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Song writing is so bloody easy any fool can do it - 10/28/2017 6:45:05 AM

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It took 4 people to write this simple rubbish.

(Sock) Ooh, I'm so ready
(Sock) Just one more kiss
(Sock) Come on now baby
(Sock it)

Honey in the bee hive
Honey bunch, heh
Every time you kiss me
Hits me like a punch
Ready ready ready ready ready
Ready or not. Hey!

I want, yes I do,
What you've got.

Sock it to me baby
Sock it to me baby baby
Gotta sock it
To me baby
Sock it to me baby,
Sock it to me baby, sock it

Bug a loo my baby
Rock the boat heh
Ev'ry time you shake it girl
I like it more
Songwriters: BOB CREWE, L RUSSELL BROWN, LARRY RUSSELL BROWN

RE: Song writing is so bloody easy any fool can do it - 10/28/2017 1:44:57 PM

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Thanks for sharing it.

NOT!

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RE: Song writing is so bloody easy any fool can do it - 10/28/2017 2:56:46 PM

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I think you need a remedial math course.

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RE: Song writing is so bloody easy any fool can do it - 10/28/2017 5:27:02 PM

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And your point?

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RE: Song writing is so bloody easy any fool can do it - 11/2/2017 5:27:18 AM

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And your point?

That it would only be a quarter as good if just one of the four writers had written it, presumably.

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RE: Song writing is so bloody easy any fool can do it - 11/2/2017 5:29:10 AM

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Even that is fucked up, because there weren't four writers.

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RE: Song writing is so bloody easy any fool can do it - 11/2/2017 8:09:36 AM

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Even that is fucked up, because there weren't four writers.

I was humouring him.

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RE: Song writing is so bloody easy any fool can do it - 11/2/2017 12:54:22 PM

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The daughter’s boyfriend is a musician. We had this discussion. Apparently it’s much harder than you imagine to write lyrics. He’s a back up musician for several bands and this is always the most difficult part. Matching the words to the music.

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RE: Song writing is so bloody easy any fool can do it - 11/2/2017 1:05:55 PM

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I've written a song or two in my day.

It's very easy (for the lyricist) to write a poem and turn to a musician and say: "Here. Write something"

Conversely, I have three or four unfinished songs because I have a riff or a chord progression and don't have any lyrics (other than a chorus, in three of the cases).

I have had songs (two) come together in an hour or less, complete with music and lyrics, but that is absolutely the exception (in my case).

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RE: Song writing is so bloody easy any fool can do it - 11/2/2017 9:50:33 PM

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I have an ex who used to write lyrics & music to me, personally. Full songs would be a long process for him.
My niece now works for a talent recording agency & deals with new & more seasoned talent. These artists spend an enormous amount of time creating their own lyrics & music. Even tougher for a prolific artist.
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RE: Song writing is so bloody easy any fool can do it - 11/3/2017 1:26:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: femalebornslave

It took 4 people to write this simple rubbish.

(Sock) Ooh, I'm so ready
(Sock) Just one more kiss
(Sock) Come on now baby
(Sock it)

Honey in the bee hive
Honey bunch, heh
Every time you kiss me
Hits me like a punch
Ready ready ready ready ready
Ready or not. Hey!

I want, yes I do,
What you've got.

Sock it to me baby
Sock it to me baby baby
Gotta sock it
To me baby
Sock it to me baby,
Sock it to me baby, sock it

Bug a loo my baby
Rock the boat heh
Ev'ry time you shake it girl
I like it more
Songwriters: BOB CREWE, L RUSSELL BROWN, LARRY RUSSELL BROWN

This is, what, 1965? 40+ years ago?

Well yes, thank goodness things have progressed so much since then, the contemporary "Gim'it toome bitch" etc.

I remember thinking how much further things had progressed when upon hearing whatever Frank Zappa song where his "rammit, rammit, rammit, rammit up yer poop shoot" displayed his undeniable genius.

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RE: Song writing is so bloody easy any fool can do it - 11/3/2017 1:47:24 AM

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For those interested;

Sock It To Me Baby

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RE: Song writing is so bloody easy any fool can do it - 11/3/2017 2:04:27 AM

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For example of even worse lyrics, but better to dancing and shaking;

Land Of A Thousand Dances

Always worked well for the nephews and nieces at the time, any case.

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RE: Song writing is so bloody easy any fool can do it - 11/12/2017 2:54:42 AM

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I've written a song or two in my day.

It's very easy (for the lyricist) to write a poem and turn to a musician and say: "Here. Write something"

Conversely, I have three or four unfinished songs because I have a riff or a chord progression and don't have any lyrics (other than a chorus, in three of the cases).

I have had songs (two) come together in an hour or less, complete with music and lyrics, but that is absolutely the exception (in my case).Michael

Tammy Wynette said that she and her producer wrote Stand By Your Man in 15 minutes. She was at least 'conversant' on guitar and piano, and I think the main musical theme and all the lyrics were hers. I think her producer just helped out with how to arrange verse/chorus to best purpose for radio.

Paul McCartney said that the music for Yesterday came to him practically all at once, but it took him almost a year to figure out what words to put to it.

More often I've read about even the best songwriters struggling for a month or more to get it nailed down.

Just proving your point, I hope.

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RE: Song writing is so bloody easy any fool can do it - 11/12/2017 5:21:13 AM

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Musicians often aren't brilliant with using language and their communication skills in general, which is why so many song lyrics default to cliches.
On the other hand, songwriters who come from a more literary background (Lou Reed, Morrissey, John Anderson, Robert Calvert, Peter Hammill, Bob Dylan, Patti Smith and Mick Farren all spring to mind for a start) can knock out a set of lyrics a lot faster.

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RE: Song writing is so bloody easy any fool can do it - 11/12/2017 7:26:18 AM

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Musicians often aren't brilliant with using language and their communication skills in general, which is why so many song lyrics default to cliches.
On the other hand, songwriters who come from a more literary background (Lou Reed, Morrissey, John Anderson, Robert Calvert, Peter Hammill, Bob Dylan, Patti Smith and Mick Farren all spring to mind for a start) can knock out a set of lyrics a lot faster.

It's that, but remember that J Lennon and Mick were no slouches in that department, not that they were match to those you mention. Just speaking to facility. They read a good bit, too, if their choice not being quite to the level of the others.

Dylan got away with inability to sing by way of using words and especially themes to make that into a musically viable and commercially salable persona, and being one of the very few 'great story tellers' who used the five chords and their infinite shuffling as good as anybody else, in his day, and of course a natural understanding of melody, which can provide forever, no matter what chords behind it.

Remember the Ray Davies discussion, too. From what I've read, some good bit of these songs were started by the lyrics. For these guys, just throw a few chords together behind it, and hope a good melody comes to it.

The reason I couldn't write anything (just musically) is because it flew by my head so fast I could never catch it.

Nature's way of telling me "You Are A Great Listener Of Music. You Must Spread The Word About Charles Ives And Anton Webern."

(Me) "What?! Me? You ARE kidding, right?"

Oh yes, but anyway I was also speaking to how hard it can be to finalise the music sometimes, no matter how musically or lyrically adept the songwriter.

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RE: Song writing is so bloody easy any fool can do it - 11/12/2017 9:24:59 AM

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I was forgetting Ray Davies there, so that's a good catch.

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RE: Song writing is so bloody easy any fool can do it - 11/12/2017 9:42:57 PM

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"Oh, this is such a good lick! Got to find the words for it."

"Hey, look at these words." "Yeah we've got to find the music for this."

Most any successful pop music writer interview I've delved into relates this common theme.

For those such as Pete Townshend or Ian Anderson (Jethro Tull), like Dylan or Ray Davies, their minds were so thematically linked as to words and music both, that whichever came to mind first immediately provoked the other.

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RE: Song writing is so bloody easy any fool can do it - 11/13/2017 9:11:42 AM

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That's why you get a lot of songwriting duos that break down as Mister Words and Mister Music: the ones where both halves are trying to do both at once often get a lot more prickly...

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RE: Song writing is so bloody easy any fool can do it - 11/13/2017 3:02:30 PM

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Certainly, that strict demarcation was in place for Gilbert & Sullivan, Rodgers & Hart/Hammerstien, Johnny Mercer and whoever (he wrote either the music OR the words, on whichever occasion), Burt Bacharach and Hal David, etc.

But JL and PM or Mick and Keef got all into each other's business when it came to process of getting a good idea (well, not always) to a good record.

And yes, in that instance things did indeed get "a lot more prickly" at times.

I avoided reading any Beatles bio stuff for two+ decades, but when I finally got around to it, I was at first amazed how they kept allowing the other to have input on their songs even in the last two years, while in every other way things were so rumbled. When one displayed his latest for the other, it was expected that the other might have not much to impart or might have a lot to say about it, and it was all well considered in every case.

On their last album, all four of them recorded as much as possible by themselves. They were just sick of looking at each other, I think. Who can blame? Maybe 50 14-18 hr. sessions doing 40 takes for every song on the "White Album" did them in, not sure. G Martin and Geoff Emerick and Ringo all quit on that album, so there's a clue.

But even still, Paul heard JL's demo of Come Together and thought it was a bit fast. He said it should be slowed down and be more bluesy. Guess who listened? After Paul's 48th take (or whatever it was) of Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da, JL felt need to put a stop to it and said "THIS is how we are going to start the song!" and played it. One more take, done.

So, we got some pretty decent stuff out of these "words and music" guys writing and composing alongside, but it did get a bit cantankerous at times, the Stones, too.

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