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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/14/2017 4:43:40 PM   
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You nearly backpedaled yourself into your own rectum...admit it.
Try that for a cartoon.

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/14/2017 10:15:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
I agree with them, along with many other people.
Trump is a fucking idiot and a loathsome human being-- it's an objective fact that anyone with a brain can see.


the only "objective fact" I see is that you have no idea what the word "objective" means.

after that, given your "anyone with a brain" statement, see if the opinion (you know, a subjective statement open to debate) of "youre a smug pompous ass" is fitting?


I do know what the word 'objective' means.
Trump would fits the description they gave.

There are numerous examples of not only his stupidity, but also his inability to recognize his own stupidity. He is obviously used to bossing people around, but isn't particularly bright. I doubt he can do much more than insult people, self-aggrandize, assault women and push others to do what he wants them to do.

As for loathsome-- billions of people around the world are disgusted and repulsed by him, and not in the same way they are repulsed by normal politicians.
They are disgusted by who he is as a person, by his ideas, by everything he represents-- not least of all the failure of democracy.


I on the other hand do not fit any objective criteria for a smug, pompous ass.
I am not proud of anything I say here, I just say what I think (ie: not smug).
If anything, my compulsion to return here over and over and waste time with fuckwits like you is a source of shame for me.

I don't put on a big show or care about how my posts are received (ie: not pompous).
Anyone who tries to talk sense to people like Bosco or you CAN'T care about how their posts will be received, because with the RWNJs they already know in advance.
They will be inevitably met with regurgitated lies, conspiracies, fallacies, insults, and moronic generalizations about libruls.

The only subjective part of your enduring insult is 'ass'... because taken objectively, it doesn't fit either.
Everyone says foolish or stupid things from time to time, but for the most part, nothing you ever respond to fits that description.
You mostly tend to respond with that insult when I say something you don't like and can't disprove.


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it doesn't mean that necessarily, but there is a reason judges or trial lawyers dismiss jury members when they already have strong feelings or biases in a particular direction concerning whats being adjudicated. it effects or potentially effects their ability to do their jobs well. this same principle exists in other areas in life.

and riigggggght. no one has ever used their position in order to achieve some political end.


Yes, and the agents WERE dismissed.
But you still feel the need to hype this up and start hinting at conspiracies about the Trump investigation being nothing more than a political hitjob.

And wtf... you already pointed out that this doesn't even necessarily mean anything, and then you start claiming that I am arguing that there aren't corrupt judges or politicians?
Straw man aside, why the fuck do you feel the need to point this out?

I am sure that each and every Hillary-voting Trump-hating agent working this case is keen to watch the fucker go down.
Sort of like when detectives are gratified when they catch serial killers or child molesters.

Seeing justice served should be gratifying for everyone.
Your problem is that you refuse to accept that this is what is happening now.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
its not just a matter of going forward, its a matter of what damage has already been done.

lastly, as ive said before, the purpose of an independent council is to avoid criticisms of partisanship and to maintain public trust. you want to call whats going on a "weak" attempt at undermining? in an era of "lets destroy trump" I call it the people catching on to a problem.

oh, and what bosco said.



All I'm saying is what the agents were expressing wasn't uncommon or even unjustified, especially during last year's election.
They could just as easily have been talking about the intelligence community's insider knowledge, which already suggested Trump was being supported by Putin at that time and earlier.
Notice the agents aren't die-hard democrats, aren't anti-GOPers, and aren't talking about anything that anyone else (including a lot of GOPers) wasn't talking about.

I really doubt the RWNJ news you consume would be getting wound up if they were die-hard neo-Nazis who wanted Trump to become the fuhrer he has always wanted to become.
You would probably be arguing that it's all good, and mocking anyone who dared to suggest maybe neo-Nazis shouldn't be FBI agents.

Something like this, I imagine:



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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/17/2017 4:44:54 AM   
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"Mueller May Have Improperly Obtained Trump Transition Team E-mails"

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According to Axios, special counsel Robert Mueller has confiscated thousands of e-mails and communications from President Donald J. Trump’s transition team, including from notable figures such as Jared Kushner and other high profile aides.

"Trump officials discovered Mueller had the emails when his prosecutors used them as the basis for questions to witnesses, the sources said.

The emails include 12 accounts, one of which contains about 7,000 emails, the sources said.

The accounts include the team's political leadership and the foreign-policy team, the sources said."

These e-mails supposedly all occurred after the 2016 presidential election. Mueller’s investigation is explicitly to determine if there was any Russian interference before the election that could have rigged the results for Donald Trump. But, according to Axios’ source “Mueller is using the emails to confirm things, and get new leads.”

This, and how exactly Mueller gained access to these communications, raises serious legal questions. Kory Langhofer, an attorney for President Trump, issued a letter to congressional committees on Saturday saying that Mueller had improperly obtained the emails.

As Fox News [oh no comrades!] notes, Langhofer says that Mueller's team gained access to the e-mails via the General Services Administration. The Transition team was using the GSA's office space and e-mails severs. Trump's attorneys say that in doing so, Mueller may have violated the 4th amendment by asking the GSA for e-mails which were supposed to be private and secure.

According to Reuters, the letter says “career staff members at the agency unlawfully produced TFA’s private materials, including privileged communications, to the Special Counsel’s Office.”

This story will be updated as details come in.

BREAKING NEWS: Trump transition team sends letter to lawmakers; claims Mueller team inappropriately obtained private documents. pic.twitter.com/fWAqEdnz09
— Fox News (@FoxNews) December 16, 2017


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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/17/2017 6:06:25 AM   
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Standard deep state politics.



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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/17/2017 7:16:44 AM   
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If he has a subpoena, court order, search warrant or probable cause, he is in compliance with 18 USC §§ 2701–2712. So, if anyone has done something illegal or just plain stupid, it would appear to be the Republican administered GSA.
Oh no, 'conservative' comrades, FACTS!!!!

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/17/2017 7:29:58 AM   
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Maybe, they are hillarys emails

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/17/2017 9:30:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk

If he has a subpoena, court order, search warrant or probable cause, he is in compliance with 18 USC §§ 2701–2712. So, if anyone has done something illegal or just plain stupid, it would appear to be the Republican administered GSA.
Oh no, 'conservative' comrades, FACTS!!!!


Those are all missing.

Yelling "FACTS!!!" when all you have is your factless howling only establishes that you have the mind of a child

A major problem with this part of the lefts coup attempt is the precedent it is setting

Crippling incoming presidential staff's ability to openly communicate in this manner will have real world consequences for incoming presidents of any party

The entire nation loses, just so leftist trash can try to avenge their pussy hat queen's historic loss to president Trump

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/17/2017 10:31:53 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk

If he has a subpoena, court order, search warrant or probable cause, he is in compliance with 18 USC §§ 2701–2712. So, if anyone has done something illegal or just plain stupid, it would appear to be the Republican administered GSA.
Oh no, 'conservative' comrades, FACTS!!!!


Those are all missing.

Yelling "FACTS!!!" when all you have is your factless howling only establishes that you have the mind of a child

A major problem with this part of the lefts coup attempt is the precedent it is setting

Crippling incoming presidential staff's ability to openly communicate in this manner will have real world consequences for incoming presidents of any party

The entire nation loses, just so leftist trash can try to avenge their pussy hat queen's historic loss to president Trump

Just what would 'the nation'...'lose ?' What the world should lose, is the very idea that anymore than maybe, maybe 1 of 10 pols actually do things in the public interest.

Leftist trash is your continuing creed where the rightist rent-seeking scum, is turning the world into financial hedonism and an environmental dumpster.

Americans certainly aren't virgins when it come to being fucked over by politicians, just as with this revenue cut bill...that will amazingly...increase revenues. Like when you go to the barber and get your hair cut, longer.

(taxes are never cut until spending is cut...only pushed into the future)

Nothing but greed being enjoyed by greedy, capitalist, right wing scum.

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/17/2017 10:47:06 AM   
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Just what would 'the nation'...'lose ?' What the world should lose, is the very idea that anymore than maybe, maybe 1 of 10 pols actually do things in the public interest.

Leftist trash is your continuing creed where the rightist rent-seeking scum, is turning the world into financial hedonism and an environmental dumpster.


The emails were between private citizens not yet in government who had every right to expect privacy and standard legal protections

Despite your cartoonish delusions, you howlers don't have your police state yet

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/17/2017 10:54:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Just what would 'the nation'...'lose ?' What the world should lose, is the very idea that anymore than maybe, maybe 1 of 10 pols actually do things in the public interest.

Leftist trash is your continuing creed where the rightist rent-seeking scum, is turning the world into financial hedonism and an environmental dumpster.


The emails were between private citizens not yet in government who had every right to expect privacy and standard legal protections

Despite your cartoonish delusions, you howlers don't have your police state yet

Reinforcing the question...what does 'the nation' lose ? I am telling you, not their political cherries.

The 'nation' i.e., the public in general can see and many are coming around to, the inherent corruption in the plutocracy the right and repub thrive in.

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/17/2017 11:04:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Just what would 'the nation'...'lose ?' What the world should lose, is the very idea that anymore than maybe, maybe 1 of 10 pols actually do things in the public interest.

Leftist trash is your continuing creed where the rightist rent-seeking scum, is turning the world into financial hedonism and an environmental dumpster.


The emails were between private citizens not yet in government who had every right to expect privacy and standard legal protections

Despite your cartoonish delusions, you howlers don't have your police state yet

Reinforcing the question...what does 'the nation' lose ? I am telling you, not their political cherries.

The 'nation' i.e., the public in general can see and many are coming around to, the inherent corruption in the plutocracy the right and repub thrive in.


The corruption would be, deep state leftist trash plotting a de facto coup against the duly elected president, and trampling the rights of citizens to due process in the process (as noted above)

Are you trying to say with a straight face that Hillary and the Kennedys and the Amazon Post etc are not "the plutocracy" (along with their entrenched deep state allies)






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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/17/2017 11:14:03 AM   
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If he has a subpoena, court order, search warrant or probable cause, he is in compliance with 18 USC §§ 2701–2712. So, if anyone has done something illegal or just plain stupid, it would appear to be the Republican administered GSA.
Oh no, 'conservative' comrades, FACTS!!!!


hey mnottertroll, on top of what bosco said in response to your elementary school understanding of things, please quote the exact part of those laws that address the situation at hand?

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/17/2017 11:27:04 AM   
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...the rightist rent-seeking scum, is turning the world into financial hedonism and an environmental dumpster...

Nothing but greed being enjoyed by greedy, capitalist, right wing scum.


im sorry, youre an absolute joke. please move to cuba.

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/17/2017 11:28:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

...the rightist rent-seeking scum, is turning the world into financial hedonism and an environmental dumpster...

Nothing but greed being enjoyed by greedy, capitalist, right wing scum.


im sorry, youre an absolute joke. please move to cuba.



Don't you know, or haven't you heard? "Hillary REALLY CARES about the little people"

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/17/2017 11:38:12 AM   
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while that's true, given human nature, capitalism is the best economic system available and the most responsible for actually bringing people OUT of poverty and the most effective means of doing so.

$(&@)* comrades.

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/17/2017 11:56:31 AM   
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while that's true, given human nature, capitalism is the best economic system available and the most responsible for actually bringing people OUT of poverty and the most effective means of doing so.

$(&@)* comrades.


I was being totally sarcastic

Hillary and her kind use the treasury to buy votes, then use the power they gain to enrich themselves at the expense of the nation as a whole

Drive the nation to ruin through that process... With women, children, the poor and the elderly and minorities hit hardest

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/17/2017 12:12:59 PM   
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i got it, i was totally agreeing with the sarcasm.

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/17/2017 2:13:14 PM   
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The "while that's true" part threw me

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/17/2017 4:26:49 PM   
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more to the story:

"Mueller team denies accusations it 'unlawfully' obtained Trump transition emails"

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Washington (CNN) — A spokesman for special counsel Robert Mueller has denied accusations by Trump transition lawyers that Mueller's team got unauthorized access to thousands of transition emails.

"When we have obtained emails in the course of our ongoing criminal investigation, we have secured either the account owner's consent or appropriate criminal process," the spokesman, Peter Carr, said early Sunday.

Lawyers representing the transition wrote to members of Congress accusing Mueller's team of obtaining unauthorized access to tens of thousands of transition emails in the course of its Russia investigation, including what they claim to be documents protected by attorney-client privilege.

The transition maintains the emails, which were on a government domain, were its property and should not have been handed over without its approval. The emails in question involve 13 transition officials, including four senior ones, according to the letter.

The lawyer, Kory Langhofer, wrote to leaders of the Senate Homeland Security and House Oversight and Government Reform committees because he said the General Services Administration, which supports presidential transitions, "unlawfully produced" private materials of the transition although the GSA "did not own or control the records in question."

Langhofer wrote in the letter that the Special Counsel's Office "was actively using those materials without any notice" to transition officials.

The letter states there were two other occasions where the Special Counsel's Office did not notify transition officials that their records had been requested or received.

The transition's executive director, Ken Nahigian, asserts that the transition owns the emails under the agreement that set up the operation, despite the GSA's stance.

"Up until the very end that was our understanding. GSA would maintain, but you owned them," Nahigian said. "In no way they own the emails. ... We are the victim."

The emails have a ".gov" domain because GSA was in charge of their security, he said.

Nahigian also emphasized that his organization has no official connection to the White House.

"I don't talk to the White House," he said.

Nahigian also said he is objecting to the handing over of the emails because of the precedent it will set for future transitions. He said his organization is exploring options about how to respond and expects to make a decision possibly later Sunday, but he would not discuss possible courses of action.

"What we do beyond requesting a lawful process hasn't been determined," he said, adding that some of the documents contain privileged information.

GSA Deputy Counsel Lenny Loewentritt disputed a claim by Langhofer that the GSA's general counsel had agreed in June that any requests for transition records would go to the Trump campaign, BuzzFeed News reported Saturday night.

Loewentritt said transition officials were told that "in using our devices," materials "would not be held back in any law enforcement" requests. He added there was a series of agreements between the transition and GSA for using its goods and therefore there was no expectation of privacy.

Langhofer's letter also states that Special Counsel's Office had obtained transition laptops, cell phones and at least one iPad after the FBI requested them of career GSA staff without a subpoena.

The letter also says a representative of the Special Counsel's Office told transition officials it did not recover any documents from that hardware, but failed "to disclose the critical fact that ... the Special Counsel's office had simultaneously received from the GSA tens of thousands of emails."

"The materials produced by the GSA to the Special Counsel's Office therefore included materials protected by the attorney-client privilege, the deliberative process privilege, and the presidential communications privilege," the letter maintains.

Axios first reported the existence of the emails, and Fox News first reported the transition lawyer's letter.

The transition lawyer is asking the members of Congress to act to protect future presidential transitions from having "private records misappropriated by government agencies, particularly in the context of sensitive investigations intersecting with political motives." Specifically, the lawyer is asking if future transitions receive request or demand for documents it must provide notice to transition officials and an opportunity to respond.

A spokeswoman for House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy, of South Carolina, said in a statement that the Trump transition email issues are "to be briefed by the parties (or others with cognizable legal claims and standing) and decided by the court — not Congress."

"The central issues raised are fact specific legal issues which involve issues of privilege, waiver (express, implied, actual and constructive), standing to assert claims of privacy, expectations of privacy and the reasonableness thereof, third party consent, statutory constructions, and inevitable discovery among other issues," she added in the statement.

But Committee ranking Democrat Elijah Cummings, of Maryland, says the panel does have jurisdiction over the matter.

"Our committee has direct jurisdiction over the Presidential Transition Act, and it simply does not support withholding transition team emails from criminal investigators," Cummings said in a statement. "The President's lawyers have said they want to fully comply with Special Counsel Mueller's investigation, so it is odd that they now suggest they would have withheld key documents from federal investigators."


http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/16/politics/special-counsel-robert-mueller-transition-emails-letter/index.html

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/17/2017 4:27:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk

If he has a subpoena, court order, search warrant or probable cause, he is in compliance with 18 USC §§ 2701–2712. So, if anyone has done something illegal or just plain stupid, it would appear to be the Republican administered GSA.
Oh no, 'conservative' comrades, FACTS!!!!


Those are all missing.

Yelling "FACTS!!!" when all you have is your factless howling only establishes that you have the mind of a child

A major problem with this part of the lefts coup attempt is the precedent it is setting

Crippling incoming presidential staff's ability to openly communicate in this manner will have real world consequences for incoming presidents of any party

The entire nation loses, just so leftist trash can try to avenge their pussy hat queen's historic loss to president Trump

What facts do you possess demented howling imbecile with a mind only equalled by a lump of coal? You dont have any fact that anyone was crippled, or that there has been any open communication between these conspirators, the entire nation loses so that the rightist pedophilia supporters can fail historically, again....

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