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RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims - 11/28/2017 8:22:47 AM

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um no, there are tons of places around the world where people kill each other more than americans do.

I am sure you are right in your statement...but...

According to the...Centers for Disease Control and Prevention U.S. Department of Health and Human Services....The most recent analysis of data from 23 industrialized nations shows that 87 percent of the children under age 15 killed by guns in these nations lived in the United States.

Nothing to be proud of and I think at least does lend some credence to PeonForHer's statement.

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RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims - 11/28/2017 8:35:19 AM

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um no, there are tons of places around the world where people kill each other more than americans do.

I am sure you are right in your statement...but...

According to the...Centers for Disease Control and Prevention U.S. Department of Health and Human Services....The most recent analysis of data from 23 industrialized nations shows that 87 percent of the children under age 15 killed by guns in these nations lived in the United States.

Nothing to be proud of and I think at least does lend some credence to PeonForHer's statement.

Butch

Mostly in deep blue inner cities

Eliminate them and the US stacks up well enough against every country with similar demographics

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RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims - 11/28/2017 8:43:09 AM

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But they are ours and we cannot eliminate them...More men women and children are gunned down in St. Louis alone this year then all of the UK...so I can at least understand PeonForHer's position. Myself when it comes to children being murdered with guns I don't care if they are blue... they all bleed red.

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RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims - 11/28/2017 9:08:32 AM

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But they are ours and we cannot eliminate them...More men women and children are gunned down in St. Louis alone this year then all of the UK...so I can at least understand PeonForHer's position. Myself when it comes to children being murdered with guns I don't care if they are blue... they all bleed red.

Butch

Shootings in blue States are something else that the evil liberal conspiracy is arranging to try to make the republicans look bad.

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RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims - 11/28/2017 9:21:43 AM

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But they are ours and we cannot eliminate them...More men women and children are gunned down in St. Louis alone this year then all of the UK...so I can at least understand PeonForHer's position. Myself when it comes to children being murdered with guns I don't care if they are blue... they all bleed red.

Butch

Shootings in blue States are something else that the evil liberal conspiracy is arranging to try to make the republicans look bad.

I do think the areas of denser populations tend to be more open to gun control and Blue. More people with more guns in close proximity means more gun violence. This presents different problems than many Red states. I think not understanding this difference presents a misunderstanding as to the need of more control of guns between the general groups. It is not political at all but necessity.

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RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims - 11/28/2017 10:37:29 AM

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um no, there are tons of places around the world where people kill each other more than americans do.

I am sure you are right in your statement...but...

According to the...Centers for Disease Control and Prevention U.S. Department of Health and Human Services....The most recent analysis of data from 23 industrialized nations shows that 87 percent of the children under age 15 killed by guns in these nations lived in the United States.

Nothing to be proud of and I think at least does lend some credence to PeonForHer's statement.

Butch

Mostly in deep blue inner cities

Eliminate them and the US stacks up well enough against every country with similar demographics

care to back that up with some evidence????
you cant eliminate "blue" cities, without doing the same with other countries.
You cant eliminate gangs or drugs figures without doing the same in other countries.
The US only stacks up well with central and south america(mostly christian countries), russia,west and southern africa and india in the numbers of actual murders(not just per capita)

eliminate drugs, gangs, and liberalism, from those countries too, yanno to level*hahahah* the playing field. and you still have US right up there with third world countries.

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RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims - 11/29/2017 3:42:42 AM

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You're attempting to use a left-wing rag notable for its inability to tell the truth as your source? Are you mad?

No, I'm succeeding in using a publication that cites the work of an Ivy League professor of political science, A. Myself, I tend to find such sources more reliable than I do ludicrous Australian fruitcakes with narcissistic personality disorder who have an inferiority complex about people who have academic qualifications like those of the professor in question, and whose chief purpose on this forum is to assert his alpha credentials in a way that he can't do anywhere else. Of course his points had nothing to do with looking down on Americans, or being 'effete', or any of the other nutty little charges you've boiled up in your head from the raw materials of festering resentment plus god knows what.

Look, A, seriously: in truth, I don't know about the NPD thing. I'm not a psychoanalyst. But your desire to 'win' on this forum is way, way too important to you - to the degree that I'm sure that there's something, anyway, that's badly wrong with you. It's made your personality, at least as you present it here, too ugly for me to want to read what you say, or to talk to you. In general it feels like there's no advantage to it: accepting your repeated challenges - as you clearly want me to do - would be like having a wrestling match with a man in a cesspit. No matter the outcome, I'd end up stinking and covered in filth.

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RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims - 11/29/2017 4:07:11 AM

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there are tons of places around the world where people kill each other more than americans do.

Of course there are. The figures, that both of us have seen, are plain.

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most importantly, people can be incredibly well reasoned, educated, and compassionate, and simply believe differently than you, and value different things, without being "primitive."

True. But, to me, murder just is primitive, and so is racism. Re the latter: I know that you've not said this yourself, Bounty, but when I read insane statements like 'Islam is a death cult' (which you haven't personally made, I know), after mixing with the Muslims that I know, I can't help but catch the whiff of racism. And what's the logical corollary of a belief that 'Islam is a death cult'? Really, if people here truly believed that, why aren't they out hatching ways to kill off the members of said death cult? I mean, were there to be any Muslims reading such stuff here, wouldn't that be at least what they'd sometimes imagine? I don't get why a few people here, it seems, want to frighten the poor, blameless sods living amongst us any more than they're already frightened.

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RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims - 12/2/2017 12:50:42 PM

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Well, what can I say? You have me, bounty, and no mistake. I *am* smug and pompous about the fact that here in Britain, and indeed everywhere in the First World outside of the USA, we've arranged it such that there isn't a mass-murder going on on a monthly basis. It isn't just 'us on the left', though, it's all of us - on the right, too, and everywhere else in the middle. It's all of us non-Americans. You Americans like killing each other more than the rest of us do. Straightforward cultural difference. Just to straighten you out there.

A bit of relevant news from the "ever so civilized" isle of short death-cult-loving idiots with bad teeth:

Fear in London as acid attacks soar

London (AFP) - Delivery rider Jabed Hussain was waiting at a traffic light one night in east London when two attackers sprayed acid in his face and stole his moped.

It was one of hundreds of attacks in the British capital every year that have prompted government intervention and left the city's police force asking the public for help to tackle the crime wave.

Hussain recalled feeling "burning on my face" during the robbery in Hackney.

"If they want to take my bike, there are a lot of weapons... why (have) they got to choose the weapon of acid?" he told AFP as he returned to the spot where the attack happened.

The number of assaults is increasing rapidly.

The British capital saw 454 acid attacks reported last year, up from 261 in 2015 and 166 the year before...

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RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims - 12/2/2017 1:19:24 PM

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Nearly 15 thousand plus killed by guns, and how many injured? roughly 21,000
670 were under the age of 11.
But the important thing to point out that hateful bigots went for a muslim with acid? how many were against women, how many against muslim women, how many against whites? how many against christians? who are the perps?
At least he wont need to pay for his extensive recovery in the UK.
Poor bastard.
How many of those vegas victims killed dead by a white gunman had to set up gofundme to pay for recoveries?

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RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims - 12/2/2017 1:35:54 PM

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But they are ours and we cannot eliminate them...More men women and children are gunned down in St. Louis alone this year then all of the UK...so I can at least understand PeonForHer's position. Myself when it comes to children being murdered with guns I don't care if they are blue... they all bleed red.

Butch

I don't care if they use guns.

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RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims - 12/2/2017 4:04:26 PM

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But they are ours and we cannot eliminate them...More men women and children are gunned down in St. Louis alone this year then all of the UK...so I can at least understand PeonForHer's position. Myself when it comes to children being murdered with guns I don't care if they are blue... they all bleed red.

Butch

Shootings in blue States are something else that the evil liberal conspiracy is arranging to try to make the republicans look bad.

I do think the areas of denser populations tend to be more open to gun control and Blue. More people with more guns in close proximity means more gun violence. This presents different problems than many Red states. I think not understanding this difference presents a misunderstanding as to the need of more control of guns between the general groups. It is not political at all but necessity.

Butch

So rural America should accept gun control to make urban America feel better, because whatever the city dwellers want
is needed an what rural America wants is just something they want.
After all city dwellers are better, wiser, and smarter than the rest of us.

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RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims - 12/2/2017 6:03:11 PM

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So rural America should accept gun control to make urban America feel better, because whatever the city dwellers want
is needed an what rural America wants is just something they want.
After all city dwellers are better, wiser, and smarter than the rest of us.

Bama I was just pointing out the difference guns make in urban as opposed to rural environments.... It is not conservatives VS liberals as you and B man like to think... It is not ever urban VS rural...stronger gun control laws are more of a necessity in many big cities.

I believe the will of the people should rule...If they want to prohibit concealable weapons within their governing limits they should be able to...not against the 2nd amendment... If they want prohibit the open carry of AR-15 type weapons they should be able to...not against the 2nd amendment. If they want to require that private gun sales be reported with background check requirement they should be able to... not against the second amendment.

If a rural community wants none of the above so be it... not against the 2nd amendment.

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RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims - 12/2/2017 6:16:31 PM

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So rural America should accept gun control to make urban America feel better, because whatever the city dwellers want
is needed an what rural America wants is just something they want.
After all city dwellers are better, wiser, and smarter than the rest of us.

Bama I was just pointing out the difference guns make in urban as opposed to rural environments.... It is not conservatives VS liberals as you and B man like to think... It is not ever urban VS rural...stronger gun control laws are more of a necessity in many big cities.

I believe the will of the people should rule...If they want to prohibit concealable weapons within their governing limits they should be able to...not against the 2nd amendment... If they want prohibit the open carry of AR-15 type weapons they should be able to...not against the 2nd amendment. If they want to require that private gun sales be reported with background check requirement they should be able to... not against the second amendment.

If a rural community wants none of the above so be it... not against the 2nd amendment.

Butch

That is the opposite of what you said and SCOUTUS disagrees with you.
If you believed that rural areas wouldn't matter now would they.
The common refrain from gun grabbers is that no gun law will work in cesspools like
Chicago and St. louis is because other places don't have the same laws.

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RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims - 12/2/2017 6:21:03 PM

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How is it opposite of what I said? and for the rest of your post... it makes no sense at all.

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RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims - 12/2/2017 7:02:54 PM

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So rural America should accept gun control to make urban America feel better, because whatever the city dwellers want
is needed an what rural America wants is just something they want.
After all city dwellers are better, wiser, and smarter than the rest of us.

Bama I was just pointing out the difference guns make in urban as opposed to rural environments.... It is not conservatives VS liberals as you and B man like to think... It is not ever urban VS rural...stronger gun control laws are more of a necessity in many big cities.

I believe the will of the people should rule...If they want to prohibit concealable weapons within their governing limits they should be able to...not against the 2nd amendment... If they want prohibit the open carry of AR-15 type weapons they should be able to...not against the 2nd amendment. If they want to require that private gun sales be reported with background check requirement they should be able to... not against the second amendment.

If a rural community wants none of the above so be it... not against the 2nd amendment.

Butch

We have no law against carrying an AR in public and we have no problem with it.
You know why? Because it is stupid. The only cars I see with open firearms sitting
in them are police cars . Are we really enough smarter than people around
you that we don't need near the laws that you do, looks like it.

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RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims - 12/2/2017 7:22:03 PM

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You didn't answer how my post was opposite.

In my area you can carry an AR-15 anywhere you can carry a hand gun. It is a state law and municipalities are not allowed to overrule state law... Yes it is stupid of our Republican legislature.

The will of the people was expressed in voting down conceal and carry state wide...but the state legislature overruled the vote. Duly elected municipal representatives at behest of their electorate are not allowed to make gun law, even if constitutional.

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RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims - 12/2/2017 7:41:37 PM

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You didn't answer how my post was opposite.

In my area you can carry an AR-15 anywhere you can carry a hand gun. It is a state law and municipalities are not allowed to overrule state law... Yes it is stupid of our Republican legislature.

The will of the people was expressed in voting down conceal and carry state wide...but the state legislature overruled the vote. Duly elected municipal representatives at behest of their electorate are not allowed to make gun law, even if constitutional.

Butch

No carrying open, particularly a long gun is stupid.
Does the state have the power to allow it?
Show me a state legislature that hasn't done that with some issue.
This time it happens to be on an issue you don't agree with.
Besides, the vote went that way because of the vast amount
of out of state money that campaigned against it.

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RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims - 12/2/2017 8:05:15 PM

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No the vote went that way because... that is how the people voted... that is what counts nothing else.

You still did not say how my post was opposite.

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RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims - 12/2/2017 8:14:29 PM

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But they are ours and we cannot eliminate them...More men women and children are gunned down in St. Louis alone this year then all of the UK...so I can at least understand PeonForHer's position. Myself when it comes to children being murdered with guns I don't care if they are blue... they all bleed red.

Butch

Shootings in blue States are something else that the evil liberal conspiracy is arranging to try to make the republicans look bad.

I do think the areas of denser populations tend to be more open to gun control and Blue. More people with more guns in close proximity means more gun violence. This presents different problems than many Red states. I think not understanding this difference presents a misunderstanding as to the need of more control of guns between the general groups. It is not political at all but necessity.

Butch

You refer to gun control as needed period, not in some places but absolutely.

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