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WhoreMods -> RE: The War on intelligence, facts, and science, marches on! (9/7/2017 11:32:09 AM)


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Patently false, politics determines its ability to correct if at all, Nikola Tesla the real inventor of radio being fucked over by Marconian politics comes immediately to mind.

How the fuck did you ever convince yourself that what you are saying makes sense?
If politics interferes with science then how is science to blame for that?

For letting politics interfere.

That doesn't make sense either.


Think harder. You might eventually get an epiphany.


Oh so is political interference built into the scientific method?
If you actually read the article, he isn't talking about the scientific community or politicians/corporations suppressing studies or refusing to fund others.

He is talking about science itself.

I'm not going to be condescended to by an overweight bald guy who doesn't even read the fucking article.

But a million of his brood were cloned as a batch on Sontar, so he must know his science, right?
[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7d/Sontaran_Stratagem.jpg[/img]




Real0ne -> RE: The War on intelligence, facts, and science, marches on! (9/7/2017 1:16:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
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Patently false, politics determines its ability to correct if at all, Nikola Tesla the real inventor of radio being fucked over by Marconian politics comes immediately to mind.

How the fuck did you ever convince yourself that what you are saying makes sense?
If politics interferes with science then how is science to blame for that?

For letting politics interfere.

That doesn't make sense either.


Think harder. You might eventually get an epiphany.


Oh so is political interference built into the scientific method?
If you actually read the article, he isn't talking about the scientific community or politicians/corporations suppressing studies or refusing to fund others.

He is talking about science itself.

I'm not going to be condescended to by an overweight bald guy who doesn't even read the fucking article.


Oh well you want science v science eh, ok ponds fleischmann mit couldnt get cold fusion to occur till they were the laughing stock of literally every other country in the world, why got a clue? Because they were recieving gubmint funding for hot fusion, nice try though.




Edwird -> RE: The War on intelligence, facts, and science, marches on! (9/7/2017 4:49:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Because they were recieving gubmint funding for hot fusion, nice try though.


News you can use:

When filling out a form, public or private, spelling matters. Another amazing fact, for you.




Real0ne -> RE: The War on intelligence, facts, and science, marches on! (9/7/2017 4:52:38 PM)

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Because they were recieving gubmint funding for hot fusion, nice try though.


News you can use:

When filling out a form, public or private, spelling matters. Another amazing fact, for you.




yeh especially to grammar nazis after they get their asses handed to them, nah SOP.

Do we need to give you another spelling lesson like in the other thread?




Edwird -> RE: The War on intelligence, facts, and science, marches on! (9/7/2017 5:15:21 PM)

A "spelling lesson" from you would be like when you turned on the kitchen gas and then lit a cigarette.

Have fun there, bro, but everybody is running away from this one.




Edwird -> RE: The War on intelligence, facts, and science, marches on! (9/7/2017 5:20:11 PM)

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Do we need to give you another spelling lesson like in the other thread?


"Hold my beer while I try to spell." "Watch this."

Have at it if you want. It's nice of you to make people laugh.




heavyblinker -> RE: The War on intelligence, facts, and science, marches on! (9/7/2017 9:16:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Oh well you want science v science eh,


I just want to be able to discuss the article.

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ok ponds fleischmann mit couldnt get cold fusion to occur till they were the laughing stock of literally every other country in the world, why got a clue? Because they were recieving gubmint funding for hot fusion, nice try though.


I get that you enjoy talking about this shit and think it proves that you are informed and intelligent, but it has zero bearing on the topic of this thread.
I think we can all assume that 'science' means good scientific behavior where every possible step is taken to ensure accurate results.




Real0ne -> RE: The War on intelligence, facts, and science, marches on! (9/7/2017 10:07:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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Oh well you want science v science eh,


I just want to be able to discuss the article.

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ok ponds fleischmann mit couldnt get cold fusion to occur till they were the laughing stock of literally every other country in the world, why got a clue? Because they were recieving gubmint funding for hot fusion, nice try though.


I get that you enjoy talking about this shit and think it proves that you are informed and intelligent, but it has zero bearing on the topic of this thread.
I think we can all assume that 'science' means good scientific behavior where every possible step is taken to ensure accurate results.



you whine piss and moan when I point out science is controlled by political and businees interests and piss your pants because it wasnt not science versus science so I give you an example where it is science versus science [FRAUD] by MIT and you piss your pants about that as well, you are a fucking basket case, you dont want anyone to counter the bullshit you posted, nothing more.




heavyblinker -> RE: The War on intelligence, facts, and science, marches on! (9/7/2017 10:20:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Oh well you want science v science eh,


I just want to be able to discuss the article.

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ok ponds fleischmann mit couldnt get cold fusion to occur till they were the laughing stock of literally every other country in the world, why got a clue? Because they were recieving gubmint funding for hot fusion, nice try though.


I get that you enjoy talking about this shit and think it proves that you are informed and intelligent, but it has zero bearing on the topic of this thread.
I think we can all assume that 'science' means good scientific behavior where every possible step is taken to ensure accurate results.



you whine piss and moan when I point out science is controlled by political and businees interests and piss your pants because it wasnt not science versus science so I give you an example where it is science versus science [FRAUD] by MIT and you piss your pants about that as well, you are a fucking basket case, you dont want anyone to counter the bullshit you posted, nothing more.



LOL... oh yeah, I am whining and pissing and moaning for sure. I mean, how could I not? Trying to explain basic concepts you to causes me to quiver and recoil in the shadow of your towering intellect.
So tell me, noble Infowarrior, is there anything in this world that isn't somehow part of a conspiracy?

I'm not going to deny that privately funded studies tend to skew towards the interests of the people/corporations funding them, but publicly funded science is as reliable as it gets.
Of course you will have egos clashing and people not following the proper code of conduct, but the MIT case has NOTHING to do with the government controlling the results and everything to do with human fallibility.

http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/0_0_0/cold_fusion_08

You are never going to be able to escape that, but sooner or later this shit gets exposed which is why you know about it now, and yet you probably still think that Dick Lindzen is totally legit.

Why I am even indulging you here is beyond me-- you'll just keep telling yourself I can't prove you wrong and that I'm whining and pissing and moaning and losing. If you're so insecure that you need to tell yourself this over and over, I doubt I will ever be able to reach you... not that it would even be worthwhile to do so.

Science... REAL science is NOT what you are describing here.
It just isn't.




Real0ne -> RE: The War on intelligence, facts, and science, marches on! (9/7/2017 10:27:58 PM)

sure it does dumshit, as a result of MITs failure to achive cold fusion the doe in concert with the patent office, refused to grant ponds flieschmann their patent, hence they had no choice but to release it the public domain.

We can talk about Byrzinskis cancer cure that the fda stole his fucking patents, and attempted to fraudulently conduct phase 3 testing, that one ended in front of congress.

ding ding ding, wake up time to smell the fucking roses clinker.

Thats right I am describing the results of defacto science, the after math from your War on intelligence, facts, and science

Peer review is not required for a patent, but it was for pf

You live in the fairy tale land of your mind and fake news/false reports.





LENR is absolutely nothing like either fission or fusion. Where fission and fusion are underpinned by strong nuclear force, LENR harnesses power from weak nuclear force — but capturing this energy is difficult. So far, NASA’s best effort involves a nickel lattice and hydrogen ions. The hydrogen ions are sucked into the nickel lattice, and then the lattice is oscillated at a very high frequency (between 5 and 30 terahertz). This oscillation excites the nickel’s electrons, which are forced into the hydrogen ions (protons), forming slow-moving neutrons. The nickel immediately absorbs these neutrons, making it unstable. To regain its stability, the nickel strips a neutron of its electron so that it becomes a proton — a reaction that turns the nickel into copper and creates a lot of energy in the process.

The key to LENR’s cleanliness and safety seems to be the slow-moving neutrons. Whereas fission creates fast neutrons (neutrons with energies over 1 megaelectron volt), LENR utilizes neutrons with an energy below 1eV — less than a millionth of the energy of a fast neutron. Whereas fast neutrons create one hell of a mess when they collide with the nuclei of other atoms, LENR’s slow neutrons don’t generate ionizing radiation or radioactive waste. It is because of this sedate gentility that LENR lends itself very well to vehicular and at-home nuclear reactors that provide both heat and electricity.

According to NASA, 1% of the world’s nickel production could meet the world’s energy needs, at a quarter of the cost of coal. NASA also mentions, almost as an aside, that the lattice could be formed of carbon instead of nickel, with the nuclear reaction turning carbon into nitrogen. “You’re not sequestering carbon, you’re totally removing carbon from the system,” says Joseph Zawodny, a NASA scientist involved with the work on LENR.

So why don’t we have LENR reactors yet? Just like fusion, it is proving hard to build a LENR system that produces more energy than the energy required to begin the reaction. In this case, NASA says that the 5-30THz frequency required to oscillate the nickel lattice is hard to efficiently produce. As we’ve reported over the last couple of years, though, strong advances are being made in the generation and control of terahertz radiation. Other labs outside of NASA are working on cold fusion and LENR, too: “Several labs have blown up studying LENR and windows have melted,” says NASA scientist Dennis Bushnell, proving that “when the conditions are ‘right’ prodigious amounts of energy can be produced and released.


and what do we get? Dopes like you posting science trash as fact.





heavyblinker -> RE: The War on intelligence, facts, and science, marches on! (9/7/2017 11:04:19 PM)

Stealing patents is part of the scientific method?

Nothing you are saying here actually connects to the statement you took so much exception to, what I am saying, or what the article was about.
And it is pretty obvious that it never will.

So whatever, enjoy your masturbatory reposting of quotes from other sites.
The thread is officially ruined.

Well done.




Real0ne -> RE: The War on intelligence, facts, and science, marches on! (9/7/2017 11:15:07 PM)

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Stealing patents is part of the scientific method?

Nothing you are saying here actually connects to the statement you took so much exception to, what I am saying, or what the article was about.
And it is pretty obvious that it never will.

So whatever, enjoy your masturbatory reposting of quotes from other sites.
The thread is officially ruined.

Well done.




Awe dont like getting your ass handed to you on a regular basis, you are a perfect example of the war against intelligence and science.

My point rebuts your point, since you are too stupid to see that perhaps you should find a different hobby.




heavyblinker -> RE: The War on intelligence, facts, and science, marches on! (9/7/2017 11:21:49 PM)

You don't even respond to anything I say, you just declare yourself the winner and gloat.
I don't even think that you realize that this is what you're doing.

Do you even know what the scientific method is?




heavyblinker -> RE: The War on intelligence, facts, and science, marches on! (9/7/2017 11:22:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
But a million of his brood were cloned as a batch on Sontar, so he must know his science, right?
[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7d/Sontaran_Stratagem.jpg[/img]


Hahahahahahahaha.




Real0ne -> RE: The War on intelligence, facts, and science, marches on! (9/7/2017 11:31:23 PM)

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You don't even respond to anything I say, you just declare yourself the winner and gloat.
I don't even think that you realize that this is what you're doing.

Do you even know what the scientific method is?


Do you have the comprehension of an amoeba?
I responded within the scope of The War on intelligence, facts, and science, marches on! that trumps your minutia

and if you bothered to read the fucking material:

As study after study has shown, the environmental, health, economic and social impacts of climate change on America will be nothing short of severe,


trump is merely getting rid of blood suckers, since the studies have shown time after time after time after time after time, get it yet, or do you think we need more time after time after time studies before you can figure it out?







heavyblinker -> RE: The War on intelligence, facts, and science, marches on! (9/8/2017 12:31:35 AM)

So you don't know?




Real0ne -> RE: The War on intelligence, facts, and science, marches on! (9/8/2017 12:48:37 AM)

still dodging the point by making shit up eh [8|]




heavyblinker -> RE: The War on intelligence, facts, and science, marches on! (9/8/2017 1:03:13 AM)

All you have to do is prove that every single study that affirms the human role in climate change violated the scientific method or standards of scientific conduct and that there is a massive conspiracy underway and I will agree with you.

But the idea is so absurd that I will never agree with you.

Bringing up a single study that wasn't done properly shouldn't change anyone's mind, as we are talking about thousands of studies.




Real0ne -> RE: The War on intelligence, facts, and science, marches on! (9/8/2017 1:18:41 AM)

you got one? lets see your model and underlying basis.




heavyblinker -> RE: The War on intelligence, facts, and science, marches on! (9/8/2017 3:07:34 AM)

FFS I don't have a model and neither do you.

Here:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00382-016-3079-6

But of course this is going to devolve into me posting something and you finding some RWNJ bullshit that mocks or otherwise tries to undermine it.

What you think about this topic doesn't matter at all... a handful of examples of technologies or medicines or whatever being undermined by capitalism or ego DOES NOT completely invalidate all science. It doesn't mean that climate science is corrupt. It doesn't mean that everyone in the world is out to get you.

You are predictably going to gravitate to whatever compliments your paranoid vision of the world, whatever allows you to keep believing that the neoliberals/bankers/elites/lizard people are so in control of every aspect of every person's entire existence that everything around us has been manipulated into serving their nefarious needs.

It's really sad.




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