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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/17/2017 2:54:10 PM   
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I "taunt" people with townhall blinker, because a half dozen or so of you comrades bitch about the site. had you kept your yaps shut about it, I probably wouldn't. although, there is a very high degree to where its like holy water to a vampire and I like it very much because of that.

meanwhile, I originally posted this to explain the contrasting difference between the lefts response to islam and its response to Christianity. I edited it a little to be more pertinent here, and hopefully it'll just speak to why the leftists hate the church. looking right at you blinker.

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As secular, liberalism understood itself as embracing this world as the highest good, advocating a self-conscious return to ancient pagan this-worldliness. But this embrace took place within a Christianized culture. Consequently liberalism tended to define itself directly against that which it was (in its own particular historical context) rejecting.

Modern liberalism thereby developed with a deep antagonism toward Christianity, rather than religion in general. It was culturally powerful Christianity that stood in the way of liberal secular progress in the West—not Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism, Druidism, etc.

And so, radical Enlightenment thinkers like Voltaire rallied his fellow secular soldiers with what would become the battle cry of the eighteenth-century Enlightenment: écrasez l’infâme, “destroy the infamous thing.” It was a cry directed, not against religion in general, but (as historian Peter Gay rightly notes) “against Christianity itself, against Christian dogma in all its forms, Christian institutions, Christian ethics, and the Christian view of man.”

Liberals therefore tended to approve of anything but Christianity. Deism was fine, or even pantheism. The eminent liberal Rousseau praised Islam and declared Christianity incompatible with good government. Hinduism and Buddhism were exotic and tantalizing among the edge-cutting intelligentsia of the 19th century. Christianity, by contrast, was the religion against which actual liberal progress had to be made.

So, other religions were whitewashed even while Christianity was continually tarred. The tarring was part of the liberal strategy aimed at unseating Christianity from its privileged cultural-legal-moral position in the West. The whitewashing of other religions was part of the strategy too, since elevating them helped deflate the privileged status of Christianity.

And so, for liberalism, nothing could be as bad as Christianity. If something goes wrong, blame Christianity first and all of Western culture that is based upon it.

This view remains integral to liberalism today, and it affects how liberals treat Islam.

That’s why liberals are disposed to interpret the Crusades as the result of Christian aggression, rather than, as it actually was, a response to Islamic aggression. That’s why Christian organizations are regularly maltreated on our liberal college campuses while Islamic student organizations and needs are graciously met. And the liberal media—ever wonder why you didn’t hear last February of the imam of the Arlington, VA mosque calling for Muslims to wage war against the enemies of Allah? Nor should we wonder why, for liberals, contemporary jihadist movements in Islam must be seen as justified reactions to Western policies—chickens coming home to roost. Or when a bomb goes off, that’s why a liberal must hope that it was perpetrated by some fundamentalist patriotic Christian group.


http://humanevents.com/2013/04/25/liberalism-and-islam/

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/17/2017 2:55:15 PM   
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You mount an arse blootering defence patient 3.

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/17/2017 3:02:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

I "taunt" people with townhall blinker, because a half dozen or so of you comrades bitch about the site. had you kept your yaps shut about it, I probably wouldn't. although, there is a very high degree to where its like holy water to a vampire and I like it very much because of that.

meanwhile, I originally posted this to explain the contrasting difference between the lefts response to islam and its response to Christianity. I edited it a little to be more pertinent here, and hopefully it'll just speak to why the leftists hate the church. looking right at you blinker.

quote:

As secular, liberalism understood itself as embracing this world as the highest good, advocating a self-conscious return to ancient pagan this-worldliness. But this embrace took place within a Christianized culture. Consequently liberalism tended to define itself directly against that which it was (in its own particular historical context) rejecting.

Modern liberalism thereby developed with a deep antagonism toward Christianity, rather than religion in general. It was culturally powerful Christianity that stood in the way of liberal secular progress in the West—not Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism, Druidism, etc.

And so, radical Enlightenment thinkers like Voltaire rallied his fellow secular soldiers with what would become the battle cry of the eighteenth-century Enlightenment: écrasez l’infâme, “destroy the infamous thing.” It was a cry directed, not against religion in general, but (as historian Peter Gay rightly notes) “against Christianity itself, against Christian dogma in all its forms, Christian institutions, Christian ethics, and the Christian view of man.”

Liberals therefore tended to approve of anything but Christianity. Deism was fine, or even pantheism. The eminent liberal Rousseau praised Islam and declared Christianity incompatible with good government. Hinduism and Buddhism were exotic and tantalizing among the edge-cutting intelligentsia of the 19th century. Christianity, by contrast, was the religion against which actual liberal progress had to be made.

So, other religions were whitewashed even while Christianity was continually tarred. The tarring was part of the liberal strategy aimed at unseating Christianity from its privileged cultural-legal-moral position in the West. The whitewashing of other religions was part of the strategy too, since elevating them helped deflate the privileged status of Christianity.

And so, for liberalism, nothing could be as bad as Christianity. If something goes wrong, blame Christianity first and all of Western culture that is based upon it.

This view remains integral to liberalism today, and it affects how liberals treat Islam.

That’s why liberals are disposed to interpret the Crusades as the result of Christian aggression, rather than, as it actually was, a response to Islamic aggression. That’s why Christian organizations are regularly maltreated on our liberal college campuses while Islamic student organizations and needs are graciously met. And the liberal media—ever wonder why you didn’t hear last February of the imam of the Arlington, VA mosque calling for Muslims to wage war against the enemies of Allah? Nor should we wonder why, for liberals, contemporary jihadist movements in Islam must be seen as justified reactions to Western policies—chickens coming home to roost. Or when a bomb goes off, that’s why a liberal must hope that it was perpetrated by some fundamentalist patriotic Christian group.


http://humanevents.com/2013/04/25/liberalism-and-islam/


The thing I find interesting about this is how inculcated with this some of the supposedly free thinkers are. They do have blinkers on while they quaff at the kool aid trough and shout how stupid everyone else is for not thinking like them.

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/17/2017 3:07:30 PM   
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What is the religious penalty of taking part in such an event? A Lord's Prayer? Lighting a candle? Eighteen Hail Marys?

Would refusing to bake the cake not also have risks of violating Christian beliefs, as well as State law? "Love thy neighbor" and such?

And if there is no right answer, aren't Christians taught to pray for forgiveness on a daily basis anyway?

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/17/2017 3:08:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

What point are you trying to make? Obey the law? We live in a democratic society where we have a process to question and try to change the law if we want to.



you need to upgrade your understanding of law, we live in a republic with a democratic 'PARLIAMENT', the only thing democratic you get out of it is permission to vote in your new overlord groomed overlords.

you have a totally disconnected supreme court that governs the law you live under isnt fuckall any say you have in that what so ever.

you were programmed to believe you live in a democracy Neo, welcome to the desert of the real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgBViHeiSKM


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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/17/2017 3:11:37 PM   
JVoV


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Bounty, if you're going to use TownHall, maybe try making it relevant. Northern Ireland isn't bound by our Constitution. And an actor's opinion isn't a court decision.

Although I will gladly accept the words of Patrick Stewart as law in most cases.

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/17/2017 3:13:11 PM   
tamaka


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

What point are you trying to make? Obey the law? We live in a democratic society where we have a process to question and try to change the law if we want to.



you need to upgrade your understanding of law, we live in a republic with a democratic 'PARLIAMENT', the only thing democratic you get out of it is permission to vote in your new overlord groomed overlords.

you have a totally disconnected supreme court that governs the law you live under isnt fuckall any say you have in that what so ever.

you were programmed to believe you live in a democracy Neo, welcome to the desert of the real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgBViHeiSKM



I live in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/17/2017 3:16:22 PM   
JVoV


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The first state to legalize gay marriage, thanks to the judiciary? Irony.

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/17/2017 3:16:26 PM   
Real0ne


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quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

What is the religious penalty of taking part in such an event? A Lord's Prayer? Lighting a candle? Eighteen Hail Marys?

Would refusing to bake the cake not also have risks of violating Christian beliefs, as well as State law? "Love thy neighbor" and such?

And if there is no right answer, aren't Christians taught to pray for forgiveness on a daily basis anyway?



LOL so you think prayer is a ticket to a free lunch? Whats your point anyway? That ones morals dont count for anything? That Jews should be baking swastika bagels?

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/17/2017 3:18:20 PM   
Real0ne


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quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

What point are you trying to make? Obey the law? We live in a democratic society where we have a process to question and try to change the law if we want to.



you need to upgrade your understanding of law, we live in a republic with a democratic 'PARLIAMENT', the only thing democratic you get out of it is permission to vote in your new overlord groomed overlords.

you have a totally disconnected supreme court that governs the law you live under isnt fuckall any say you have in that what so ever.

you were programmed to believe you live in a democracy Neo, welcome to the desert of the real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgBViHeiSKM



I live in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.




yeh all land chartered to brits, like the other 12


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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/17/2017 3:18:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JVoV

The first state to legalize gay marriage, thanks to the judiciary? Irony.


Look you moron. I am debating a side not defending my pov.

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/17/2017 3:19:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

The first state to legalize gay marriage, thanks to the judiciary? Irony.



well if the US was not an established religion it would never have been outlawed in the first place ever think about that?

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/17/2017 3:20:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JVoV

What is the religious penalty of taking part in such an event? A Lord's Prayer? Lighting a candle? Eighteen Hail Marys?

Would refusing to bake the cake not also have risks of violating Christian beliefs, as well as State law? "Love thy neighbor" and such?

And if there is no right answer, aren't Christians taught to pray for forgiveness on a daily basis anyway?


11Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

From Ephesians.

And your arguments are getting absurd. Just fyi.

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/17/2017 3:22:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bounty44

I "taunt" people with townhall blinker, because a half dozen or so of you comrades bitch about the site. had you kept your yaps shut about it, I probably wouldn't. although, there is a very high degree to where its like holy water to a vampire and I like it very much because of that.




Roflmao

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/17/2017 3:22:58 PM   
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If it's about a free lunch, then go to the wedding reception.

I wouldn't expect Jews to put Swastikas on anything. Buddhists, Hindus, and Jainists perhaps. Jews should certainly respect the rights of traditional religious imagery of other religions, and understand the usage.

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/17/2017 3:25:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

If it's about a free lunch, then go to the wedding reception.

I wouldn't expect Jews to put Swastikas on anything. Buddhists, Hindus, and Jainists perhaps. Jews should certainly respect the rights of traditional religious imagery of other religions, and understand the usage.



then why should it be any different for christains baking cakes or servicing gays for anything but an emergency or something life threatening?


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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/17/2017 3:31:09 PM   
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You are a fucking idiot, but not without hope.

If someone was programmed how would they know? answer me that gobshite

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/17/2017 3:39:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ShadesDecadent


If someone was programmed how would they know? answer me that gobshite




r1 enters into evidence above post as exihibit 1

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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/17/2017 3:48:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

The first state to legalize gay marriage, thanks to the judiciary? Irony.



well if the US was not an established religion it would never have been outlawed in the first place ever think about that?


I don't wholly disagree. The religious beliefs of our lawmakers have colored the laws of the land since the beginning, and I don't think that's been entirely a bad thing, but our Judicial system is in place for balance.

Richard Nixon passed one of the absolute best and worst federal laws against child abuse and neglect we've ever had. Because two of his assistants were Christian Scientists, it has exemptions for religious beliefs, and States were required to adopt those exemptions themselves, to receive federal funding.

I believe that part of the law is likely unconstitutional, and endangers children because of their parents'
supposed religious beliefs. Any belief that undermines the sanctity of life has no place in the modern world.


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RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? - 9/17/2017 3:52:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JVoV

What is the religious penalty of taking part in such an event? A Lord's Prayer? Lighting a candle? Eighteen Hail Marys?

Would refusing to bake the cake not also have risks of violating Christian beliefs, as well as State law? "Love thy neighbor" and such?

And if there is no right answer, aren't Christians taught to pray for forgiveness on a daily basis anyway?

They are also taught not to think that asking forgiveness when you deliberately decide to consistently
are going to violate you believes is hypocritical.

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