Milesnmiles
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact It's probably because there are just too many strawmen that you have chosen to put into this thread. Strawmen? Do even know what a Strawman argument is? quote:
ORIGINAL: LadyPact You've said repeatedly that you are concerned about the direction "the government" is going. From there, you went to the premise of illegal sex between two men in other countries which, correct me if I'm wrong, isn't a real concern of yours unless you intend to be boffing people outside of the USA any time soon. Yes, I’m concerned about the direction "the government" is going and mentioning what other governments in this world are doing about what they consider “illegal sex”, shows how far governments can go, which is a concern of mine. As for this whole “premise of illegal sex between two men in other countries which … isn't a real concern of yours unless you intend to be boffing people outside of the USA any time soon”, this is a Strawman argument because it has nothing to do with what governments can do and is just a meaningless diversion from the discussion at hand. quote:
ORIGINAL: LadyPact You've complain that I don't know the future. Actually I complained that you keep acting like you know the future, which neither of us know. quote:
ORIGINAL: LadyPact Are you assuming in the next few decades there is going to be some massive change in the criminal justice system that a complainant is going to be missing from this equation? No, I’m not assuming anything. I merely said I was concerned about the direction the government seems to be headed and history shows that it doesn’t have to take decades for a government to go from reasonably good to very bad. quote:
ORIGINAL: LadyPact In my opinion, the greatest concern about this are those situations where you have violated the law in some way. The person that you have engaged with makes a formal complaint because, for some reason, they believe they were not capable of giving informed, non-impaired consent. The other person was intoxicated, they aren't actually capable for consent by mental defect, the person is not of age to consent, or something along those lines. Any of these takes the person walking into a law enforcement agency to make a complaint against you. You seem to think that somehow I disagree with what you say here but I don’t. This is pretty much how things work in the USA as we speak. quote:
ORIGINAL: LadyPact (I'm not willing to play out Orwell's "1984" with you about 'Big Brother' bringing charges against you because I find that kind of nonsense too far into the ridiculous.) This is why I brought up the situation in other countries, just to show you that such things are not "nonsense too far into the ridiculous" and are being practiced as we speak in other countries and that perhaps you should open your eyes, because just saying “it can’t happen here” won't stop it from happening here. quote:
ORIGINAL: LadyPact I'm going to say something about third party reports as it relates to adults. As I said earlier, I do believe in the Good Samaritan theory. These are decent people who will call LEO because they think what they have witnessed is wrong and they don't want to see somebody get hurt. I've also seen it bastardized. Stupid crap like a certain person calling in false reports because they were banned from club X, or because person A chose to date person B, rather than person C, so person C called the cops, or person D didn't approve of the consensual activities of other adults, and they decided to stick their nose in other people's bedrooms. I'll agree with you that some people do that kind of thing out of jealousy, envy, or spite. Okay but that’s not what I was talking about. quote:
ORIGINAL: LadyPact Do you know what fixes the latter category? The person you are actually engaging with being willing to say that they want to do whatever it is that you're doing. It's going to suck and it's going to be embarrassing, but it can be done, and it's a real easy way to get an investigation closed. Okay but that’s not what I was talking about. quote:
ORIGINAL: LadyPact I'm going to say something else, too. I take this stuff just as seriously as I think any male top should. I hold myself to the same standard that I think you should be doing. It takes me just as long to touch somebody's junk without their consent as it does you. Okay but that’s not what I was talking about. quote:
ORIGINAL: LadyPact If I do so, I'm just as guilty as you. I not sure what you’re implying I’m “guilty” of but unless it is a ticket for parking, you have no idea what in the world you’re talking about.
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