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Question for dog owners/Those experienced with dogs - 10/8/2017 11:19:59 AM   
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This one is not for everybody. If you (the reader) are overly sensitive about injured animals, you might want to skip down to the bottom.

Yesterday while I was goofing around on the forums for a while, I went out for approx ten minutes to grab a cigarette. When I came back in, I found that one of our dogs (Brandi) had chewed the cord to a surge protector. It was plugged in and live, so the electricity was flowing through the dog's body. The wire was still in her mouth and her body was convulsing. On finding her, ran to shut the power off via the fuse panel for the electricity to stop.

I honestly thought the dog was dead because she wasn't breathing and didn't resume for a few minutes. I managed to make two quick phone calls before she was breathing again. The three of us rushed her to an emergency vet.

The dog is alive. (I swear I don't know how.) Her face is very swollen. (Think of it looking like she's got a couple of golf balls inside her check.) Her inner lip shows a bit due to the swelling. She's tired and sore, of course. The vet put her on an anti-inflammatory as well as a medication for pain.

Sorry about the graphic background.

My issue now is, how do I stop the dog from doing it again? Brandi is a mixed breed, so I can't tell you which part of her makes her such a chewer. I've mentioned on other threads the things she's destroyed because of her chewing habit. This is worse. For additional info, Brandi is a medium sized dog and is less than a year old. (Still puppy habits.)

When we asked the Vet if she had seen this before, she said it was her first experience with a dog chewing and electric cord bad enough to electrocute itself more than a quick shock. Has anybody else had a dog do this? Does anybody know a good way to discourage the dog from chewing electric cords? I'm looking for ideas such as sprays or something that can be put on the cord to discourage the behavior but I'll take whatever advice I can get. Thanks in advance.


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RE: Question for dog owners/Those experienced with dogs - 10/8/2017 12:33:35 PM   
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Have you tried "bitter apple" spray for your cords? it might not work, but its worth a try.
I had a dog that loved the taste but the next one hated it, is there anything she hates the taste or smell of? boo didnt like the smell of peppermint oil, so I sprayed the spots on the rugs n floor of the cord places.
But I dunno how many hours she took to learn.
I hope she gets over the shock soon, poor pup.
and hugs for the horror of having it happen:(

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RE: Question for dog owners/Those experienced with dogs - 10/8/2017 1:04:06 PM   
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Somebody mentioned apple cider vinegar where MP posted the pics. I don't know if the dog thinks that would taste good or not. (Definitely want to avoid anything she might think tastes good.) We have that as well as white vinegar. Brandi has never turned her nose up at any type of human food, so I really couldn't say.

Peppermint I'm not sure at all. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the product, but I'm a fan of Burt's Bees lip balm and that has a good bit of peppermint in it. I think she'd associate that with a 'good' scent, which again, gives me doubt.

I was wondering about that stuff that people put on their nails to break the nail biting habit. Supposedly, it's like a clear nail polish that tastes really bitter. If people use it, I'd have to think it's not toxic. I just know so little about it.



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RE: Question for dog owners/Those experienced with dogs - 10/8/2017 1:14:48 PM   
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Conduit. Plastic pipes that you run the cords through. They’re not cheap though.

Drsfostersmith.com sells Fooey, a very bitter spray that should stop it, or bitter apple spray.

Is she bored? If so, try those toys you load with food and they have to work at to get the treat.

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RE: Question for dog owners/Those experienced with dogs - 10/8/2017 1:36:42 PM   
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No idea if this would help, but how about a hot sauce such as Tabasco?

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RE: Question for dog owners/Those experienced with dogs - 10/8/2017 2:31:13 PM   
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Try a cable track
https://www.cableorganizer.com/surface-raceways/
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/TL-type-flexible-steel-cable-track_60205589902.html
https://www.ashanging.com/en/wall-track/
We had to get those because the dogs kept chewing Gaye's guitar cables.

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RE: Question for dog owners/Those experienced with dogs - 10/8/2017 2:41:11 PM   
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Get the flavored Nylabones and keep them around your house so whenever she wants to chew, she'll chew the bones. If you notice her chewing anything, tell her no and then give her a Nylabone to chew on. She should be in a kennel when you're not able to keep your eye on her. Hopefully she'll grow out of it and learn to use the Nylabones when she wants to chew.

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RE: Question for dog owners/Those experienced with dogs - 10/8/2017 2:46:37 PM   
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LP,
Head to your local pet store. They make a variety of sprays that are designed as a chew deterrent. They work most of the time. But there is the occasional dog who will defy all the norms.

https://www.chewy.com/out-bitter-cherry-dog-chew-deterrent/dp/157161
https://www.amazon.com/Premium-Pet-Chew-Scratch-Deterrent/dp/B00NYCI2GU

Or you can do a homemade cayenne pepper spray by mixing a 1/2 cup of fresh cayenne peppers to a cup of boiling water. Let cool, strain and put in a spray bottle.



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RE: Question for dog owners/Those experienced with dogs - 10/8/2017 5:13:16 PM   
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Some really good ideas. Thanks.

Boredom? A possibility, which made me concerned. Had this happened when both MP and I were out of the house... She does have other animals to socialize with when we are both out. (Natsha, the other dog and the three cats.) Still, we both work, so we're not here all of the time.

Nylabones. Yes, that's already a thing around here. As are Dingos, rawhides, toys, etc. We stopped getting her stuffed animals because she enjoys ripping the stuffing out of them. One of the big reasons I wasn't sure about the thought of an idea like wrapping the cords in foam covers.

All of the ideas are very much appreciated. Something is going to work.



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RE: Question for dog owners/Those experienced with dogs - 10/8/2017 7:16:30 PM   
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If it is just that one area to protect use a GFI receptacle or use GFCI at the panel

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RE: Question for dog owners/Those experienced with dogs - 10/8/2017 9:00:07 PM   
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Don’t all surge protectors have a GFCI built in?

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RE: Question for dog owners/Those experienced with dogs - 10/8/2017 9:05:07 PM   
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LP..............I don't know if you have Home Brew Shops there but if you do, go and see if you can get hold of some 'Hop Essence'. It's a VERY bitter liquid and even the smell will put most animals off..............the taste will stop your dogs in their tracks. It won't harm them but they'll be shaking their heads and salivating like crazy for a while and I doubt they'll come back to see if anything really CAN taste that foul !!!

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RE: Question for dog owners/Those experienced with dogs - 10/8/2017 9:46:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Don’t all surge protectors have a GFCI built in?

Only when you run things through the cords sockets-the cord itself is always live when plugged in of course.

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RE: Question for dog owners/Those experienced with dogs - 10/8/2017 10:53:13 PM   
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The dog is chewing the cord 'upstream' of any CGFI in the surge protector/power strip, with aren't universal in surge protectors anyway. CGFIs compare the hot wire voltage to the ground wire, and disconnect in as little as 1/10sec. if there is any detectable difference, which always happens with a short circuit. The dog may get a short jolt of 120v., but won't get the sustained current that 'electrocutes' by paralyzing the diaphragm and/or heart. The CGFI has to be at the plug end, or the panel, to protect from damage upstream of the surge protector.
A surge protector is more for sensitive digital equipment, and detours any above normal current to ground. Serious surge protectors can handle some lightning strikes. Most are designed for the common but destructive power surges in utility lines or poorly set up house wiring with large power using components.

Mechanical protection of wiring (See links above) works for many breeds. Really powerful jaws are difficult to counter. We have the same issues with large Cockatoos, who can chew through most anything short of substantial metal. Finding a persistent bad tasting repellent (the animal decides 'bad tasting', not us.) seems useful for Most chewers, of any species. Neurotic animals can defy all normal repelling agents, leaving only physical barriers they can't defeat.

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RE: Question for dog owners/Those experienced with dogs - 10/9/2017 8:40:57 AM   
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I may be the only one, but to me the idea of using any sort of bitter or hot sauce or spray just seems somewhat abusive, which is why we went with the tracks, better to remove the temptation than to punish the animal for doing what comes naturally.

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RE: Question for dog owners/Those experienced with dogs - 10/9/2017 9:20:47 AM   
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Hobo was a chewer..half rot, half sheppard. We ended up slipping all our cords through plumbing pipes then sealed each end with double side tape. It worked like a charm for Hobo and made things a lot neater to boot. He couldn’t chew what he couldn’t get his teeth on. I duplicated that when we got Sophie as a kitten and she was intent on tasting everything in the house, cords included.

No problems anymore.



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RE: Question for dog owners/Those experienced with dogs - 10/9/2017 3:09:06 PM   
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How is he doing today, LP? Sorry I could not offer anything up but it has been a few years since we dealt with a puppy.

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RE: Question for dog owners/Those experienced with dogs - 10/9/2017 3:33:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

Hobo was a chewer..half rot, half sheppard. We ended up slipping all our cords through plumbing pipes then sealed each end with double side tape. It worked like a charm for Hobo and made things a lot neater to boot. He couldn’t chew what he couldn’t get his teeth on. I duplicated that when we got Sophie as a kitten and she was intent on tasting everything in the house, cords included.

No problems anymore.




They sell products that do this. Here’s an example on amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FDAOEE/ref=asc_df_B000FDAOEE5208242/?tag=hyprod-20&creative=394997&creativeASIN=B000FDAOEE&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167122786755&hvpos=1o7&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7909557105931628730&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031995&hvtargid=pla-272345954547

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RE: Question for dog owners/Those experienced with dogs - 10/9/2017 7:47:09 PM   
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We're actually doing a combination of the ideas. The tracks definitely work where Brandi chewed the cord. (The original surge protector was toast, of course.) We got the spray as well for situations where they won't. I plan on coating cords on the vacuum, carpet cleaner, and things like that. I don't want to take any chances.

Brandi's update: There was a lot of swelling on Sunday. She slept a lot but was eating and drinking water. We picked up some soft treats for her because the harder stuff proposed some difficulty. She almost looked like two different dogs depending on which side of her face you'd look at because the swelling is primarily on one side.

Today was her follow up with the regular vet. The electric burn caused an infection in her mouth due to necrotic tissue. She is going to lose part of her tongue and possibly a tooth. Antibiotics have now been added to the regimen. She'll be on a complete soft diet for a week. Also, no chew toys for that period. The swelling is getting better, though it's still going to be several days before it looks normal again. Her energy level is still low but it's improving. She's resting a lot. It's kind of sweet because Natasha doesn't leave her side when Brandi lays down.



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RE: Question for dog owners/Those experienced with dogs - 10/10/2017 7:10:37 AM   
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I am glad she is doing better and am glad our ideas helped.

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