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Drakvampire -> RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments To Insurers (10/15/2017 12:17:01 PM)

What date did you start this thread? I was actually going to do a big pharma thread today but frankly I could not be arsed....here is the 10am unedited version


How the drug industry derailed the DEA’s war on painkillers
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/investigations/dea-drug-industry-congress/?utm_term=.4d4318302a8f

In April 2016, at the height of the deadliest drug epidemic in U.S. history, Congress effectively stripped the Drug Enforcement Administration of its most potent weapon against large drug companies suspected of spilling prescription narcotics onto the nation’s streets.

By then, the opioid war had claimed 200,000 lives, more than three times the number of U.S. military deaths in the Vietnam War. Overdose deaths continue to rise. There is no end in sight.

A handful of members of Congress, allied with the nation’s major drug distributors, prevailed upon the DEA and the Justice Department to agree to a more industry-friendly law, undermining efforts to stanch the flow of pain pills, according to an investigation by The Washington Post and “60 Minutes.” The DEA had opposed the effort for years.

The law was the crowning achievement of a multifaceted campaign by the drug industry to weaken aggressive DEA enforcement efforts against drug distribution companies that were supplying corrupt doctors and pharmacists who peddled narcotics to the black market. The industry worked behind the scenes with lobbyists and key members of Congress, pouring more than a million dollars into their election campaigns.

The chief advocate of the law that hobbled the DEA was Rep. Tom Marino,
a Pennsylvania Republican who is now President Trump’s nominee to become the nation’s next drug czar. Marino spent years trying to move the law through Congress. It passed after Sen. Orrin G. Hatch
(R-Utah) negotiated a final version with the DEA.

Political action committees representing the industry contributed at least $1.5 million to the 23 lawmakers who sponsored or co-sponsored four versions of the bill, including nearly $100,000 to Marino and $177,000 to Hatch. Overall, the drug industry spent $106 million lobbying Congress on the bill and other legislation between 2014 and 2016, according to lobbying reports.

“The drug industry, the manufacturers, wholesalers, distributors and chain drugstores, have an influence over Congress that has never been seen before,” said Joseph T. Rannazzisi,
who ran the DEA’s division responsible for regulating the drug industry and led a decade-long campaign of aggressive enforcement until he was forced out of the agency in 2015. “I mean, to get Congress to pass a bill to protect their interests in the height of an opioid epidemic just shows me how much influence they have.”

Besides the sponsors and co-sponsors of the bill, few lawmakers knew the true impact the law would have. It sailed through Congress and was passed by unanimous consent, a parliamentary procedure reserved for bills considered to be noncontroversial. The White House was equally unaware of the bill’s import when President Barack Obama signed it into law, according to interviews with former senior administration officials.

Top officials at the White House and the Justice Department have declined to discuss how the bill came to pass.







Hillwilliam -> RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments To Insurers (10/15/2017 1:45:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MercTech

Americans can't afford $2000.00 a month health insurance policies. American can't afford the inflated charges for medical care.

About $2000 a month is what you have to pay these days for a 20% co-pay with $100,000.00 a hear cap on total payments. That is what we are paying for each and every policy and if it is on the "exchange" it only means that ALL of us are footing the bill for the rest of the charge for the policy. Don't be fooled by the illusion that the poor are getting cheaper insurance; the bill for the rest is passed on to everyone else.

Forget the bloody pork barrel insurance company subsidizing AHA. Get some regulation on the medical industry.

Where are you buying yours?
I pay $50/week for $3500 max out of pocket and they cover everything after that.




Drakvampire -> RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments To Insurers (10/15/2017 2:05:40 PM)

Do they know what they have went and done?

I will correct that as you now stuff like this…you are well above my 50% rule (yes I can be mean for broken promises not exactly my fault it is).

Do they know what the Mein Fuhrer Fungus has did with its executive order?

Cannibalism




bounty44 -> RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments To Insurers (1/6/2018 8:06:44 AM)

this needs to go somewhere; here seems as good a place as any:

"Single-Payer in Crisis: Britain's NHS Cancels 50,000 Surgeries Amid Long Waits For Care, 'Third World' Conditions"

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Last time we checked in on Britain's National Health Services -- often hailed as the model of a functioning socialized healthcare regime -- government bureaucrats were proposing a suspension of certain surgeries for smokers and obese patients. Why? To alleviate funding crises via an extreme government rationing scheme, under which "NHS will ban patients from surgery indefinitely unless they lose weight or quit smoking." This proposal was to build off of similar regional cuts that had been already been implemented: "A number of areas have introduced delays for such patients - with some told operations will be put back for months, during which time they are expected to try to lose weight or stop smoking," the Telegraph reported. That was in October. How are things going across the pond today? New draconian measures:

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Socialized medicine update: Britain cancels 50,000 surgeries as NHS hospitals face winter crisis https://t.co/KnDx3kQcPy
— Philip Klein (@philipaklein) January 3, 2018


Read every word of this story:

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Every hospital in the country has been ordered to cancel all non-urgent surgery until at least February in an unprecedented step by NHS officials. The instructions on Tuesday night - which will see result in around 50,000 operations being axed - followed claims by senior doctors that patients were being treated in “third world” conditions, as hospital chief executives warned of the worst winter crisis for three decades. Hospitals are reporting growing chaos, with a spike in winter flu leaving frail patients facing 12-hour waits, and some units running out of corridor space. Sir Bruce Keogh, NHS medical director, on Tuesday ordered NHS trusts to stop taking all but the most urgent cases, closing outpatients clinics for weeks as well as cancelling around 50,000 planned operations. Trusts have also been told they can abandon efforts to house male and female patients in separate wards, in an effort to protect basic safety, as services become overwhelmed...By Tuesday night 12 NHS trusts - including two ambulance services covering almost nine million people - had declared they had reached the maximum state of emergency...

East of England Ambulance Service, also at maximum capacity, said some patients were being sent taxis to get them to hospital, with paramedics stuck in ambulances queuing at hospitals for more than 500 hours in the last four days...A number of NHS trust chief executives described the pressure as “relentless” with several on Tuesday saying they had never seen such pressure during 30 years in the health service. Dr Nick Scriven, president of the Society for Acute Medicine, said: "The position at the moment is as bad as I've ever known. We are simply not coping, we were at full capacity before the sorts of pressures that we should be able to manage - like a rise in flu - is pushing us over the edge. “Things are terrible now, but I am fearful the next few weeks will be horrendous."

A blanket, nationwide ban on all "non-urgent" until at least next month, with overcrowded state hospitals leaving sick and elderly patients in hallways, and treatment in some areas deteriorating to "third world" levels. Wait times for care have hit 12 hours, with ambulances forming long lines outside hospitals (hardly unprecedented over there) lasting hundreds of combined hours, forcing vulnerable citizens to travel to emergency in taxis and private vehicles, due to a chronic ambulance backlog. This is single-payer healthcare, operating in an advanced Western nation that has had their system in place for decades. A fundamentally flawed system, insufficient resources and an aging population are proving to be a recipe for disaster.


And that disaster is exactly what Bernie Sanders and a bevy of Democratic presidential hopefuls have in mind for the American people -- this, despite the stunning fiscal realities that have blocked far-left states like Vermont and California from implementing "universal healthcare" fantasies. Those stalled proposals would have roughly doubled the entire budgets of each state, offering absolutely no viable plan to make up those extraordinary funding gaps. The Bernie/Warren wing of the Democratic Party looks at these cautionary tales and responds, "full speed ahead -- let's impose that upon the whole country." And how would they even start to partially fund their reckless experiment? Massive across-the-board tax increases on the middle class and working Americans. That's according to the chairman of their own party. Back to Britain, and this harrowing statistic, paired with a real-life example of the impact:

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More than one in eight patients rushed to hospital in an ambulance this winter has faced a delay of more than 30 minutes on arrival, BBC analysis shows. Patients are meant to be handed over to staff within 15 minutes, but more than 75,000 have waited at least twice as long as that in England. Some of the worst waits had lasted up to five hours, ambulance crews said. Doctors warned the delays put patients at risk, as the prime minister apologised for problems in the NHS...Leah Butler-Smith was with her mother, who was having a stroke, when she was caught in a queue outside Broomfield Hospital in Essex this week. It was five hours until she was seen by a doctor - an experience she described as "scary". "We weren't moving. We weren't going anywhere," she said. Her mother kept falling in and out of consciousness, while she and her sister tried to keep her spirits up. Ambulances continued arriving, making them scared they would be bumped for more urgent cases. "It's just gobsmacking," Leah said. She said it was too soon to know what affect the delay had had on her mother's health. "The staff are doing all they can. There just aren't the funds for the beds," she said.


If liberal Democrats get their way, these scenes will play out across our country, after 156 million Americans are forcibly uprooted from their existing healthcare plans and dumped into the mandatory government system. Single-payer healthcare would be terribly disruptive and egregiously unaffordable in the United States, crushing medical innovation, achieving worse outcomes, and hugely expanding wait times for treatment -- all managed by the sort of unaccountable federal pencil-pushers who were responsible for the (ongoing) VA scandal. And the people pushing this lose-lose proposition are the same group that lied incessantly about the outcomes and consequences of their most recent government intrusion into the US healthcare system.


cant we just tax the rich more? you know, make them "pay their fair share??"

www.comradeslovetownhall.com




tj444 -> RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments To Insurers (1/6/2018 9:00:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: LTE


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Fucking his base again.
Poor whites who are barely getting by. I work with a bunch of them and they LOVE him.



You misunderstand. The "bunch of them" are "poor" but not stupid enough to think they are actually insured by the ACA. They LOVE him because he speaks truth and even if it is bad news it's appreciated because instinctively the "poor" hate being lied to. Let's be honest now for once, we all know Obama lied about the ACA to get it passed. I think "poor" is an inaccurate description for these people.


No, I didn't misunderstand.

They are ignorant fucks who drink the koolaid just like you do and their savior is going to fuck them in the ass with no lube.
I know these HS dropout dopehead Trumpanzees who put in a day's work about every week or so.
You don't


why do I hire these lazy assed dopeheads?

The front office won't let me hire Mexicans.


Yeah, they do drink the koolaid, the ones I know here (who I do like apart from their politics) watch Hannity & shitheads like him that twist everything that happens to their view & continue to spout the lies.. these people self-brainwash by watching that shite.. Of course Dems are similar in that tho.. really, the US is a country divided with each side so deeply entrenched and imo its never gonna change.. so the sleazy, on-the-take politicians & 1%ers win, win, win... it must be hilarious to them how easily "the people" are fooled time & time again..




BoscoX -> RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments To Insurers (1/6/2018 10:42:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

this needs to go somewhere; here seems as good a place as any:

"Single-Payer in Crisis: Britain's NHS Cancels 50,000 Surgeries Amid Long Waits For Care, 'Third World' Conditions"



"Elephant? What elephant?"

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DaddySatyr -> RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments To Insurers (1/6/2018 11:19:11 AM)


- FR -

Suddenly, for a lot of lefties, it seems like we've found a form of corporate welfare they're willing to defend.

That's all the ACA ever was; a "love letter" to the insurance companies. It has sweet fuck all to do with reducing the cost or quality of health care.

A pox on Obama's house, it is.







MrRodgers -> RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments To Insurers (1/6/2018 2:11:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


- FR -

Suddenly, for a lot of lefties, it seems like we've found a form of corporate welfare they're willing to defend.

That's all the ACA ever was; a "love letter" to the insurance companies. It has sweet fuck all to do with reducing the cost or quality of health care.

A pox on Obama's house, it is.





Yes, the insurance companies wrote the ACA. Yes, they wrote it in their favor, complete with a mandate one of the publicly stated purposes of the law, higher premiums and deductibles, complete with apparently $7 billion in subsidies.

So, what else is new ?

Once again, what the unifying culture of corp. welfare, tax benefits, games of the right has been for 40-50 years, is an aberration from the left. Then one is still forced to look at the rationale, health care over the corp. bottom line...primarily a moral question.

The lefty still has a long, long way to go, to catch the right...in this race.




MrRodgers -> RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments To Insurers (1/6/2018 2:31:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Fuck the cake...let them all die. I mean, who in the fuck cares anymore ?

That's what Americans did a whole lot more of than just 3-4 years younger than Europeans and Canadians now...before Medicare.

In America, you are born, you are to then make a profit for yourself or somebody else, or just go to jail...or die. Preferably and at great cost-savings, you'll die in jail.

But don't despair, grandma and grandpa will be Soylent Green and providing a great patriotic service. Yea...yea, there is also to be Soylent Red and Yellow but they are still working on that. I wonder if their will be lawsuits over being forced to eat your grandparents ?



You can forget about Soylent Green: Americans have been unfit for human consumption since the '50s. Did you never see those pro-DDT PSA films?

Well it's still tempting...Americans are fat.




WhoreMods -> RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments To Insurers (1/7/2018 4:27:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Fuck the cake...let them all die. I mean, who in the fuck cares anymore ?

That's what Americans did a whole lot more of than just 3-4 years younger than Europeans and Canadians now...before Medicare.

In America, you are born, you are to then make a profit for yourself or somebody else, or just go to jail...or die. Preferably and at great cost-savings, you'll die in jail.

But don't despair, grandma and grandpa will be Soylent Green and providing a great patriotic service. Yea...yea, there is also to be Soylent Red and Yellow but they are still working on that. I wonder if their will be lawsuits over being forced to eat your grandparents ?



You can forget about Soylent Green: Americans have been unfit for human consumption since the '50s. Did you never see those pro-DDT PSA films?

Well it's still tempting...Americans are fat.

I think the fat's where DDT bioaccumulates, sadly.




MercTech -> RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments To Insurers (1/9/2018 2:44:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: MercTech

Americans can't afford $2000.00 a month health insurance policies. American can't afford the inflated charges for medical care.

About $2000 a month is what you have to pay these days for a 20% co-pay with $100,000.00 a hear cap on total payments. That is what we are paying for each and every policy and if it is on the "exchange" it only means that ALL of us are footing the bill for the rest of the charge for the policy. Don't be fooled by the illusion that the poor are getting cheaper insurance; the bill for the rest is passed on to everyone else.

Forget the bloody pork barrel insurance company subsidizing AHA. Get some regulation on the medical industry.

Where are you buying yours?
I pay $50/week for $3500 max out of pocket and they cover everything after that.

You pay $50 a week and the rest of us cover the actual charge for the inflated premium.
Or, it is employee insurance and the company writes off the rest of the premium as CODB deductions on their income tax.




susie -> RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments To Insurers (1/9/2018 4:09:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

hahahahahahhaahhaah
tell trump.
hes the one that is cutting payments for the poorest.
get pharma, insurance companies and for profit out of the equation.
Its not like insurance companies rates have ever been low. without ....exemptions, like lifetime caps, and pre existing conditions.
You pay far more for other peoples care via ER and the outcomes are far worse for people who really need more than ER care.


It is pretty obvious that if you take away the Insurance (lets make a profit ) companies out of the health care equation then health care becomes cheaper. The Insurance companies are only there to make a profit.

It is time someone over there came up with a proper Health Care plan that works for every one





Hillwilliam -> RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments To Insurers (1/9/2018 4:53:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MercTech


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: MercTech

Americans can't afford $2000.00 a month health insurance policies. American can't afford the inflated charges for medical care.

About $2000 a month is what you have to pay these days for a 20% co-pay with $100,000.00 a hear cap on total payments. That is what we are paying for each and every policy and if it is on the "exchange" it only means that ALL of us are footing the bill for the rest of the charge for the policy. Don't be fooled by the illusion that the poor are getting cheaper insurance; the bill for the rest is passed on to everyone else.

Forget the bloody pork barrel insurance company subsidizing AHA. Get some regulation on the medical industry.

Where are you buying yours?
I pay $50/week for $3500 max out of pocket and they cover everything after that.

You pay $50 a week and the rest of us cover the actual charge for the inflated premium.
Or, it is employee insurance and the company writes off the rest of the premium as CODB deductions on their income tax.

I pay 50/week with no govt subsidies.

Shop around or if your company doesn't offer such coverage, do what you suggest all those minimum wage WalMart workers do. "Go work someplace else" [:D]




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