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do you know---along with mnottertroll and Thompson, you have to be one of one of the most disagreeable and vile people on here.

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Maybe you pretend otherwise to yourself

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but I can only imagine deep down inside how miserable your life must be if this is how you show yourself to people.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
What? Do you really think that a man who enjoys consensual sex should be compared to a serial murderer? Are you really equating all sex with rape?
Because if you are, you need some serious help.

You didn't mention consensual sex at all. You were talking about rape. If the sex was consensual then why is this topic even mentioned at all? EVERYONE is free to have as much consensual sex as they want without consequences except for potentially diseases if they aren't careful.

You mentioned that men get pleasure from Raping a woman and that is NOT consensual. So I was simply telling you that serial murderers gets pleasure from killing too.

You questioned why should the concept of "Rape" even exists because men should be able to take any woman they want to have sex with because men receive pleasure from it, so they should just take without getting accuse of rape.

Keep in mind that, NOT ALL animals receive pleasure form sex.

Feline are one animal that suffers excruciating pain and is always aggressively attacked by the male and raped for sex. Because their male counterparts has spiked penises. That's why you always see the female attack the male aggressively after he penetrates her because he is raping her. Animals are animals. They have no rights and no voice.

To even question WHY we should have the concept of rape is basically advocating rape.

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Rape is not part of evolution per se, just a human aberration.

if that is your position, then the question I posed about how does consent fit into evolutionary theory still needs to be answered.

on another hand, if you are an evolutionist (im not restricting myself to your "per se"), everything needs to be understood/explained in light of evolutionary theory. so how does rape, and by converse extension, consent, fit into that?

Do you have to look up aberration?

wtf?? your post addresses nothing I said.

the concept nevertheless needs to be explained IN LIGHT of evolutionary theory. simply defining the word "aberration" does not do that nor does dismissing/minimizing it.

Rape and evolutionary psychology

Evolutionary theories of rape

Theories of Sexual Coercion: Evolutionary

Rape and Evolution

Why Do Men Rape? An Evolutionary Psychological

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To even question WHY we should have the concept of rape is basically advocating rape.

greta, it most definitely is not. simply trying to intellectualize a particular perspective on some topic isn't tantamount to supporting what's being discussed.

I have a particular interest, and ive stated it a couple of times in the forum, about the history of the age of consent, how it appears in literature, and how its changed over time, why its so and what it means. you cannot take that and translate a desire to clarify thought and seek understanding to mean I want to have sex with a 12yr old.

what the OP posted really is an interesting topic, its too bad that so many others and ironically himself, ruined it.

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I have a particular interest, and ive stated it a couple of times in the forum, about the history of the age of consent, how it appears in literature, and how its changed over time, why its so and what it means. you cannot take that and translate a desire to clarify thought and seek understanding to mean I want to have sex with a 12yr old.

I don't really get what is the fascination of age of consent because in the long distance past. People didn't understand biology and psychology.

As we get more advance in understanding our bodies. While women can get pregnant at 10 yr old or 12 yr old. But we know how the pregnancy can kill some of them or damage their non-fully developed womb forever.

We also understand the psychology of being a mom. And also, we want to allow a child to be a child and enjoy their childhood. And let them be a mother when they are ready.

Some boys at 12 yr old may still be thinking "Ewwwwww" about sex.

Yet in the old days, old men can fuck 12 yr old girls when they should still be innocent and enjoying their childhood.

The difference between then and now is that we have more knowledge on what's the best welfare for a human being now.

And we created the concept of welfare. In the past, women don't even have rights. They were as good cattle. So they don't care about their welfare. They are just seen like broodmares.

I personally don't think there is anything interesting about age of consent. I think with knowledge and wanting more protection for children from sexual crimes and pedophiles. It is natural for the age of consent to be raised.

Also, I can't imagine anybody raising a daughter would want to ponder about why their daughter can't have sex at 12 yr old. And not be happy that, the older this age of consent is, the better! Just because, she is still immature to make decisions and understand what's going on. To process sexuality. And because she is 12. She deserves to have a childhood. Not be forced to be a woman at 12.

At 12 yr old, when I had a crush on a guy. It's like innocent, just holding hands and spending time together. Sex never occur to me or him, who was also 12. That's the way it should be.

In backwards society, some 12 yr olds are already slogging in hard labour since they were 8 yr old or something.

I'd tell you though that, I don't understand the "age limit" on work. More like the "type of work" permitted for kids should be regulated. Just because some kids like me do find work a great learning ground and also loads of fun. It doesn't have to be nasty or slave labouring. I think in modern society, children should be able to do some kind of work if they wanted to. Just basically have a few easy kid friendly jobs that are permitted.

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I don't know who raped you but you can stop laying it on me. If you even tried understand what I've said, you would know that I don't advocate rape and I started this thread by saying; "First a disclaimer, I believe in consent".

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And how in the world do you know what other species experience or not? When you asked your cat whether she had been raped what did she tell you? Or do you think you might be anthropomorphising a bit? As for "excruciating pain" there seem to be some people here, if what they say is to be believed, actually like "excruciating pain", who's to say that cats might not fall into that category?

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It's funny how Greta took your comment and basically turned it into that you "want to have sex with a 12yr old" and is trying to talk you out of it.

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In a discussion about Weinstein in the Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion (Where Have All the SJWs Gone?), the topic of consent came up and I thought it would make a good thread on its own but felt it belonged in General BDSM Discussion rather than the Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion.

First a disclaimer, I believe in consent and I'm not an evolutionist but since it seems most here are evolutionists, I will open from an evolutionist stand point.

Evolution says mankind has been here for millions of years and so it would seem consent and gender equality are relatively new concepts and so it begs the question are they things that mankind has evolved and if not then has mankind had a chance to evolve in response to them? Or are these just concepts laid in a thin veneer over deep set evolutionary programming we have received over billions of years of evolution?

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Is rape "meant to happen"? Is that the question? Really?

In the evolutionary "animal" world there is no such thing as rape, there is only mating with those ready to be bred.

So, the question is why does mankind even have a concept of rape?

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Then, as regards your first post:

First off, man has only been around for a couple of hundred thousand years (I think) and there's no doubt that societal changes are sometimes "forced" upon a population that is not ready for them. That's what we call politics or social engineering.

The fact that the populace isn't ready for these changes is evidenced by the strong opposition to them.



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Too general. What are you referring too?

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... it would seem consent and gender equality are relatively new concepts ...

No, always existed just now less resisted.

The 21st Century is a wonderful thing. 🖖

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No, I was simply explaining why it's no longer acceptable to have sex with 12 yr olds today compared to the past.

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I don't know why anybody is wondering about this! I mean, cave men wanna fuck 8 yr olds. I don't blame them. They know nothing but their urges. And some 10 yr old female got fully develop big boobs and period already, so they would seriously not know better.

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(PS: Talking about animals, I wonder if Pedophilia happens in animals at all, it seems like not. I mean like has any animal attempt to have sex with a 1 month old baby of their animal kind? Considering their 1 month old could be our 10 yr old.)

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But modern men want to fuck 12 yr olds with today's education and knowledge that we have!
That is a BIG problem!

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

In a discussion about Weinstein in the Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion (Where Have All the SJWs Gone?), the topic of consent came up and I thought it would make a good thread on its own but felt it belonged in General BDSM Discussion rather than the Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion.

First a disclaimer, I believe in consent and I'm not an evolutionist but since it seems most here are evolutionists, I will open from an evolutionist stand point.

Evolution says mankind has been here for millions of years and so it would seem consent and gender equality are relatively new concepts and so it begs the question are they things that mankind has evolved and if not then has mankind had a chance to evolve in response to them? Or are these just concepts laid in a thin veneer over deep set evolutionary programming we have received over billions of years of evolution?

Jumping in without having read the whole thing yet..the thing is, no one knows what life was like millions of years ago, so what these deep set evolutionary programs are - or if they exist - is anybody's guess.

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Is rape "meant to happen"? Is that the question? Really?

In the evolutionary "animal" world there is no such thing as rape, there is only mating with those ready to be bred.

So, the question is why does mankind even have a concept of rape?

Mating with those not ready to breed. maybe?

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As for females selecting, yes in some species they do, some they don't. In some species, the dominate males are the deciders. So what are humans? Male or female deciders? Why do you think so? Are humans just making it up as they go along?

I do not think there are any rules for humans other than mutual attraction. Now, I mean. I think (guess) that in much earlier days females would go into heat as other species do, and probably copulate with a number of males.

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... it would seem consent and gender equality are relatively new concepts ...

No, always existed just now less resisted.
The 21st Century is a wonderful thing. 🖖

I think so too.
I am not clear on where 'it would seem' comes from exactly.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

In a discussion about Weinstein in the Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion (Where Have All the SJWs Gone?), the topic of consent came up and I thought it would make a good thread on its own but felt it belonged in General BDSM Discussion rather than the Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion.

First a disclaimer, I believe in consent and I'm not an evolutionist but since it seems most here are evolutionists, I will open from an evolutionist stand point.

Evolution says mankind has been here for millions of years and so it would seem consent and gender equality are relatively new concepts and so it begs the question are they things that mankind has evolved and if not then has mankind had a chance to evolve in response to them? Or are these just concepts laid in a thin veneer over deep set evolutionary programming we have received over billions of years of evolution?