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Gorean in real life? As if... - 9/14/2017 11:34:07 AM   
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Good morning to everyone, and tal on a case-by-case.

This question is addressed to really only two of the three possible demographics with respect to gorean lifestyles: those who live it, and those who aspire to. Any neither-dwellers please stay visual rather than digital.

A a gorean HOH, (or simply a member of such a household) do you find it at at useful to conduct yourself in your home AS IF the world outside of your home was a little more heavy metals and a little less rare earth? Obviously there are limits to how far this can extend past one's threshold without attracting unwanted attention, and the few places on earth where some slavery is normative don't otherwise make for good living (nor broadband access, so they're something of a black hole to this forum.

I don't mean something silly like "you'd better not run away or the local slave catchers will bring you back and charge me a fee!"

I'd love to read what you all do, if anything, in this regard. I'll contribute from my own experience afterwards, but as usual, I'm going against the Gracian principle, and letting my answers be corrupted rather than yours. Suffice to say that gor's influence on my household is I'd like to think much more in spirit than letter, as my knack for contraption would have yielded the blue death many moons ago.
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RE: Gorean in real life? As if... - 9/14/2017 3:41:10 PM   
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Heavy metals? Rare earth?

I've no idea what you're talking about.

But if you're asking what it looks like to walk into my Gorean home, the answer is: it looks like any other home.

And there are no sleen or tarns in the back yard. Though we do have a horse and a couple of rabbits.

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RE: Gorean in real life? As if... - 9/14/2017 3:58:43 PM   
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Heavy metals? Rare earth?

I've no idea what you're talking about.

But if you're asking what it looks like to walk into my Gorean home, the answer is: it looks like any other home.

And there are no sleen or tarns in the back yard. Though we do have a horse and a couple of rabbits.


I'm glad you said that because i had no idea wtf he was talking about either. He must be a player.

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RE: Gorean in real life? As if... - 9/14/2017 11:03:52 PM   
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Alright then, if the music is too much of a mystery, I'll spell it plain as day... and take the opportunity to fix my typographicals.


As a gorean Head of household, (or simply a member of such a household) do you find it at at useful to conduct yourself in your home AS IF the world outside of your home was literally Gor, of gold, steel and the bodies of women, etc...rather than Earth, the planet we live on? Obviously there are limits to how far this can extend past one's threshold without attracting unwanted attention, and the few places on earth where some slavery is normative ISIS, parts of the ME and Africa don't otherwise make for good living (nor broadband access, so they're something of a black hole to this forum.)

My question is: Do you employ the 'useful fiction' in any respect, that slavery may be normative outside of your own walls/fences?

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RE: Gorean in real life? As if... - 9/14/2017 11:26:35 PM   
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I'm glad you said that because i had no idea wtf he was talking about either. He must be a player.


A player? Perhaps, though I prefer true cinnamon to cassia, and true chess to Kaissa. I don't play at a high enough level to call myself a player.

A warrior? Well, since we don't have blue in my country, I wore green for the red and white, and in my current job our parade dress is rather crimson (but we insist on calling it scarlet).

Physician? Not an MD, but since my dog retired, my work has taken on a much more scientific flavour.

Builder? That's more my style overall. Regardless of where I've been or who I've been working for, I've never been able to resist the urge towards putting things together, and taking them apart.

Let's go with builder. Plaid and denim are my colours.

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RE: Gorean in real life? As if... - 9/15/2017 9:28:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ManOeuvre

Alright then, if the music is too much of a mystery, I'll spell it plain as day... and take the opportunity to fix my typographicals.


As a gorean Head of household, (or simply a member of such a household) do you find it at at useful to conduct yourself in your home AS IF the world outside of your home was literally Gor, of gold, steel and the bodies of women, etc...rather than Earth, the planet we live on? Obviously there are limits to how far this can extend past one's threshold without attracting unwanted attention, and the few places on earth where some slavery is normative ISIS, parts of the ME and Africa don't otherwise make for good living (nor broadband access, so they're something of a black hole to this forum.)

My question is: Do you employ the 'useful fiction' in any respect, that slavery may be normative outside of your own walls/fences?


If your slave has internalized that she is a slave vs. most everyone else in the world is a 'Free person', you don't need to do anything. When i was in that specific 'Gorean' mindset, i would go to the grocery store, and realize that the cashier checking me out was a Free person, and i was not. Perhaps you could point that out to your slave if she doesn't realize that yet.

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RE: Gorean in real life? As if... - 9/15/2017 10:02:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ManOeuvre

Alright then, if the music is too much of a mystery, I'll spell it plain as day... and take the opportunity to fix my typographicals.


As a gorean Head of household, (or simply a member of such a household) do you find it at at useful to conduct yourself in your home AS IF the world outside of your home was literally Gor, of gold, steel and the bodies of women, etc...rather than Earth, the planet we live on? Obviously there are limits to how far this can extend past one's threshold without attracting unwanted attention, and the few places on earth where some slavery is normative ISIS, parts of the ME and Africa don't otherwise make for good living (nor broadband access, so they're something of a black hole to this forum.)

My question is: Do you employ the 'useful fiction' in any respect, that slavery may be normative outside of your own walls/fences?

Well, obviously not.

Don't confuse the fiction with the message.

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RE: Gorean in real life? As if... - 9/16/2017 4:27:32 AM   
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There is lots of confusion between the culture of the books and living your life in the place you really live.

Lets put it this way. Whenever or almost whenever someone has come into my home, they see little unusual that could be called Gorean or even kinky. Geeky or nerdy, absolutely. With all the books and computers around....yep...both are true. If someone happens to be going barefoot at that moment, so what. Many people don't wear shoes in the house. Nothing worth more than a simple comment. That is the way most Goreans live. We don't push the Gorean trappings on other people. How we interact with others, that is something else entirely. Dealing and speaking honestly with others, once again, that may be a bit unusual for many, but it doesn't attract unwanted attention. The slave does what she is told either directly or previously and is pretty good natured about most of it. When there are problems, they get worked out. When there are medical conditions they get worked around. Hhhhmm...sounds pretty much like most people think ordinary life should work.

In the end, all of use are people living our lives as best we can and know how in whatever community we live in. It really is that simple. Most Goreans I know would rather be known by how we live and work with others than what strange stuff we have...and yes, I have some strange stuff. Look at some of the pictures from home and of my son on my FetLife page. <grins> That is the geeky/nerdy part of what we are and what we sometimes do.

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RE: Gorean in real life? As if... - 9/18/2017 9:31:51 AM   
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Thanks Malkinius, particularly for taking this thread seriously.

My question, which I seem to be having trouble articulating, is not concerned with the outside looking in. I don't have much in the way of stone furnishings, bronze age weaponry etc and I wouldn't expect my fellow goreans to either, unless it was a particular hobby of theirs. I'm asking if you apply/employ/encourage or mandate the useful fiction, generated entirely from yourself (or by committee with some partners of yours), that the world outside is not necessarily as it seems.

For an example totally unrelated to Gor, imagine if a diabetic chose to regard the entrance to the local doughnut shop as something that would harm him should he try to cross it.

Depending on one's spiritual proclivities, it can be possible, especially in a third person sense, to regard much of religiously mandated behaviour as such useful fictions, but I have no intention of arguing for or against their merits here.

Do you catch my music?

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RE: Gorean in real life? As if... - 9/18/2017 9:34:00 AM   
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Don't confuse the fiction with the message.


Advice as good as yours shouldn't be given away for free.

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RE: Gorean in real life? As if... - 9/18/2017 10:09:25 AM   
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Don't confuse the fiction with the message.


Advice as good as yours shouldn't be given away for free.

I gave you straight-forward, honest answers. You decided to snark away in response.

Another thing we do in my Gorean home is take responsibility for our own actions.


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RE: Gorean in real life? As if... - 9/18/2017 12:02:50 PM   
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You're absolutely right, MM, I did throw some shade your way.

I take responsibility for that. Though it wasn't my most skillful moment, I'm still happy to have it stand on this digital hansard for the next millennium.

Now, you have to be honest, at least with yourself. I suspect you're too smart to think that 10 words of condescension is a valuable contribution to a thread. If my suspicion is correct, please try again, as I'm eager to learn from my fellow fellows. If my suspicion busted, as in blackjack, then please don't take my last post as a jab, but as career advice.

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RE: Gorean in real life? As if... - 9/18/2017 12:10:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tamaka

If your slave has internalized that she is a slave vs. most everyone else in the world is a 'Free person', you don't need to do anything. When i was in that specific 'Gorean' mindset, i would go to the grocery store, and realize that the cashier checking me out was a Free person, and i was not. Perhaps you could point that out to your slave if she doesn't realize that yet.



Thank you, tamaka. I've employed something similar for that last number of years, but its mode is something of a mix: 80% exactly as you describe, and 20% the slight, yet reinforced sense of being a stranger in a strange land, as I imagine the Hutterites feel among the "English."

The extremely cosmopolitan nature of the city I live in makes the latter 20% a cinch, as it's not the least bit uncommon to hear a dozen different tongues in line at the grocer. Despite 2/3 of us being utterly native, to most we're just another set of strangers.

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RE: Gorean in real life? As if... - 9/18/2017 7:44:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ManOeuvre


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If your slave has internalized that she is a slave vs. most everyone else in the world is a 'Free person', you don't need to do anything. When i was in that specific 'Gorean' mindset, i would go to the grocery store, and realize that the cashier checking me out was a Free person, and i was not. Perhaps you could point that out to your slave if she doesn't realize that yet.



Thank you, tamaka. I've employed something similar for that last number of years, but its mode is something of a mix: 80% exactly as you describe, and 20% the slight, yet reinforced sense of being a stranger in a strange land, as I imagine the Hutterites feel among the "English."

The extremely cosmopolitan nature of the city I live in makes the latter 20% a cinch, as it's not the least bit uncommon to hear a dozen different tongues in line at the grocer. Despite 2/3 of us being utterly native, to most we're just another set of strangers.


I felt exactly like that when i moved from small town New England to Las Vegas. :)

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RE: Gorean in real life? As if... - 9/20/2017 5:55:17 AM   
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You're absolutely right, MM, I did throw some shade your way.

I take responsibility for that. Though it wasn't my most skillful moment, I'm still happy to have it stand on this digital hansard for the next millennium.

Now, you have to be honest, at least with yourself. I suspect you're too smart to think that 10 words of condescension is a valuable contribution to a thread. If my suspicion is correct, please try again, as I'm eager to learn from my fellow fellows. If my suspicion busted, as in blackjack, then please don't take my last post as a jab, but as career advice.

You're really not good at the communication thing.

I've already shared honestly. From there, I couldn't give fewer fucks about what you think.

Life's too short to waste it answering silly jabs from a stranger on the Internet.

We're done here.

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RE: Gorean in real life? As if... - 9/21/2017 5:59:51 AM   
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I'm glad you said that because i had no idea wtf he was talking about either. He must be a player.


A player? Perhaps, though I prefer true cinnamon to cassia, and true chess to Kaissa. I don't play at a high enough level to call myself a player.

A warrior? Well, since we don't have blue in my country, I wore green for the red and white, and in my current job our parade dress is rather crimson (but we insist on calling it scarlet).

Physician? Not an MD, but since my dog retired, my work has taken on a much more scientific flavour.

Builder? That's more my style overall. Regardless of where I've been or who I've been working for, I've never been able to resist the urge towards putting things together, and taking them apart.

Let's go with builder. Plaid and denim are my colours.


Well... you certainly have Norman's writing style down... purple and cringeworthy.

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RE: Gorean in real life? As if... - 9/22/2017 12:51:14 AM   
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I was hoping somebody would catch on!

Too, I couldn't muchly bear being obvious enough to crib his actual fraising.

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RE: Gorean in real life? As if... - 10/11/2017 12:34:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: ManOeuvre

Alright then, if the music is too much of a mystery, I'll spell it plain as day... and take the opportunity to fix my typographicals.


As a gorean Head of household, (or simply a member of such a household) do you find it at at useful to conduct yourself in your home AS IF the world outside of your home was literally Gor, of gold, steel and the bodies of women, etc...rather than Earth, the planet we live on? Obviously there are limits to how far this can extend past one's threshold without attracting unwanted attention, and the few places on earth where some slavery is normative ISIS, parts of the ME and Africa don't otherwise make for good living (nor broadband access, so they're something of a black hole to this forum.)

My question is: Do you employ the 'useful fiction' in any respect, that slavery may be normative outside of your own walls/fences?


If your slave has internalized that she is a slave vs. most everyone else in the world is a 'Free person', you don't need to do anything. When i was in that specific 'Gorean' mindset, i would go to the grocery store, and realize that the cashier checking me out was a Free person, and i was not. Perhaps you could point that out to your slave if she doesn't realize that yet.



Greetings tamaka.

How did you interact with the free during this time? How did you address that free person who checked you out? In other words, did you wear your collar on the outside or was it hidden in your thoughts and desires?



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RE: Gorean in real life? As if... - 10/11/2017 2:55:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LTE


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: ManOeuvre

Alright then, if the music is too much of a mystery, I'll spell it plain as day... and take the opportunity to fix my typographicals.


As a gorean Head of household, (or simply a member of such a household) do you find it at at useful to conduct yourself in your home AS IF the world outside of your home was literally Gor, of gold, steel and the bodies of women, etc...rather than Earth, the planet we live on? Obviously there are limits to how far this can extend past one's threshold without attracting unwanted attention, and the few places on earth where some slavery is normative ISIS, parts of the ME and Africa don't otherwise make for good living (nor broadband access, so they're something of a black hole to this forum.)

My question is: Do you employ the 'useful fiction' in any respect, that slavery may be normative outside of your own walls/fences?


If your slave has internalized that she is a slave vs. most everyone else in the world is a 'Free person', you don't need to do anything. When i was in that specific 'Gorean' mindset, i would go to the grocery store, and realize that the cashier checking me out was a Free person, and i was not. Perhaps you could point that out to your slave if she doesn't realize that yet.



Greetings tamaka.

How did you interact with the free during this time? How did you address that free person who checked you out? In other words, did you wear your collar on the outside or was it hidden in your thoughts and desires?





Greetings.

Most of my experience with others outside of the household was more of an internal 'awareness' than any sort of physical manifestation (i didn't kneel or anything outside of the home). But i did call the 'free' ma'am or sir, including people like cashiers etc. It wasn't anything i was used to, being from the North, but it was pretty easy to adapt to, especially since my Master lived in the South. I also would do things like bag my own groceries (if there wasn't a bagger). I might still do that nowadays but back then, if i helped the cashier bag the groceries i did it because i felt that was my place to do so vs. thinking i was doing the cashier a favor.


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RE: Gorean in real life? As if... - 10/11/2017 7:25:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LTE


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: ManOeuvre

Alright then, if the music is too much of a mystery, I'll spell it plain as day... and take the opportunity to fix my typographicals.


As a gorean Head of household, (or simply a member of such a household) do you find it at at useful to conduct yourself in your home AS IF the world outside of your home was literally Gor, of gold, steel and the bodies of women, etc...rather than Earth, the planet we live on? Obviously there are limits to how far this can extend past one's threshold without attracting unwanted attention, and the few places on earth where some slavery is normative ISIS, parts of the ME and Africa don't otherwise make for good living (nor broadband access, so they're something of a black hole to this forum.)

My question is: Do you employ the 'useful fiction' in any respect, that slavery may be normative outside of your own walls/fences?


If your slave has internalized that she is a slave vs. most everyone else in the world is a 'Free person', you don't need to do anything. When i was in that specific 'Gorean' mindset, i would go to the grocery store, and realize that the cashier checking me out was a Free person, and i was not. Perhaps you could point that out to your slave if she doesn't realize that yet.



Greetings tamaka.

How did you interact with the free during this time? How did you address that free person who checked you out? In other words, did you wear your collar on the outside or was it hidden in your thoughts and desires?





Greetings.

Most of my experience with others outside of the household was more of an internal 'awareness' than any sort of physical manifestation (i didn't kneel or anything outside of the home). But i did call the 'free' ma'am or sir, including people like cashiers etc. It wasn't anything i was used to, being from the North, but it was pretty easy to adapt to, especially since my Master lived in the South. I also would do things like bag my own groceries (if there wasn't a bagger). I might still do that nowadays but back then, if i helped the cashier bag the groceries i did it because i felt that was my place to do so vs. thinking i was doing the cashier a favor.



I suspect it is hard to treat everyone you meet on the street as if they are your better unless you do not think of your chosen and natural direction as a ranking but instead an opportunity. I think one is negative and the other is positive, one destroys you and the other uplifts you even is one might think of you as submissive or even "slave", "slave" to your natural direction only in a manner that you feel is best for you in achieving happiness.

How well did/does this very long distance relationship work out for you and the other side of this equation?

I wish you well.


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