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RE: Al Franken Sexual Assault Claimed - 11/20/2017 8:08:44 PM   
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Where does the Hypocrite Party stand on this one



Didn't matter with rapist Bill Clinton

Nothing matters more with Trump and Moore

Now? No big deal?

http://www.kabc.com/2017/11/16/leeann-tweeden-on-senator-al-franken/
That woman - like many others on this subject - is comprehensively full of shit.

Take a good note of what's going on people. This is what's known as a moral panic. "Watch out everyone! All men are rapists!!!"

Most of this is simple naked opportunism. Those taking advantages of a sudden savage shift in social mores.

This will not end well.


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RE: Al Franken Sexual Assault Claimed - 11/20/2017 10:22:22 PM   
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I actually somewhat agree with Awareness.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/entertainment/celebrity/jeremy-piven-takes-and-passes-polygraph-amid-sex-assault-allegations/ar-BBFp9uJ?li=AAjnRI7&ocid=spartandhp

The endless rape/sexual assault accusations have made a lot of prominent (and more importantly, wealthy) men vulnerable, and it seems the opportunists are rising to the occasion.

It isn't good for anyone to have so many allegations floating around, especially when they range from totally false to immature pranks with sexual undertones (Franken) to full blown rape of a (or more than just one) minor (Moore).

The lines between the incidents are blurring because of the timing as well as the media treating them like the most exciting story since Trump embarrassed the US on the global stage for the millionth time.

There is definitely a sort of hysteria that takes over when dealing with these issues and not everyone is capable of making the distinctions that need to be made, especially when it has become so politicized.

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RE: Al Franken Sexual Assault Claimed - 11/20/2017 11:31:37 PM   
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I actually somewhat agree with Awareness.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/entertainment/celebrity/jeremy-piven-takes-and-passes-polygraph-amid-sex-assault-allegations/ar-BBFp9uJ?li=AAjnRI7&ocid=spartandhp

The endless rape/sexual assault accusations have made a lot of prominent (and more importantly, wealthy) men vulnerable, and it seems the opportunists are rising to the occasion.

It isn't good for anyone to have so many allegations floating around, especially when they range from totally false to immature pranks with sexual undertones (Franken) to full blown rape of a (or more than just one) minor (Moore).

The lines between the incidents are blurring because of the timing as well as the media treating them like the most exciting story since Trump embarrassed the US on the global stage for the millionth time.

There is definitely a sort of hysteria that takes over when dealing with these issues and not everyone is capable of making the distinctions that need to be made, especially when it has become so politicized.



I mostly agree with both you and DS.
I have points of disagreement, but im too tired.




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RE: Al Franken Sexual Assault Claimed - 11/21/2017 5:04:06 AM   
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An example of another moral panic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial

The problem with the public record is that it has no reliable institutional memory.

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RE: Al Franken Sexual Assault Claimed - 11/21/2017 5:53:05 AM   
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I actually somewhat agree with Awareness.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/entertainment/celebrity/jeremy-piven-takes-and-passes-polygraph-amid-sex-assault-allegations/ar-BBFp9uJ?li=AAjnRI7&ocid=spartandhp

The endless rape/sexual assault accusations have made a lot of prominent (and more importantly, wealthy) men vulnerable, and it seems the opportunists are rising to the occasion.

It isn't good for anyone to have so many allegations floating around, especially when they range from totally false to immature pranks with sexual undertones (Franken) to full blown rape of a (or more than just one) minor (Moore).

The lines between the incidents are blurring because of the timing as well as the media treating them like the most exciting story since Trump embarrassed the US on the global stage for the millionth time.

There is definitely a sort of hysteria that takes over when dealing with these issues and not everyone is capable of making the distinctions that need to be made, especially when it has become so politicized.

Not defending the cretin, but just want to point out that Moore hasn't been accused of rape. Sexual assault, yes. Rape, no.

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RE: Al Franken Sexual Assault Claimed - 11/21/2017 6:23:36 AM   
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Not defending the cretin, but just want to point out that Moore hasn't been accused of rape. Sexual assault, yes. Rape, no.


Sexual assault of a minor should be considered rape. I know that's what I consider it to be.

Sexual assault on a minor makes one a pedophile in my book.





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RE: Al Franken Sexual Assault Claimed - 11/21/2017 6:39:30 AM   
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Does anyone actually look at this photo and think 'that fucking pervert was so turned on'?
I mostly got the impression that he thought she was an uptight, vapid bitch and was deliberately antagonizing her for the lulz.

Over a decade later, she's still bitter about it and saw an opportunity for revenge.

It's not appropriate, but it's a far cry from the overtly predatory sexual nature of the Trump/Moore stuff.

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RE: Al Franken Sexual Assault Claimed - 11/21/2017 6:52:43 AM   
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Not defending the cretin, but just want to point out that Moore hasn't been accused of rape. Sexual assault, yes. Rape, no.


Sexual assault of a minor should be considered rape. I know that's what I consider it to be.

Sexual assault on a minor makes one a pedophile in my book.





Regardless, it isn't rape. And it doesn't help discussions about the topic to characterize it as something that it isn't.

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RE: Al Franken Sexual Assault Claimed - 11/21/2017 7:24:26 AM   
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Regardless, it isn't rape. And it doesn't help discussions about the topic to characterize it as something that it isn't.


Yes! Accuracy is paramount! We wouldn't want to accuse people for things of which they are not guilty. That would be wrong.



Quality!





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RE: Al Franken Sexual Assault Claimed - 11/21/2017 7:42:13 AM   
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It also cheapens the victims, and their chances of being believed.
Adult and child.
Rape is not molestation, rape is not harassment, rape is not assault.
They are different, to a victim, and to the "perpetrator" chances in a court.
Public opinion can be ignorant as hell. And ignored .

Backlash is already starting, and getting uglier.
Anyone making false accusations should be fully punished for it, it peeves the fuck out of me.
Lines most definitely are being blurred.
a lot of it is wanting to ignore the reality of how deep abuse can go, and how many people are in denial.
It is being addressed, as it should, it was bound to be a mess when people actually talk about the reality
The difference between "Presumed Consent", and "Informed Consent" needs to be understood, and the problems with getting them mixed up.



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RE: Al Franken Sexual Assault Claimed - 11/21/2017 8:10:10 AM   
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Does anyone actually look at this photo and think 'that fucking pervert was so turned on'?
I mostly got the impression that he thought she was an uptight, vapid bitch and was deliberately antagonizing her for the lulz.

Over a decade later, she's still bitter about it and saw an opportunity for revenge.

It's not appropriate, but it's a far cry from the overtly predatory sexual nature of the Trump/Moore stuff.


Did you read what she wrote about that trip? That wasn't al that he did to her. So, yeah.

I asked a question in the OP, thank you for your very honest answer btw

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RE: Al Franken Sexual Assault Claimed - 11/21/2017 8:13:53 AM   
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and another:

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Well, the butcher’s bill for sexual misconduct just added another name: Charlie Rose. Eight women have accused Rose, who serves as a co-host for CBS This Morning and acts as a contributing reporter for 60 Minutes, of sexual misconduct. They all worked or had applied to work on his PBS show, Charlie Rose. The Washington Post had a lengthy article on the subject. Most of the women refused to go on-the-record out of fear of retribution, though they allege that Mr. Rose had a “volatile temper,” which was peppered with lewd phone calls, being naked in their presence, and inappropriate touching of their breasts and genital regions. In a statement to the Post, Rose offered a rather vague statement, where he apologized for some aspects of his past behavior, though he never explicitly cited which actions he was showing contrition for...


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/11/20/cbs-anchor-charlie-rose-suspended-following-sexual-harassment-allegations-n2412128

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RE: Al Franken Sexual Assault Claimed - 11/21/2017 8:23:09 AM   
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Charlie Rose has been suspended.
Trump is still in the white house, and moore is still running for the senate.

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RE: Al Franken Sexual Assault Claimed - 11/21/2017 8:23:35 AM   
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and another:

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Well, the butcher’s bill for sexual misconduct just added another name: Charlie Rose. Eight women have accused Rose, who serves as a co-host for CBS This Morning and acts as a contributing reporter for 60 Minutes, of sexual misconduct. They all worked or had applied to work on his PBS show, Charlie Rose. The Washington Post had a lengthy article on the subject. Most of the women refused to go on-the-record out of fear of retribution, though they allege that Mr. Rose had a “volatile temper,” which was peppered with lewd phone calls, being naked in their presence, and inappropriate touching of their breasts and genital regions. In a statement to the Post, Rose offered a rather vague statement, where he apologized for some aspects of his past behavior, though he never explicitly cited which actions he was showing contrition for...


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/11/20/cbs-anchor-charlie-rose-suspended-following-sexual-harassment-allegations-n2412128


I didn't see it mentioned in the above quote, but he's also been suspended from PBS which is whence the allegations originate. I would think that would be called for while CBS might have wanted to wait and see what happens through an investigation.

Just a thought.



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RE: Al Franken Sexual Assault Claimed - 11/21/2017 8:37:05 AM   
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And another:

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Michigan Rep. John Conyers, a Democrat and the longest-serving member of the House of Representatives, settled a wrongful dismissal complaint in 2015 with a former employee who alleged she was fired because she would not “succumb to [his] sexual advances.”

Documents from the complaint obtained by BuzzFeed News include four signed affidavits, three of which are notarized, from former staff members who allege that Conyers, the ranking Democrat on the powerful House Judiciary Committee, repeatedly made sexual advances to female staff that included requests for sex acts, contacting and transporting other women with whom they believed Conyers was having affairs, caressing their hands sexually, and rubbing their legs and backs in public. Four people involved with the case verified the documents are authentic.



https://www.buzzfeed.com/paulmcleod/she-complained-that-a-powerful-congressman-harassed-her?utm_term=.yuRZWwqdB#.wiDdlJQWV



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RE: Al Franken Sexual Assault Claimed - 11/21/2017 8:39:47 AM   
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Charlie Rose has been suspended.
Trump is still in the white house, and moore is still running for the senate.


Bubba Clinton, the rapist, was reelected and is still widely heralded by leftist trash as gods gift to humanity

Feminazi hags even offered to blow him because he pushes leftist politics

Always two standards, which is the whole point of the thread

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RE: Al Franken Sexual Assault Claimed - 11/21/2017 9:19:51 AM   
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Charlie Rose has been suspended.
Trump is still in the white house, and moore is still running for the senate.


Bubba Clinton, the rapist, was reelected and is still widely heralded by leftist trash as gods gift to humanity

Feminazi hags even offered to blow him because he pushes leftist politics

Always two standards, which is the whole point of the thread

bubba clinton was in the court of public opinion 20+ years ago and every week or so since.
dunno if you noticed, but times have changed. He cant be tried in a court of law, he cant be dismissed, he cant be impeached, has he had new accusers? could you please show me them???

bill is no longer president, or likely to be a senator, or a house member ever again.

I see your need to hold onto the past and only concentrate on dems, I understand.
You can call him a rapist all you want, but surely it doesn't mean that child molesters, and trump, Shortey, should be called any different. surely????
What? it does? wow, your mental acuity is broken beyond repair.

You can try to ignore trumps and moores accusers all you want. They aren't going away.
PS you are the one unable to see the double standard.
You are ignoring the republicans accusers, completely.
Because of your political bias, because of your whole ideology about women.
Even by your "standards" Republicans who support Moore(applying the associated guilt) are defending and gonna vote a child molester into the senate. over party and talibangelical "rightist family values".






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RE: Al Franken Sexual Assault Claimed - 11/21/2017 9:46:59 AM   
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Charlie Rose has been suspended.
Trump is still in the white house, and moore is still running for the senate.


Bubba Clinton, the rapist, was reelected and is still widely heralded by leftist trash as gods gift to humanity

Feminazi hags even offered to blow him because he pushes leftist politics

Always two standards, which is the whole point of the thread

bubba clinton was in the court of public opinion 20+ years ago and every week or so since.
dunno if you noticed, but times have changed. He cant be tried in a court of law, he cant be dismissed, he cant be impeached, has he had new accusers? could you please show me them???

bill is no longer president, or likely to be a senator, or a house member ever again.

I see your need to hold onto the past and only concentrate on dems, I understand.
You can call him a rapist all you want, but surely it doesn't mean that child molesters, and trump, Shortey, should be called any different. surely????
What? it does? wow, your mental acuity is broken beyond repair.

You can try to ignore trumps and moores accusers all you want. They aren't going away.
PS you are the one unable to see the double standard.
You are ignoring the republicans accusers, completely.
Because of your political bias, because of your whole ideology about women.
Even by your "standards" Republicans who support Moore(applying the associated guilt) are defending and gonna vote a child molester into the senate. over party and talibangelical "rightist family values".







I'm not ignoring anything, hag - that's only in your cartoonish alternate reality

Bubba is getting skewered now, in the court of public opinion. Suddenly it's not in vogue to attack female accusers as Hillary routinely did

All because leftist trash has to use female accusers to claw their way back to power now. That is literally all you have. You can't debate an actual topic to save your lives, your divisive hate politics are failing you, and the rest of your issues are all losers

The very best leftist trash can do (time and time again) is to try to make politics personal, or employ other such fallacies and diversions





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RE: Al Franken Sexual Assault Claimed - 11/21/2017 10:57:20 AM   
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I rest my case.

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RE: Al Franken Sexual Assault Claimed - 11/21/2017 11:55:43 AM   
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I think we've crossed over into the ridiculous, now.

Charlie Rose has just been fired from CBS and I can't find anything about any of his accusers being willing to make public accusations.

So, from a cloak of anonymity, they can ruin a career. This is starting to remind me of an Arthur Miller novel.

Yes, serious charges, but so is the destruction of a career that took years to build. How can we even investigate, if there are no "concrete" charges? "Person A claims you did X to her"

"Okay. When and where did this happen?"

"She won't say. She's afraid of 'retaliation'"

"If I didn't hire her, how can I retaliate?"

Some will say: "Well, she can be blacklisted" Really? In this climate, I would think they'd go to the head of the line, just by dint of sympathy and virtue signalling.

All the articles I read mentioned "past employees and would be employees". People didn't get a job so they're pissed and launch accusations behind a cloak of anonymity? Could it be they're just being a bit vengeful?





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