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longwayhome -> RE: While I feel sorry for the sensible Brits (12/19/2017 12:13:46 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Awareness
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
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"Brexit: Britons now back Remain over Leave by 10 points, exclusive poll shows"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-second-referendum-latest-poll-remain-ten-points-leave-bmg-a8114406.html
So ... another referendum? At one end of the argument we have the line 'Ah, so you just want to keep having referendums till you get the right answer, eh?' At the other end, one might ask the question 'Are we stuck, forever, with what a majority once supported - no matter what new evidence comes to light, no matter what new thinking?'
Anybody who thought this Brexit process was going to be smooth ... was wrong, and will be even more wrong as time passes, it seems.
Yes, the Party likes to throw propaganda at its citizens until they vote the way it wants them to.
Leftist media propaganda doesn't justify nullifying the popular vote. The people have spoken.
The level of deception in left-wing media these days is absolutely disgusting.
The people have indeed spoken, but pray tell me o wise Awareness, what have they actually said?
To start off with this was an incredible knife edge vote with both sides representing a wide range of views. Working out what kind of settlement the "majority" wanted is difficult if not impossible (before you even get onto what people think now after months of difficult negotiations).
The problem is that most people in practice wanted us to have a close economic relationship with Europe, a position shared by the "in" voters as well as the more moderate "out" voters.
The only thing we really know is that a narrow majority voted to leave the EU political institutions. A smaller number would like to see a immigration tackled differently (despite the fact that those people were more concerned about non-EU migration, something the UK government controlled anyway) and a smaller number still want to see a complete economic split with Europe.
The government having gone to the polls and lost MPs is now in the position where the hardline Brexteers in the party have the ability to dictate to the government, unless it does the unthinkable and allies itself with the opposition to force through the softer Brexit the majority of the population wants.
Actually there is very little in the way of an attempt to nullify the popular vote, despite your insinuation to the contrary.
Bizarrely however we may end up with a far harder and more damaging Brexit than the majority of people want because of the parliamentary arithmetic, rather than the direct will of the people. The attempt to grant more democracy to the people of the UK by giving them a referendum would then paradoxically have resulted in a distinctly non-democratic outcome.
Your gross simplification of the "will of the people" is something even hardline Brexiteers have generally moved past, particularly because it is now obvious that reality is so much more complicated than the single yes/no referendum question.
There is very little talk of re-running the referendum but there is a desire to scrutinise the final agreement that has become far more widespread than in the immediate aftermath of the referendum when even suggesting a meaningful parliamentary vote (much less a referendum) on the final result of negotiations would have been regarded as betraying the "people" by many.
This complexity is what the UK media (left and right) has been reflecting recently rather than "deception" and "propaganda" as you suggest.
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