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Well what I see in the country and even a bit here, is simply more faction and the birth pangs of extreme nationalism.
When any opposition is no longer loyal as often described, when opposition is denigrated, called traitors and told to leave the country for exercising their constitutional rights, the protection of which our 'greatest generation' fought and died for, it is probably the beginning of the end of civil society and maybe even this country as we know it now.
Trump, is the new wedge between himself and 'his kind' and those that 'aren't like him' and he's taking a few million of the new partisan butthurt with him.

It looks like Trump is trying to start a race war. If this were not about race as he claims he would have felt comfortable making his remarks in a black inner city in the North. But he dare not. Now he is calling for a boycott of the league. Not much harm to the owners' bottom line there, is there? And they donated heavily for his election. Be careful what you wish for. It may bite you in the ass.

Maybe you didn't know it, but there are more than just black players that have knelt....

Was that true in previous weekends when Kaep was protesting the actions of white cops? I don't think so.

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Donald Trump told an Alabama crowd that they should boycott professional football teams whose players refuse to stand for the National Anthem


'Wouldn't you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, "Get that son of a bitch off the field right now!"?' Trump asked

Trump added his trademarked "YOU'RE FIRED!" call.

Quarterback Colin Kaepernick started the take-a-knee protest trend a year ago when he was an injured backup player for the San Francisco 49ers
He said at the time that he was taking a position against 'a country that oppresses black people and people of color'
Kaepernick has been unable to find a team that will sign him this year


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Our President has nothing much more to do with his time than to stir up a racial brawl. And a brawl over patriotism. And a brawl over the First Amendment.

He also withdrew the White House invitation to Steph Curry of the NBA Warriors (after Steph said he didn't want to go) provoking LeBron James to call the President a "Bum"

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Trump seems to be using tactics that Goering outlined at The Nurenberg Trials as very successful and I quote :

"Why, of course the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war, when the best he can hope for is to come back to his farm in one piece........But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

I can think of a number of countries that fir this bill but Trump's America is the first that springs to mind; followed by my country. May the gods help us.

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it is racist to think not showing the proper respect to our flag and national anthem wrong.

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FR,

Former Members of the military seem to be divided on the issue. Some are deeply offended by the players lack of respect for the flag, the country it stands for, and for the military that defends both. Some don't have a problem with the kneeling, not seeing the disrespect the other group sees.

Which group is right? Which is wrong? Does it matter that the players aren't intending to disrespect the flag, the country or the military? Or, does it only matter that some are feeling disrespected?

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the "right or wrong" from my perspective is the use of the national anthem as a platform for protest.

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Out of the 965 people killed by the police in 2015 (as of Dec. 24), the Post reported (on Dec. 26) that "less than 4 percent" involved an unarmed black man and a white cop, the fact pattern most commonly referred to by anti-police activists like Black Lives Matter. Last year, The Washington Post put the number of unarmed black men killed by the police at 17, less than the number of blacks likely struck by lightning. Twenty-two unarmed whites were killed by the police. Any death that results from police misconduct is one death too many, but the point is that police killing of a suspect is rare, no matter the race of the suspect or the cop. And a police shooting of an unarmed black male is still more rare…

Recently, in Illinois, in a kids' 8-and-under football league, the entire team, which appeared to be all black, including the coach, took a knee during the national anthem. Asked why, one third-grade player parroted Kaepernick, saying, according to the coach, "Because black people are getting killed, and nobody's going to jail."

Facts don't matter. The coach, presented with a teachable moment, fumbled it away.

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as to the latter, I fear that over time, while the nfl will take some financial hit, it wont be significant enough for them to affect a change of their own accord.

at the same time, while this does seem to be a divisive issue, I also suspect there are enough people without strong enough feelings such that theyd walk away from the sport.

it'll be interesting to see how it walks out.

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Now, the positive note is that this is a culture battle that Trump has already won; 72 percent think Kaepernick’s antics are unpatriotic. On the downside, progressives have politicized football. It’s the politicization of everything, but the Left cannot leave anyone alone. They will find you; they will make you care. Yet, fans from across the country are cancelling NFL packages and burning their merchandise.

The Trump effect is already being felt, with a decline in ticket sales. As of week three, the NFL is down almost 20 percent in sales. Last year, the drop at this point in the season was around 10 percent.

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Professional football players aren't the only ones taking hits on the field these days.

According to a new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll, the National Football League is seen as more unfavorable than ever before.

"The NFL's net favorability has dropped from 30% on September 21 to 17% on September 28," the poll shows.

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"Trumped: NFL Ticket Sales Decline By Almost 20 Percent"

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Former Members of the military seem to be divided on the issue. Some are deeply offended by the players lack of respect for the flag, the country it stands for, and for the military that defends both. Some don't have a problem with the kneeling, not seeing the disrespect the other group sees.

Which group is right? Which is wrong? Does it matter that the players aren't intending to disrespect the flag, the country or the military? Or, does it only matter that some are feeling disrespected?

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The Trump effect is already being felt, with a decline in ticket sales. As of week three, the NFL is down almost 20 percent in sales. Last year, the drop at this point in the season was around 10 percent.

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You're stupid. Really, fucking stupid. And this is desperation on your part.

Christ, how the fuck are these people allowed to vote?