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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/19/2017 6:45:04 PM   
heavyblinker


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I realize now that before I was being nice to you because I actually pictured you being hot...
That's known as being pathetic. It's really a kind of psychological illness from which submissive men suffer.


Oh hahahahahahaha... yes being pathetic is a mental illness.
You're so very articulate, smart guy.

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Fawning over attractive women and dismissing overweight or ugly women on the basis of their looks also makes you look as shallow as a puddle. Kind of ironic, considering the feminists would have a fucking field day with this sort of behaviour.


Fuckface, I said that looks are merely part of an overall package.
So what, I'm supposed to pretend they don't exist?

For example, you are basically a fucking disease (somewhere between cancer, anhedonia and years-long depression), so I have dismissed you as only being worth my time when I feel like really laying into someone who definitely has it coming.
But if you were good-looking, then that could potentially be a redeeming quality for someone out there. I can't imagine a scenario where someone would be able to overlook your obvious shittiness for ANY reason, but that's just me.

There are plenty of people on this board who have redeeming qualities beyond the way they look-- tamaka is not one of them.
That isn't to say I know what they look like, only that there is already enough there for me to respect or like them.

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It's interesting to note that feminists have started to wake up to the pathetic, weak hypocrisy of the male feminist: See http://www.thecrimson.com/column/femme-fatale/article/2017/3/23/hu-beware-male-feminist/ and https://www.buzzfeed.com/lorynbrantz/17-of-the-worst-types-of-male-feminists and http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/08/reasons-to-beware-feminist-men/
(Of course, this could be more a sign of feminism's inherent toxicity resulting in them inevitably turning on their male allies, than anything else - but it's amusing as hell to consider they may just have wised up to the real reason that "male feminists" exist.)


HAHAHAHAHA.... you even feel the need to bring your hatred of feminism into a flame war.
Talk about pathetic!

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Fascinating. You really are struggling to remain in contact with reality. You think someone who disagrees with you on a message-board is somehow worse than someone who advocates politically motivated murder.


I don't think that because you disagree with me, I think that because of the content and tone of your posts.

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/19/2017 6:46:21 PM   
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No you just creep me out... as in, when I read your bullshit, it makes me wonder what sorts of horrible things you could be capable of.


If you truly believe that then it would seem to be prudent not to poke the beast with the stick of argument.


Probably true.
I'm actually already pretty embarrassed by how horrible this thread is, but it's not like the discussion is interesting so flame wars are pretty much unavoidable.

Anyways, onto the blocklist he goes.

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/19/2017 6:58:56 PM   
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No you just creep me out... as in, when I read your bullshit, it makes me wonder what sorts of horrible things you could be capable of.


If you truly believe that then it would seem to be prudent not to poke the beast with the stick of argument.


Probably true.
I'm actually already pretty embarrassed by how horrible this thread is, but it's not like the discussion is interesting so flame wars are pretty much unavoidable.

Anyways, onto the blocklist he goes.


Lucky him... could you block me too please.


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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/19/2017 7:06:04 PM   
heavyblinker


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
No you just creep me out... as in, when I read your bullshit, it makes me wonder what sorts of horrible things you could be capable of.


If you truly believe that then it would seem to be prudent not to poke the beast with the stick of argument.


Probably true.
I'm actually already pretty embarrassed by how horrible this thread is, but it's not like the discussion is interesting so flame wars are pretty much unavoidable.

Anyways, onto the blocklist he goes.


Lucky him... could you block me too please.


Yes.
Now if only I could block the sight of your photo from my memory.


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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/19/2017 7:09:18 PM   
tamaka


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
No you just creep me out... as in, when I read your bullshit, it makes me wonder what sorts of horrible things you could be capable of.


If you truly believe that then it would seem to be prudent not to poke the beast with the stick of argument.


Probably true.
I'm actually already pretty embarrassed by how horrible this thread is, but it's not like the discussion is interesting so flame wars are pretty much unavoidable.

Anyways, onto the blocklist he goes.


Lucky him... could you block me too please.


Yes.
Now if only I could block the sight of your photo from my memory.




Great. I expect to never hear a reply from you to me again.

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/19/2017 7:12:51 PM   
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Great. I expect to never hear a reply from you to me again.



You can ensure it never happens by putting him on hide, quit fucking whining and just do it
bloody drama llamas

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/19/2017 7:14:06 PM   
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Great. I expect to never hear a reply from you to me again.



You can ensure it never happens by putting him on hide, quit fucking whining and just do it
bloody drama llamas


Try to mind your own fucking business for once in your life.

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/19/2017 7:49:57 PM   
Lucylastic


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If everyone "minded their own business" nobody would post.A forum doesnt work like that,
suffer sugar shorts. Or you could actually make a point, instead of getting blue balls.

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/19/2017 7:52:20 PM   
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Thats the problem, you can make a difference to how people interact with you, you choose not to, and then fucking whinge about it, its down to you. Not me
If everyone "minded their own business" nobody would post.A forum doesnt work like that,
suffer sugar shorts. Or you could actually make a point, instead of getting blue balls.


I handled this thread objectively. He went bananas... not my problem.

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/19/2017 7:53:19 PM   
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Thats the problem, you can make a difference to how people interact with you, you choose not to, and then fucking whinge about it, its down to you. Not me
If everyone "minded their own business" nobody would post.A forum doesnt work like that,
suffer sugar shorts. Or you could actually make a point, instead of getting blue balls.


I would enjoy the forum more if there were more of the threads which actually seem pretty decent until one of the RWNJs shows up and ruins it with 'But Hillary', 'muh freedom', strawmen, 'the problem with libruls is...', off-topic lunacy, etc.

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/20/2017 12:37:52 AM   
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Maybe not hate, but intolerance that is rooted in ignorance is objectively bad for society.
And placing free speech over anti-discrimination empowers those who DO discriminate based on hate.


It also takes away power of the state to compel one to act in a given way.

I agree that intolerance, iff rooted in ignorance is sometimes objectively bad for society. Using the power of the state to compel someone to violate their principles is one hell of a heavy hand, one I'd be hesitant to use myself except under the most dire circumstances, and anything involving a cake doesn't qualify in my book.

There is no such thing as anti-discrimination. There is only the power to force people to discriminate in a direction they're otherwise disinclined to, and at the barrel of a gun, no less.

First they came for the christian bakers, and I said nothing, because I'm neither christian nor a baker....

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/20/2017 2:50:27 AM   
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Maybe not hate, but intolerance that is rooted in ignorance is objectively bad for society.
And placing free speech over anti-discrimination empowers those who DO discriminate based on hate.


It also takes away power of the state to compel one to act in a given way.

I agree that intolerance, iff rooted in ignorance is sometimes objectively bad for society. Using the power of the state to compel someone to violate their principles is one hell of a heavy hand, one I'd be hesitant to use myself except under the most dire circumstances, and anything involving a cake doesn't qualify in my book.

There is no such thing as anti-discrimination. There is only the power to force people to discriminate in a direction they're otherwise disinclined to, and at the barrel of a gun, no less.

First they came for the christian bakers, and I said nothing, because I'm neither christian nor a baker....


The state isn't forcing him to bake the cake.
He is free to refuse to do so.

What he can't do is run a business that openly practices discrimination.
So if his beliefs mean that much to him, he should simply accept that he isn't suited to running a business in this society.

It's really amazing how the right has turned this issue completely around as if the baker is the victim here.

So okay... here's a question-- why can't businesses refuse to serve black people? If I run a restaurant and I see a black person, using your logic, I should be able to tell him to leave, right? There are plenty of restaurants in town... he can go to one of those. So everyone wins-- he gets to eat somewhere that accepts his kind of people, and I get to keep my fucked up beliefs.

I can even dress it up in religion if you want... black people are the sons of Ham, therefore unclean. It's in the Bible, don't you know?

Now defend my right to refuse service to black people... otherwise we'll end up with tyranny.

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/20/2017 4:23:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker


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ORIGINAL: tamaka
Not agreeing with you and not supporting your actions because i don't agree with them is not hate. Parents do it to their children all of the time.


Maybe not hate, but intolerance that is rooted in ignorance is objectively bad for society.
And placing free speech over anti-discrimination empowers those who DO discriminate based on hate.


They are not ignorant at all. The problem with your kind is that you call people ignorant when they choose not to agree with you and your perspective. Now THAT is ignorant.


They assume they are privy to special truths about the universe that override science, individuality, tolerance and basic decency.
They ARE ignorant.
No, ignorance is thinking that tolerating someone's beliefs means you have to accept or embrace their beliefs. If it did, then you really aren't very tolerant by that description, are you?


Nobody is obligated to tolerate intolerance.


Given you have made up your own definition of tolerance, I'm pretty sure your definition of intolerance is what you want it to be. I'm also fairly certain that...surprise!...it only applies to anyone to the right of you.

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/20/2017 5:43:33 AM   
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I can even dress it up in religion if you want... black people are the sons of Ham, therefore unclean. It's in the Bible, don't you know?


sorry blinker, the bible neither teaches that black people are the sons of Ham, or that even if they were, they are therefore "unclean" or even that people who are "unclean" are forever separated from society with no recourse.

no doubt you can find some liberal Christian bashing website that says otherwise, but no, its not "in the bible" and so such discrimination cannot be "dressed up in religion."

maybe i'll search for a townhall article that agrees with me? would that be good?

oh and also---smug pompous ass---you don't get to call something "ignorance" or a person "ignorant" when the whole basis for your judgment is simply that they hold a social/political/religious worldview that differs from yours.

how convenient though right---you get to diagnose the disease and then prescribe the cure.

and given that, how utterly ironic you use the word "tyranny."




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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/20/2017 6:27:53 AM   
heavyblinker


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I can even dress it up in religion if you want... black people are the sons of Ham, therefore unclean. It's in the Bible, don't you know?


sorry blinker, the bible neither teaches that black people are the sons of Ham, or that even if they were, they are therefore "unclean" or even that people who are "unclean" are forever separated from society with no recourse.


http://biblehub.com/topical/h/ham.htm

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The name given, in Psalm 105:23, 17; Psalm 106:22 (compare 78:51), to Egypt as a descendant of Ham, son of Noah. As Shem means "dusky," or the like, and Japheth "fair," it has been supposed that Ham meant, as is not improbable, "black." This is supported by the evidence of Hebrew and Arabic, in which the word chamam means "to be hot" and "to be black," the latter signification being derived from the former.


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1. Burnt, swarthy, black, A son of Noah, Genesis 5:32 7:13 9:18 10:1. The impiety revealed in his conduct towards his father, drew upon him, or rather, according to the Bible statement, on his son Canaan, a prophetic malediction, Genesis 9:20-27. Ham was the father of Cush, Mizraim, Phut, and Canaan, that is, the ancestor of the Canaanites, Southern Arabians, Ethiopians, Egyptians, and the Africans in general, Genesis 10:6-20.


So they are all a cursed people, apparently.

Just because you don't want to believe it, it didn't stop other people from using it to justify bigotry.
Of course since you will simply dismiss whatever you don't want to believe, there is little point in bringing this up.

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no doubt you can find some liberal Christian bashing website that says otherwise, but no, its not "in the bible" and so such discrimination cannot be "dressed up in religion."


It doesn't matter that you don't want to hear it, it happened.
And this is no different.

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maybe i'll search for a townhall article that agrees with me? would that be good?

oh and also---smug pompous ass---you don't get to call something "ignorance" or a person "ignorant" when the whole basis for your judgment is simply that they hold a social/political/religious worldview that differs from yours.


If you proceed based on belief and not knowledge, it can be said that you are proceeding from ignorance.
I know this is wayyy too complex for you to understand (despite not even being that complex), but I obviously don't know what God's will is either, so that makes me ignorant too.

The difference is I am honest about it, and don't judge entire groups of people based only on what I believe to be true.

On the other hand, I can judge you based on the things you say, because I know you actually say them... and they are easily identified as stupidity.
I know that this has to be explained to you, even though attempting to do so is pointless.

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how convenient though right---you get to diagnose the disease and then prescribe the cure.


I guess.

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/20/2017 6:29:52 AM   
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and given that, how utterly ironic you use the word "tyranny."


It was ironic.
I was mocking people like you.

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/20/2017 12:27:18 PM   
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It is interesting to observe, how people who say that there is no way to prove there is a God or there is no way we can know God's will, go absolutely nuts when you suggest they try reading the Bible and seeking God's will. It's like pouring holy water on a demon. Interesting.

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/20/2017 2:17:35 PM   
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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/20/2017 3:22:08 PM   
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You are supposing that those people who are atheistic or agnostic in their beliefs havent already read the good book...and that is Exactly WHY they dont believe?


Maybe.

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/20/2017 3:31:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		2 Timothy 3:12 ESV / 708 helpful votes

Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted,

John 15:18 ESV / 521 helpful votes

“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you.

Matthew 5:44 ESV / 510 helpful votes

But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

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Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you.

1 Peter 3:17 ESV / 376 helpful votes

For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God's will, than for doing evil.

1 Peter 3:14 ESV / 288 helpful votes

But even if you should suffer for righteousness' sake, you will be blessed. Have no fear of them, nor be troubled,

Matthew 5:10 ESV / 270 helpful votes

“Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Irony. Fighting the persecution Christ seems to think is good for the spirit.

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