably say again, that I find it difficult to believe those submissives who say that they do what they're told simply because they're told to. I think there's a path to that place, an imperfect journey, and if they haven't hit at least some disobedient bumps in the road, then they haven't really been tested. So no, I don't think obedience is SOP. But, I do think it should be.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website (8/26/2017 9:53:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka So your dynamic is you disobey when you want to feel his power & control over you? Nope.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website (8/26/2017 10:01:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick Whatever babe, "slave" just means something different to me than it does to you. But apparently only your definition of 'slave' is right, because the OP comes in with a question about how to enforce obedience, and the judgement you and Kaliko make right away is: if you can't get her to do what you tell her to, just by telling her to, she's not really a slave. Again, considering the historical context of the word, transforming 'slave' to mean 'a person who does what you say just because you said', instead of 'a person who does what you say because you have the power and authority to enforce their obedience' is quite an odd leap. Not that I've got issue with the 'just because you said' variant of the definition... but I am sick and tired with this automatic dogma that gets sprouted around where the perpetual claim is 'if you ever have to enforce obedience, she's not really a slave'.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website (8/26/2017 10:09:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kaliko quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick Yeah, that's a no. We are talking about CONSENSUAL make believe slavery, so yeah, obedience is the SOP. smh I just want to make a distinction. I'm very strongly in the "Not obedient just because I'm told to be" club, but for different reasons than Ishtar, which is why I agreed with your statement. I do think that if one says they're someone's slave, that obedience shouldn't be an issue. I think that's what makes that person a slave: that obedience isn't an issue. But obedience is not my SOP all the time. I want it to be, and sitting here in my desk chair while he's sleeping it's easy for me to say that. But when the time comes when I'm expected to do something difficult or tiring or it's just bad timing, I'm not always quite so good at it. I just wanted to clarify because I have said in the past, and I will probably say again, that I find it difficult to believe those submissives who say that they do what they're told simply because they're told to. I think there's a path to that place, an imperfect journey, and if they haven't hit at least some disobedient bumps in the road, then they haven't really been tested. So no, I don't think obedience is SOP. But, I do think it should be. Maybe people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and define things as 'crappy' when they have no idea of the individual relationship, or difficulty level involved.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website (8/26/2017 10:16:27 AM)
quote: But apparently only your definition of 'slave' is right I never said anything like that, so take your stupid strawman, shove it up your ass, and fuck off.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website (8/26/2017 10:43:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: But apparently only your definition of 'slave' is right I never said anything like that, so take your stupid strawman, shove it up your ass, and fuck off. You claimed the inverse of it, by asserting that a theory of slavery where enforcement is required was wrong (smh worthy even), and by proclaiming that if obedience isn't SOP, then the thing being discussed isn't voluntary slavery.

Kaliko -> RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website (8/26/2017 10:58:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: Kaliko quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick Yeah, that's a no. We are talking about CONSENSUAL make believe slavery, so yeah, obedience is the SOP. smh I just want to make a distinction. I'm very strongly in the "Not obedient just because I'm told to be" club, but for different reasons than Ishtar, which is why I agreed with your statement. I do think that if one says they're someone's slave, that obedience shouldn't be an issue. I think that's what makes that person a slave: that obedience isn't an issue. But obedience is not my SOP all the time. I want it to be, and sitting here in my desk chair while he's sleeping it's easy for me to say that. But when the time comes when I'm expected to do something difficult or tiring or it's just bad timing, I'm not always quite so good at it. I just wanted to clarify because I have said in the past, and I will probably say again, that I find it difficult to believe those submissives who say that they do what they're told simply because they're told to. I think there's a path to that place, an imperfect journey, and if they haven't hit at least some disobedient bumps in the road, then they haven't really been tested. So no, I don't think obedience is SOP. But, I do think it should be. Maybe people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and define things as 'crappy' when they have no idea of the individual relationship, or difficulty level involved. I was saying what I think, certainly not dictating that what I think goes for all. For the record, the crappy comment was just a sarcastic joke, not meant as an insult.

tamaka -> RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website (8/26/2017 11:28:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kaliko quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: Kaliko quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick Yeah, that's a no. We are talking about CONSENSUAL make believe slavery, so yeah, obedience is the SOP. smh I just want to make a distinction. I'm very strongly in the "Not obedient just because I'm told to be" club, but for different reasons than Ishtar, which is why I agreed with your statement. I do think that if one says they're someone's slave, that obedience shouldn't be an issue. I think that's what makes that person a slave: that obedience isn't an issue. But obedience is not my SOP all the time. I want it to be, and sitting here in my desk chair while he's sleeping it's easy for me to say that. But when the time comes when I'm expected to do something difficult or tiring or it's just bad timing, I'm not always quite so good at it. I just wanted to clarify because I have said in the past, and I will probably say again, that I find it difficult to believe those submissives who say that they do what they're told simply because they're told to. I think there's a path to that place, an imperfect journey, and if they haven't hit at least some disobedient bumps in the road, then they haven't really been tested. So no, I don't think obedience is SOP. But, I do think it should be. Maybe people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and define things as 'crappy' when they have no idea of the individual relationship, or difficulty level involved. I was saying what I think, certainly not dictating that what I think goes for all. For the record, the crappy comment was just a sarcastic joke, not meant as an insult. I am fortunate that my Master is very good at gauging how i 'am' and Master always makes sure that i 'have what it takes' at any given time before He orders me to do something. Plus we are both a bit OCD so there's always that crazy energy to harness too. There are sometimes when Master tells me to go do something that i don't feel like getting up and doing at that moment, but then my 'slave" energy kicks in and i want to do it because it is to serve Master.

tamaka -> RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website (8/26/2017 11:32:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: Kaliko quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick Yeah, that's a no. We are talking about CONSENSUAL make believe slavery, so yeah, obedience is the SOP. smh I just want to make a distinction. I'm very strongly in the "Not obedient just because I'm told to be" club, but for different reasons than Ishtar, which is why I agreed with your statement. I do think that if one says they're someone's slave, that obedience shouldn't be an issue. I think that's what makes that person a slave: that obedience isn't an issue. But obedience is not my SOP all the time. I want it to be, and sitting here in my desk chair while he's sleeping it's easy for me to say that. But when the time comes when I'm expected to do something difficult or tiring or it's just bad timing, I'm not always quite so good at it. I just wanted to clarify because I have said in the past, and I will probably say again, that I find it difficult to believe those submissives who say that they do what they're told simply because they're told to. I think there's a path to that place, an imperfect journey, and if they haven't hit at least some disobedient bumps in the road, then they haven't really been tested. So no, I don't think obedience is SOP. But, I do think it should be. Maybe people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and define things as 'crappy' when they have no idea of the individual relationship, or difficulty level involved. Yeah... i wouldn't want to have to 'manage my Man' again. It is definitely a way to serve but it's draining. Even when they respond well to your direction.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website (8/26/2017 1:19:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: Kaliko quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick Yeah, that's a no. We are talking about CONSENSUAL make believe slavery, so yeah, obedience is the SOP. smh I just want to make a distinction. I'm very strongly in the "Not obedient just because I'm told to be" club, but for different reasons than Ishtar, which is why I agreed with your statement. I do think that if one says they're someone's slave, that obedience shouldn't be an issue. I think that's what makes that person a slave: that obedience isn't an issue. But obedience is not my SOP all the time. I want it to be, and sitting here in my desk chair while he's sleeping it's easy for me to say that. But when the time comes when I'm expected to do something difficult or tiring or it's just bad timing, I'm not always quite so good at it. I just wanted to clarify because I have said in the past, and I will probably say again, that I find it difficult to believe those submissives who say that they do what they're told simply because they're told to. I think there's a path to that place, an imperfect journey, and if they haven't hit at least some disobedient bumps in the road, then they haven't really been tested. So no, I don't think obedience is SOP. But, I do think it should be. Maybe people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and define things as 'crappy' when they have no idea of the individual relationship, or difficulty level involved. Yeah... i wouldn't want to have to 'manage my Man' again. It is definitely a way to serve but it's draining. Even when they respond well to your direction. It's draining because if you're managing him, the person you're serving is yourself. And putting up a complicated cover about how by managing him you're really serving him and not yourself takes mental energy, because it consists of making your life a lie. I've never known anybody to be able to sustain that. Not that there's anything against living self-servingly... it's just that if that's what you're doing, you need to be honest about it, instead of setting up an elaborate construct construct which denies that very fact.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website (8/26/2017 1:26:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka I am fortunate that my Master is very good at gauging how i 'am' and Master always makes sure that i 'have what it takes' at any given time before He orders me to do something. Plus we are both a bit OCD so there's always that crazy energy to harness too. There are sometimes when Master tells me to go do something that i don't feel like getting up and doing at that moment, but then my 'slave" energy kicks in and i want to do it because it is to serve Master. Ulls doesn't worry about whether I have what it takes in order to comply with an order out of my own volition. What he gauges is whether he's got what is needed to enforce compliance. His capacity to enforce compliance far exceeds my capacity to offer obedience voluntarily, and so he gets much more out of me by not limiting what he demands of me to what I am capable of voluntarily offering to him.

tamaka -> RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website (8/26/2017 1:57:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka I am fortunate that my Master is very good at gauging how i 'am' and Master always makes sure that i 'have what it takes' at any given time before He orders me to do something. Plus we are both a bit OCD so there's always that crazy energy to harness too. There are sometimes when Master tells me to go do something that i don't feel like getting up and doing at that moment, but then my 'slave" energy kicks in and i want to do it because it is to serve Master. Ulls doesn't worry about whether I have what it takes in order to comply with an order out of my own volition. What he gauges is whether he's got what is needed to enforce compliance. His capacity to enforce compliance far exceeds my capacity to offer obedience voluntarily, and so he gets much more out of me by not limiting what he demands of me to what I am capable of voluntarily offering to him. As long as he enjoys having to force you to do stuff all the time... i guess it's all good. When i was younger, i needed that more aggressive control too. Now that i'm a bit older, i've outgrown the need for that kind of control. I am more at peace with myself, and thankful that i have a Master who inspires me to steadily improve my service as a means of having a place in His life.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website (8/26/2017 2:01:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka As long as he enjoys having to force you to do stuff all the time... i guess it's all good. Huh... where would you get the assumption that he does?

tamaka -> RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website (8/26/2017 2:05:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka As long as he enjoys having to force you to do stuff all the time... i guess it's all good. Huh... where would you get the assumption that he does? Seems like he must always be on his guard and ready to since he can't assume you'll obey.

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