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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/7/2017 5:06:23 AM

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/7/2017 3:02:10 PM

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Good people are tolerant of those with differing views.

Yeah, no. Fuck off Nazi apologist.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/7/2017 5:53:36 PM

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Good people are tolerant of those with differing views.

They weren't in 1939 - and thank God for that.

But what if a nazi saved a kitten stuck up in a tree? Lol.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/7/2017 7:29:32 PM

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Good people are tolerant of those with differing views.

They weren't in 1939 - and thank God for that.

But what if a nazi saved a kitten stuck up in a tree? Lol.

I HATE cats.

Saw the fuckin tree down.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/7/2017 11:49:50 PM

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from a post I had back in February:

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This definition reflects the fact that Nazis were, in fact, both fascists and of the political left. They were the “National Socialist German Workers Party,” which favored a heavy-handed government in business and the personal lives of its citizens.

The authoritarian government of Nazi Germany not only oppressed opposing political views and used violence to enforce it, they supported a powerful central government which heaped social benefits on its citizens. The second part of Nazism is the “socialist” part, which is very similar to what the modern American political left advocates. For all their bluster to the contrary, Hitler was a man of the extreme left, and so was fellow fascist and Axis Powers member Benito Mussolini.
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If I remember correctly every time you post that nonsense you ignore all evidence to the contrary and instead repost it again and again - but it is still nonsense.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/7/2017 11:52:33 PM

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I just read that Hitler disliked the term "Nazi' , because where he came from, it was a term used for a simple peasant..................rather like the Brits use the term 'Hayseed'

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/8/2017 12:48:06 AM

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I just read that Hitler disliked the term "Nazi' , because where he came from, it was a term used for a simple peasant..................rather like the Brits use the term 'Hayseed'

Nazi was Bavarian/Austrian short for Ignaz (Ignatius) which was a rather common name among Catholics and Jews alike.
It fell out of fashion after that.

Nazi for follower of the Hitler party was widespread before and after '33, too.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/8/2017 12:56:07 AM

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from a post I had back in February:

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This definition reflects the fact that Nazis were, in fact, both fascists and of the political left. They were the “National Socialist German Workers Party,” which favored a heavy-handed government in business and the personal lives of its citizens.

The authoritarian government of Nazi Germany not only oppressed opposing political views and used violence to enforce it, they supported a powerful central government which heaped social benefits on its citizens. The second part of Nazism is the “socialist” part, which is very similar to what the modern American political left advocates. For all their bluster to the contrary, Hitler was a man of the extreme left, and so was fellow fascist and Axis Powers member Benito Mussolini.
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If I remember correctly every time you post that nonsense you ignore all evidence to the contrary and instead repost it again and again - but it is still nonsense.

are you saying he exceeded powers he was given?

The "Enabling Act" passed with 441 votes in favor. Only the 94 representatives of Social Democrats voted against it.

As a result the bill was passed into law - and Adolf Hitler was one step closer to establishing a dictatorship. The law took effect the next day and immediately marginalized the Reichstag, many of whose members, whether in fear of repression and violent retribution or simply in blind faith that Hitler would hold to his promises, had voted yes.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/8/2017 12:58:07 AM

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I just read that Hitler disliked the term "Nazi' , because where he came from, it was a term used for a simple peasant..................rather like the Brits use the term 'Hayseed'

Nazi was Bavarian/Austrian short for Ignaz (Ignatius) which was a rather common name among Catholics and Jews alike.
It fell out of fashion after that.

Nazi for follower of the Hitler party was widespread before and after '33, too.

German, abbreviation representing the pronunciation of Nati- in Nationalsozialist ‘national socialist.’

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/8/2017 12:58:53 AM

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Good people are tolerant of those with differing views.

They weren't in 1939 - and thank God for that.

But what if a nazi saved a kitten stuck up in a tree? Lol.

Nitwit.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/8/2017 1:00:54 AM

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I just read that Hitler disliked the term "Nazi' , because where he came from, it was a term used for a simple peasant..................rather like the Brits use the term 'Hayseed'

Nazi was Bavarian/Austrian short for Ignaz (Ignatius) which was a rather common name among Catholics and Jews alike.
It fell out of fashion after that.

Nazi for follower of the Hitler party was widespread before and after '33, too.

Nah... 'Nazi' means typical ignorant shit-eating bleached blonde German bimbo

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/8/2017 1:04:05 AM

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So basically, the followers of the nazi party were being called hayseeds or yokels, blnymph ? That makes total sense I would say.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/8/2017 1:41:29 AM

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Just before the someone posts that the the term 'nazi' is an affectionate name for cute kittens, we should remind ourselves that nazi filth are directly responsible for the c55 million deaths that occurred in WWII, not to mention little trifles like the Holocaust - the world's first attempt at genocide carried out with industrial efficiency that is believed to have caused c6 million deaths on its own.

It is staggering to see some people here trying to whitewash today's versions of this scum. "Good people" nazis or neo-nazis certainly ain't and never were, never will be.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/8/2017 3:19:01 AM

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As shown above in many languages including German many words have more than one meaning. So had the term "Nazi." History and politics have changed that.

Spekuliert nicht über die Bedeutung von Wörtern in anderen Sprachen, wenn ihr die betreffenden Sprachen nicht beherrscht.

Btw: has anyone read "Homage to Catalonia"?

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/8/2017 3:23:47 AM

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Btw: has anyone read "Homage to Catalonia"?

Yes. I think I've read everything Orwell wrote, though admittedly a long time ago.

Oddly enough my strongest memory is of 'that pink sausage that tastes of soap and gives you diarrhoea'.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/8/2017 3:25:13 AM

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/8/2017 6:29:18 AM

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As shown above in many languages including German many words have more than one meaning. So had the term "Nazi." History and politics have changed that.

Spekuliert nicht über die Bedeutung von Wörtern in anderen Sprachen, wenn ihr die betreffenden Sprachen nicht beherrscht.

Btw: has anyone read "Homage to Catalonia"?

I mentioned that book back on page one in response to one of the initial stupid claims that Orwell wouldn't have anything to do with the antifa movement.
It's a bit depressing to think that people who haven't read (or likely even fucking heard of) Orwell's memoir of his time with antifas who were fighting Nazis during the Spanish civil war seriously think that they can argue that he'd be opposed to the contemporary antifa movement because they've seen Alex or Milo or some other apologist for the lunatic fringe of the right compare political correctness to Big Brother. Retarded or what?

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/8/2017 1:17:03 PM

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Sorry, but what has the Spanish Revolution got to do with the Nazi movement and those fighting the Nazi movement? The Spanish Revolution was a social revolution. Antifa is fighting for racial equality. I mean, I think we can safely say that Orwell would have been on the side of Sanders or Corbyn but he was also rather fond of Nazism. http://www.bbk.ac.uk/hiddenpersuaders/blog/orwell-post-truth-politics/

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/8/2017 2:09:09 PM

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Sorry, but what has the Spanish Revolution got to do with the Nazi movement and those fighting the Nazi movement? The Spanish Revolution was a social revolution. Antifa is fighting for racial equality. I mean, I think we can safely say that Orwell would have been on the side of Sanders or Corbyn but he was also rather fond of Nazism. http://www.bbk.ac.uk/hiddenpersuaders/blog/orwell-post-truth-politics/

I don't think that's what the article's saying. The author of it thinks that Orwell saw something in Hitler and Nazism that was appealing - something along the lines of 'the devil has all the best tunes - we should take a few of them' ... but, nonetheless, Orwell still wanted rid of Hitler:

"In a 1940 review of the English edition of Mein Kampf, Orwell underlined Hitler’s emotional appeal – drawing attention to a master of ‘post-truth’ politics before the term was even invented. “I should like to put it on record”, he wrote, “that I have never been able to dislike Hitler…I have reflected that I would certainly kill him if I could get within reach of him, but that I could feel no personal animosity. The fact is that there is something deeply appealing about him.”

Orwell was like a lot of others at the time: he was horrified at the mass support for Nazism - a mass support that went the opposite way, politically, to the way it was expected to go. One of the key things Left thinkers did back then - in a big hurry, too - was try to work out 'what those Nazis have got that we haven't got'.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/8/2017 3:24:47 PM

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Sorry, but what has the Spanish Revolution got to do with the Nazi movement and those fighting the Nazi movement? The Spanish Revolution was a social revolution. Antifa is fighting for racial equality. I mean, I think we can safely say that Orwell would have been on the side of Sanders or Corbyn but he was also rather fond of Nazism. http://www.bbk.ac.uk/hiddenpersuaders/blog/orwell-post-truth-politics/

I don't think that's what the article's saying. The author of it thinks that Orwell saw something in Hitler and Nazism that was appealing - something along the lines of 'the devil has all the best tunes - we should take a few of them' ... but, nonetheless, Orwell still wanted rid of Hitler:

"In a 1940 review of the English edition of Mein Kampf, Orwell underlined Hitler’s emotional appeal – drawing attention to a master of ‘post-truth’ politics before the term was even invented. “I should like to put it on record”, he wrote, “that I have never been able to dislike Hitler…I have reflected that I would certainly kill him if I could get within reach of him, but that I could feel no personal animosity. The fact is that there is something deeply appealing about him.”

Orwell was like a lot of others at the time: he was horrified at the mass support for Nazism - a mass support that went the opposite way, politically, to the way it was expected to go. One of the key things Left thinkers did back then - in a big hurry, too - was try to work out 'what those Nazis have got that we haven't got'.