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kdsub -> RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice (10/21/2017 8:56:39 AM)

Do you think if you were chosen to investigate Russian interference in our elections that you could be above your political affiliation and just report the facts?

Butch




BoscoX -> RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice (10/21/2017 9:11:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Do you think if you were chosen to investigate Russian interference in our elections that you could be above your political affiliation and just report the facts?

Butch


Far better than you, or any of your fellow ideologues

YOU are being led by the nose by a media that covers this president in the most negative way imaginable. Something like 95% of the "news" about this administration is negative.

Melania Trump hates the president so much that she has left the White House now, and her role is being filled by a body double...

The Washington Post is among the worst, yet it's the go-to source for leftists who will never get over Hillary's loss to the man




heavyblinker -> RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice (10/21/2017 9:22:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

Do you think if you were chosen to investigate Russian interference in our elections that you could be above your political affiliation and just report the facts?

Butch


Far better than you, or any of your fellow ideologues


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Seriously, kd... why would you even ask this ridiculous troll such a question?
Do you think he has demonstrated any self-awareness at all, let alone the amount necessary to be capable of fairly evaluating his own objectivity?




heavyblinker -> RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice (10/21/2017 9:23:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
YOU are being led by the nose by a media that covers this president in the most negative way imaginable. Something like 95% of the "news" about this administration is negative.


And that couldn't possibly be because it's shit.




kdsub -> RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice (10/21/2017 9:29:55 AM)

I am just trying to point out to you that if you can be objective in an investigation why do you think Mueller can't be? When the report comes out, along with the evidence collected, then we can make our determination as to the validity of the process. I think Mueller as shown years of honorable service in our government where you have not. I think he deserves our respect... until he provides reason to think otherwise.

You can be assured any result from his investigation will be scrutinized by both parties.

Butch




BoscoX -> RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice (10/21/2017 9:37:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I am just trying to point out to you that if you can be objective in an investigation why do you think Mueller can't be? When the report comes out, along with the evidence collected, then we can make our determination as to the validity of the process. I think Mueller as shown years of honorable service in our government where you have not. I think he deserves our respect... until he provides reason to think otherwise.

You can be assured any result from his investigation will be scrutinized by both parties.

Butch


Reports are and evidence suggests that Mueller is on a partisan witch hunt.

Comey is a personal friend of Muellers, therefore Mueller should have recused himself for that reason alone. That he failed to do that is striking on it's own.

The team that Mueller has assembled are partisans and (as the article I linked to in the OP proves) the lead investigator who Mueller chose has a reputation for twisting the law in order to indict innocent people

YOU have judged president Trump already with far less evidence than this. No evidence, in fact... But (of course) you are willing to give this partisan hack Mueller the benefit of ignoring all of the glaring evidence strongly suggesting that this wandering "investigation" is nothing more than a soft coup attempt against a sitting president




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice (10/21/2017 10:09:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

Do you think if you were chosen to investigate Russian interference in our elections that you could be above your political affiliation and just report the facts?

Butch


Far better than you, or any of your fellow ideologues

YOU are being led by the nose by a media that covers this president in the most negative way imaginable. Something like 95% of the "news" about this administration is negative.

Melania Trump hates the president so much that she has left the White House now, and her role is being filled by a body double...

The Washington Post is among the worst, yet it's the go-to source for leftists who will never get over Hillary's loss to the man



Could it be that 95% of the newsworthy things this administration does or is incovered that they have done in the past is negative?

If not... Then what newsworthy things are there that extend the remaining 5%? I watch Fox News (mostly to chuckle) every night and THEY can't identify anything. Hell, I can watchh Sean Hannty (a show that you should have because you are better at being a Trump sycophant than even he is!0.. And HE can't even come up with anything. He spends his enntire hour whining about how Trump is being treated unfairly in the media.

Just curious.




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice (10/21/2017 10:19:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Evidence of collusion with IRA and other Russian hackers (e.g. Guccifer 2.0). The fact that Trump made speeches about upcoming releases of information, and they happened right on schedule is plenty of smoke. They may have already found the gun. Nothing political about it. Either there is evidence of collusion (and therefore treason, IMO) or not.


Proof? WHERE?

Treason???

(Howler)



Proof? We'll see what comes out of the investigtion
Treason? If he colluded with the Russians to guide fake news attacks from IRA... or to have American institutions That is treason IMO
Howler? - Thanks for throwing that in there. That has been your word for several months now :)




kdsub -> RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice (10/21/2017 10:29:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

I am just trying to point out to you that if you can be objective in an investigation why do you think Mueller can't be? When the report comes out, along with the evidence collected, then we can make our determination as to the validity of the process. I think Mueller as shown years of honorable service in our government where you have not. I think he deserves our respect... until he provides reason to think otherwise.

You can be assured any result from his investigation will be scrutinized by both parties.

Butch


Reports are and evidence suggests that Mueller is on a partisan witch hunt.

Comey is a personal friend of Muellers, therefore Mueller should have recused himself for that reason alone. That he failed to do that is striking on it's own.

The team that Mueller has assembled are partisans and (as the article I linked to in the OP proves) the lead investigator who Mueller chose has a reputation for twisting the law in order to indict innocent people

YOU have judged president Trump already with far less evidence than this. No evidence, in fact... But (of course) you are willing to give this partisan hack Mueller the benefit of ignoring all of the glaring evidence strongly suggesting that this wandering "investigation" is nothing more than a soft coup attempt against a sitting president



I have made no judgement on the Russian affair... I have judged him incompetent by his actions...and that is is proven by his congressional success when his party controls Congress... and... I cannot abide a habitual lair and narcissist.





MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice (10/21/2017 11:05:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

I am just trying to point out to you that if you can be objective in an investigation why do you think Mueller can't be? When the report comes out, along with the evidence collected, then we can make our determination as to the validity of the process. I think Mueller as shown years of honorable service in our government where you have not. I think he deserves our respect... until he provides reason to think otherwise.

You can be assured any result from his investigation will be scrutinized by both parties.

Butch


Reports are and evidence suggests that Mueller is on a partisan witch hunt.




There are ZERO reports outside of the right wing echo chamber that Mueller is on a partisan witch hunt.
Certainly ZERO evidence.




Nnanji -> RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice (10/21/2017 11:12:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

I am just trying to point out to you that if you can be objective in an investigation why do you think Mueller can't be? When the report comes out, along with the evidence collected, then we can make our determination as to the validity of the process. I think Mueller as shown years of honorable service in our government where you have not. I think he deserves our respect... until he provides reason to think otherwise.

You can be assured any result from his investigation will be scrutinized by both parties.

Butch


Reports are and evidence suggests that Mueller is on a partisan witch hunt.




There are ZERO reports outside of the right wing echo chamber that Mueller is on a partisan witch hunt.
Certainly ZERO evidence.

The first two pages of a google search for "Mueller witch hunt" bear you out. But I'm wondering why you think any lefty news organization, that have all been clearly biased against Trump, would consider jumping on that particular band wagon? While your statement is certainly factually correct, it contains no real point considering the political stance of the media.




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice (10/21/2017 12:13:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

I am just trying to point out to you that if you can be objective in an investigation why do you think Mueller can't be? When the report comes out, along with the evidence collected, then we can make our determination as to the validity of the process. I think Mueller as shown years of honorable service in our government where you have not. I think he deserves our respect... until he provides reason to think otherwise.

You can be assured any result from his investigation will be scrutinized by both parties.

Butch


Reports are and evidence suggests that Mueller is on a partisan witch hunt.




There are ZERO reports outside of the right wing echo chamber that Mueller is on a partisan witch hunt.
Certainly ZERO evidence.

The first two pages of a google search for "Mueller witch hunt" bear you out. But I'm wondering why you think any lefty news organization, that have all been clearly biased against Trump, would consider jumping on that particular band wagon? While your statement is certainly factually correct, it contains no real point considering the political stance of the media.



A fair point... To be honest, I wasn't making a point about the political stance of the media. I was refuting Bosco's point that there are "reports and evidence" suggesting a partisan witch hunt on the part of Mueller. There are clearly not, outside of hyper-partisan right-wing media.

I can't speak for "lefty" news organizations. I would hope, if there were clear evidence that Mueller is acting improperly, or in a partisan way, it would be reported by most organizations.

At this point, it seems to be nothing more than hyper-partisan whining, rather than actual news.




BoscoX -> RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice (12/3/2017 3:41:19 PM)


FR

House Republicans Prepare Contempt Action Against FBI, DOJ

Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein, FBI Director Wray named

‘It all starts to make sense,’ Trump says of Russia probe


U.S. House Republicans are drafting a contempt of Congress resolution against Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and FBI Director Christopher Wray, claiming stonewalling in producing material related to the Russia-Trump probes and other matters.

Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes and other committee Republicans, after considering such action for several weeks, decided to move after media including the New York Times reported Saturday on why a top FBI official assigned to Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe of Russia-Trump election collusion had been removed from the investigation.

Republicans, including the president, pointed to the reports as evidence that the entire probe into Russian meddling has been politically motivated.

“Now it all starts to make sense,” Trump said on Twitter Sunday.

In his statement Saturday, Nunes pointed to the reports that the official, Peter Strzok, was removed after allegedly having exchanged anti-Trump and pro-Hillary Clinton text messages with his mistress, who was an FBI lawyer working for Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe.

Another Trump tweet referred to the agent as “tainted (no, very dishonest?).” The president added that the FBI’s reputation “is in Tatters - worst in History!” In a busy morning of notes to his 44 million followers, Trump earlier said that “I never asked” former FBI Director James Comey “to stop investigating Flynn. Just more Fake News covering another Comey lie!”

MORE




Lucylastic -> RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice (12/3/2017 4:51:22 PM)

No, Comey DIDNT Say the president asked him to "to stop investigating Flynn", hes correct in the word useage, and no one who is actually following this is thinking he did.
Comey has already stated his story under oath, nothing in his statements say what trump said either, Trump is being specifically deceptive. again.
Semantics.
The reps he tried to "convince" that the investigation should be shut down, told their stories, They will get their time.

PS trumps 44 million followers arent all supporters.
Nunes is so corrupt, hes laughable
It didnt take long for him to get his "credibility" back after his "apparent" mishandling of classified material...
He has all the credibility and believability of roy moore.
He has the power right now...Grassley, and Nunes are crying because Mueller fired someone who was "anti trump"
Thats so so evil, its genius!!!! [8|]




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice (12/3/2017 5:00:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


He's a political hack. Comey's butt buddy, interested only in revenge and politicizing his duties

Judging by Mueller's staffing choices, he may not be very interested in justice

Much has been written about the prosecutorial prowess of Robert Mueller’s team assembled to investigate allegations of Russia’s involvement in the Trump campaign. Little has been said of the danger of prosecutorial overreach and the true history of Mueller’s lead prosecutor.

What was supposed to have been a search for Russia’s cyberspace intrusions into our electoral politics has morphed into a malevolent mission targeting friends, family and colleagues of the president. The Mueller investigation has become an all-out assault to find crimes to pin on them — and it won’t matter if there are no crimes to be found. This team can make some.

Many Americans despise President Trump and anyone associated with him. Yet turning our system of justice into a political weapon is a danger we must guard against.


Think back to April 1, 1940, and a world awash in turmoil, hate and fear. Revered Attorney General Robert H. Jackson assembled the United States attorneys. In remarks enshrined in the hearts of all good prosecutors, he said, “the citizen's safety lies in the prosecutor who tempers zeal with human kindness, who seeks truth and not victims, who serves the law and not factional purposes, and who approaches his task with humility.”


Yet Mueller tapped a different sort of prosecutor to lead his investigation — his long-time friend and former counsel, Andrew Weissmann. He is not just a “tough” prosecutor. Time after time, courts have reversed Weissmann’s most touted “victories” for his tactics. This is hardly the stuff of a hero in the law.

Weissmann, as deputy and later director of the Enron Task Force, destroyed the venerable accounting firm of Arthur Andersen LLP and its 85,000 jobs worldwide — only to be reversed several years later by a unanimous Supreme Court.

Next, Weissmann creatively criminalized a business transaction between Merrill Lynch and Enron. Four Merrill executives went to prison for as long as a year. Weissmann’s team made sure they did not even get bail pending their appeals, even though the charges Weissmann concocted, like those against Andersen, were literally unprecedented.

Weissmann’s prosecution devastated the lives and families of the Merrill executives, causing enormous defense costs, unimaginable stress and torturous prison time. The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals reversed the mass of the case.

Weissmann quietly resigned from the Enron Task Force just as the judge in the Enron Broadband prosecution began excoriating Weissmann’s team, and the press began catching on to Weissmann’s modus operandi.

Mueller knows this history. Is this why he tapped Weissmann to target Paul Manafort?

As Attorney General Jackson foretold: “Therein is the most dangerous power of the prosecutor: that he will pick people that he thinks he should get, rather than pick cases that need to be prosecuted.”

Manafort, a Trump associate, is simply a small step in Weissmann’s quest to impugn this presidency or to reverse the results of the 2016 election. Never mind that months of investigation by multiple entities have produced no evidence of "collusion." Mueller’s rare, predawn raid of Manafort’s home — a fearsome treat usually reserved for mobsters and drug dealers — is textbook Weissmann terrorism. And of course, the details were leaked — another illegal tactic.

Weissmann is intent on indicting Manafort. It won’t matter that Manafort knows the Trump campaign did not collude with the Russians. Weissman will pressure Manafort to say whatever satisfies Weissmann’s perspective. Perjury is only that which differs from Weissmann’s “view” of the “evidence” — not the actual truth.

We all lose from Weissmann’s involvement. First, the truth plays no role in Weissmann’s quest. Second, respect for the rule of law, simple decency and following the facts do not appear in Weissmann’s playbook. Third, and most important, all Americans lose whenever our judicial system becomes a weapon to reward political friends and punish political foes.

It is long past the due date for Mueller to clean up his team — or Weissmann to resign — as a sign that the United States is a nation of laws that are far more important than one Weissmann.

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/356253-judging-by-muellers-staffing-choices-he-may-not-be-very-interested-in



Again with Andrew Weissman??? What has he done??? "Respect for the rule of law, simple decency, and following the facts do not appear in his playbook?"

Desperate much?




Lucylastic -> RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice (12/3/2017 5:11:54 PM)

well it IS just an opinion piece.
powell works for jareds paper.




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice (12/3/2017 5:40:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

well it IS just an opinion piece.
powell works for jareds paper.



We went from B-b-b-but Hilary!

TO

B-b-b-b-but Andrew Weissmann!




Lucylastic -> RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice (12/3/2017 5:45:07 PM)

I think he has lost any hope of hillary actually being proven guilty of anything, despite 30 years of trying.
so he is now onto Mueller and the "tainted team" bozo claims are crooked.
But MAGA
Mueller Aint Goin Anywhere.




kdsub -> RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice (12/3/2017 5:54:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I think he has lost any hope of hillary actually being proven guilty of anything, despite 30 years of trying.
so he is now onto Mueller and the "tainted team" bozo claims are crooked.
But MAGA
Mueller Aint Goin Anywhere.



Mueller's very existence as a special prosecutor is just another example of Trump's incompetence. The President was at his highest public confidence rating... total control of Congress... naming the leaders of government... yet he allowed himself to be out maneuvered and is now at the mercy of true justice... a pitiful incompetent performance.

Butch




Lucylastic -> RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice (12/3/2017 6:05:07 PM)

Yet again I find myself in agreement:)




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