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Greta75 -> Kingsman Part 2 (spoilers probably) (9/25/2017 3:40:15 AM)
I gotta say, the movie is interesting because it combines Trump and Durtete into one US President in the movie. The bad guy put a poison in the drug she sells that would basically cause all the drug users to die eventually. And threatened the President of the USA to legalise drugs, so that she could deliver the antidote. She is apparently the world's largest illegal drug supplier. The President who is anti-drugs is of course happy and laughing, because hey, she is doing him a favour. Killing all the drug users. He can't be bothered to accede to her demands. It's interesting premise because. I actually don't understand what the good guys expect the President to do? I mean the ending was that, the President was charged with attempted murder of thousands of people, but why? He didn't murder them. He simply did not accept negotiation with terrorists or super villains. I mean, was he suppose to sign the binding contract to legalise all drugs in the USA forever, in exchange for all the drug users life? What was he suppose to do?

WhoreMods -> RE: Kingsman Part 2 (spoilers probably) (9/25/2017 4:36:23 AM)
He was probably supposed to be more like Dubya. That seems to be Mark Millar's line on what all American presidents, fictional or not, should be doing.

bounty44 -> RE: Kingsman Part 2 (spoilers probably) (9/25/2017 4:43:42 AM)
sometimes moral ambiguity is an appealing device in movies greta in so much as it points out the difficulties of navigating real life.

Greta75 -> RE: Kingsman Part 2 (spoilers probably) (9/25/2017 5:13:22 AM)
I think my point is, in a real life realistic situation. IF some drug cartel have put some poison into all the drugs, and millions of drug users are gonna die unless drugs get legalised. In this situation, should the President accede to their demands? On top of that! Should the President get in trouble for not acceding to their demands?

bounty44 -> RE: Kingsman Part 2 (spoilers probably) (9/25/2017 5:50:58 AM)
yes I understood that and that's my point too greta, the moral ambiguity. movies create tensions of which the solutions are not easily recognizable and they model real life situations. have you seen American assassin yet? its the movie of the first book in the chronological story line of the vince Flynn/mitch rapp series. they are counter terrorism books and are bound to be full of what we're talking about.

willisnyc1 -> RE: Kingsman Part 2 (spoilers probably) (9/25/2017 8:00:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 I think my point is, in a real life realistic situation. IF some drug cartel have put some poison into all the drugs, and millions of drug users are gonna die unless drugs get legalised. Would it be cynical to point out that in a real life situation, they probably wouldn't be recruiting teenaged chavs into an espionage organisation so secretive that most of the rest of MI5 don't know it even exists either?

bounty44 -> RE: Kingsman Part 2 (spoilers probably) (9/25/2017 8:17:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willisnyc1 quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 I think my point is, in a real life realistic situation. IF some drug cartel have put some poison into all the drugs, and millions of drug users are gonna die unless drugs get legalised. Would it be cynical to point out that in a real life situation, they probably wouldn't be recruiting teenaged chavs into an espionage organisation so secretive that most of the rest of MI5 don't know it even exists either? probably yes, most movies have some degree of the willing suspension of disbelief, even somewhat absurd ones. otherwise, for instance, no one would be able to get through harry potter.

SMJ53 -> RE: Kingsman Part 2 (spoilers probably) (9/25/2017 8:56:38 AM)
SAD BUT TRUE , OUR GOV [ USA ] IS THE BIGGEST DRUG DEALER THERE IS !! THEY [ GOV ] GOT IN TO THE DRUG BUSINESS DURING A VIETNAM WAR - BIG TIME !!

Greta75 -> RE: Kingsman Part 2 (spoilers probably) (9/25/2017 10:14:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willisnyc1 quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 I think my point is, in a real life realistic situation. IF some drug cartel have put some poison into all the drugs, and millions of drug users are gonna die unless drugs get legalised. Would it be cynical to point out that in a real life situation, they probably wouldn't be recruiting teenaged chavs into an espionage organisation so secretive that most of the rest of MI5 don't know it even exists either? I'm not discussing about the realism of the skills of the secret agent. But a drug cartel that wants to blackmail the President into legalising drugs with this method is actually quite realistic and possibly can happen. But I am more interested to know if a President refuse to give in to their demands and caused a million drug users to die, why should the President be convicted for that?

Wayward5oul -> RE: Kingsman Part 2 (spoilers probably) (9/25/2017 10:41:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: willisnyc1 quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 I think my point is, in a real life realistic situation. IF some drug cartel have put some poison into all the drugs, and millions of drug users are gonna die unless drugs get legalised. Would it be cynical to point out that in a real life situation, they probably wouldn't be recruiting teenaged chavs into an espionage organisation so secretive that most of the rest of MI5 don't know it even exists either? I'm not discussing about the realism of the skills of the secret agent. But a drug cartel that wants to blackmail the President into legalising drugs with this method is actually quite realistic and possibly can happen. But I am more interested to know if a President refuse to give in to their demands and caused a million drug users to die, why should the President be convicted for that? He probably wouldn't be convicted, Greta. Just because that's how it played out in a fiction movie doesn't mean that's how it would play out in real life.

DesFIP -> RE: Kingsman Part 2 (spoilers probably) (9/26/2017 12:54:05 PM)
And drug dealers don't want it legalized. That puts the cartels out of business.

WhoreMods -> RE: Kingsman Part 2 (spoilers probably) (10/13/2017 11:46:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP And drug dealers don't want it legalized. That puts the cartels out of business. It's been seriously suggested that one of the south american cocaine cartels were a big investor in Reagan's attempt to stoke the war on drugs back up, hasn't it?

Wayward5oul -> RE: Kingsman Part 2 (spoilers probably) (10/13/2017 8:25:19 PM)
SPOILER ALERT Ok Greta, I went and saw the movie tonight, and I gotta call BS on this whole thread. You completely mischaracterized what happened, leaving out the fact that the president led the world into believing that he aceeded to the demands, was having the antidote delivered to all the afflicted, then had them all herded up into detention center and placed into cages to die, all while still telling the world that the antidote was coming and they just needed to get to those centers. That's what got him in trouble. Still fiction, but fuck you can't even get fiction right without twisting it all to hell to serve your own made up argument.

MercTech -> RE: Kingsman Part 2 (spoilers probably) (10/15/2017 12:51:32 PM)
How much cognitive dissonance can you have in a movie before it gets in the way of the temporary suspension of disbelief needed to enjoy a fictional story? Different people hit the "this is asinine" point at different levels.

Greta75 -> RE: Kingsman Part 2 (spoilers probably) (10/17/2017 3:18:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul SPOILER ALERT Ok Greta, I went and saw the movie tonight, and I gotta call BS on this whole thread. You completely mischaracterized what happened, leaving out the fact that the president led the world into believing that he aceeded to the demands, was having the antidote delivered to all the afflicted, then had them all herded up into detention center and placed into cages to die, all while still telling the world that the antidote was coming and they just needed to get to those centers. That's what got him in trouble. Still fiction, but fuck you can't even get fiction right without twisting it all to hell to serve your own made up argument. The whole movie was about the good guys being in disbelief that the President doesn't want to save these people at all. The part where the President is tricking the drug dealer is his plan to kill two birds in one stone. End the drug problem And leave the drug dealer completely helpless. Also, I believe the reason why he cannot outright simply say he wasn't gonna give in to the drug dealer demands IS because the world WANTS him to give in to the drug dealer's demands and save the people. Last of all, putting all those people in cages in one confined area, as they were gonna go crazy and then gonna freeze into like a statue and explode anyway is to contain the disease. They were just statues, unable to move. What should they be placed in? I haven't said anything that was not accurate. Fact is, the President DOES NOT want to give in to the Drug Dealer demands in exchange for the cure. And the Good guys FEEL he should! I didn't go into super details, as I didn't want to spoil the movie too much for everybody else. It is a great movie!

femalebornslave -> RE: Kingsman Part 2 (spoilers probably) (10/28/2017 6:46:45 AM)
Kingsman is a far fetch load of jibberish nonsense and those that made it and Snowman and other crap should be booted out of the Industry.

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