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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 1/7/2018 6:15:10 PM   
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Oh my Peon! Your lists are BIGGER than Bosco's lists! (swoons)


I reckon it's the longest post ever on CollarChat. What do you think?

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 1/7/2018 6:24:17 PM   
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Oh my Peon! Your lists are BIGGER than Bosco's lists! (swoons)


A big list of Muslim terror attacks

...Terror attacks "condemned" by groups like CAIR:

Is CAIR a Terror Group?

A prominent Arab government thinks so. We who follow the Islamist movement fell off our collective chair on November 15, when the news came that the United Arab Emirates’ ministerial cabinet had listed the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) as one of 83 proscribed terrorist organizations, up there with the Taliban, al-Qaeda, and ISIS.

This came as a surprise because the UAE authorities themselves have a record of promoting Islamism; because CAIR has a history of raising funds in the UAE; and because the UAE embassy in Washington had previously praised CAIR.

On reflection, however, the listing makes sense for, in recent years, the Islamist movement has gravely fractured. Sunnis fight Shiites; advocates of violence struggle against those working within the system; modernizers do battle against those trying to return to the seventh century; and monarchists confront republicans.

This last divide concerns us here. After decades of working closely with the Muslim Brotherhood (MB) and its related institutions, the Persian Gulf monarchies (with the single, striking exception of Qatar) have come to see the MB complex of institutions as a threat to their existence. The Saudi, Emirati, Kuwaiti, and Bahraini rulers now view politicians like Mohamed Morsi of Egypt as their enemies, as they do Hamas and its progeny — including CAIR.

While the Gulf monarchs have not become any less Islamist, they have acquired a clear-eyed appreciation of the harm that MB-related groups can do.

Having explained why the UAE listed CAIR on its terror manifest, we must ask a second question: Is the listing warranted? Can a Washington-based organization with ties to the Obama White House, the U.S. Congress, leading media outlets, and prestigious universities truly be an instigator of terrorism?

CAIR can rightly be so characterized. True, it does not set off bombs, but, as the UAE’s foreign minister explains, “Our threshold is quite low. . . . We cannot accept incitement or funding.” Indeed, CAIR incites, funds, and does much more vis-à-vis terrorism:

It apologizes for terrorist groups: Challenged repeatedly to denounce Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorist groups, CAIR denounces the acts of violence but not their sponsors.

It is connected to Hamas: Hamas, designated a terrorist organization by the U.S. and many other governments, indirectly created CAIR and the two groups remain tight. Examples: In 1994, CAIR head Nihad Awad publicly declared his support for Hamas; the Holy Land Foundation (HLF), a Hamas front group, contributed $5,000 to CAIR; in turn, CAIR exploited the 9/11 attacks to raise money for HLF; and, this past August, demonstrators at a CAIR-sponsored rally in Florida proclaimed “We are Hamas!”

It settled a lawsuit: CAIR initiated a libel lawsuit in 2004 over five statements by a group called Anti-CAIR. But two years later, CAIR settled the suit with prejudice (meaning that it cannot be reopened), implicitly acknowledging the accuracy of Anti-CAIR’s assertions, which included: “CAIR is a terrorist supporting front organization that is partially funded by terrorists”;

“CAIR . . . is supported by terrorist supporting individuals, groups and countries”;

“CAIR has proven links to, and was founded by, Islamic terrorists”; and

“CAIR actively supports terrorists and terrorist supporting groups and nations.”

It includes individuals accused of terrorism: At least seven board members or staff at CAIR have been arrested, denied entry to the U.S., or were indicted on or pled guilty to (or were convicted of) terrorist charges: Siraj Wahhaj, Bassem Khafagi, Randall (“Ismail”) Royer, Ghassan Elashi, Rabih Haddad, Muthanna Al-Hanooti, and Nabil Sadoun.

It is in trouble with the law: Federal prosecutors in 2007 named CAIR (along with two other Islamic organizations) as “unindicted co-conspirators and/or joint venturers” in a criminal conspiracy to support Hamas financially. In 2008, the FBI ended contacts with CAIR because of concern about its continuing terrorist ties.

On learning of the UAE listing, CAIR called it “shocking and bizarre,” then got to work to have the Department of State protest and undo the ruling. Nothing loath, department spokesperson Jeff Rathke noted that the U.S. government, which “does not consider these organizations to be terrorist organizations,” has asked for more information about the UAE decision. The UAE minister of state for foreign affairs replied that if organizations can show that their “approach has changed,” they are eligible to appeal “to have their names eliminated from the list.”

Pressure from the Obama administration might reverse the UAE listing. Even so, this will not undo its lasting damage. For the first time, an Islamist government has exposed the malign, terroristic quality of CAIR — a stigma CAIR can never escape.


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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 1/7/2018 6:24:45 PM   
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pretty close
and kicked the "muslims dont oppose terrorism" (paraphrased) dickwaddery in the gut.

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 1/7/2018 6:38:52 PM   
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pretty close
and kicked the "muslims dont oppose terrorism" (paraphrased) dickwaddery in the gut.


Individual acts of terror is one thing. Let's hear from some Muslims who publicly deny Muhammad and the Koran's calls to terrorize, slaughter, maim or enslave those who resist forced conversion into the cult

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 1/7/2018 6:47:06 PM   
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trying to widen goalposts is not gonna work.
there are plenty out there , you are just too dishonest to acknowledge it,

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 1/7/2018 7:02:09 PM   
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trying to widen goalposts is not gonna work.
there are plenty out there , you are just too dishonest to acknowledge it,


This from the same hag who claims she never sucks Muslim ass

I haven't moved or widened any goalposts, it's what I originally asked tweaker for

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=5098482

There are none out there. If they deny it they are not Muslims, they are apostates

Traitors to the cult.

And they are targeted by the faithful, just like Jews and infidels

Quran
Quran (4:89) - "They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliya' (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allah (to Muhammad). But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliya' (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them." Verse 4:65 says that those who have faith are in "full submission" to Muhammad's teachings. This verse explains what should happen to Muslims who do not "have faith" and (along with verses 90-91) do not agree to banishment and subjugation. (See the "Why They are Wrong" section of this response to apologists for a deeper analysis).
Quran (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."

Other verses that seem to support the many Hadith that establish the death sentence for apostates are Quran verses 2:217, 9:73-74, 88:21, 5:54, 9:66.
Hadith and Sira
The most reliable Hadith collection contain numerous accounts of Muhammad and his companions putting people to death for leaving Islam. According to verse 4:80 of the Quran: "Those who obey the Messenger obey Allah."

Sahih Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Sahih Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."

Sahih Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Sahih Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."

Sahih Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"

Sahih Bukhari (84:64-65) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'" This verse from the Hadith is worse than it appears because it isn't speaking solely of apostates, but those who say they believe but don't put their religion into practice.

Sahih Bukhari (11:626) - "The Prophet said, 'No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl.' The Prophet added, 'Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses'."

Abu Dawud (4346) - "Was not there a wise man among you who would stand up to him when he saw that I had withheld my hand from accepting his allegiance, and kill him?" Muhammad is chastising his companions for allowing an apostate to "repent" under duress. (The person in question was Muhammad's former scribe, who left him after doubting the authenticity of divine "revelations" - upon finding out that grammatical changes could be made. He was brought back to Muhammad after having been captured in Medina).

al-Muwatta of Imam Malik (36.18.15) - "The Messenger of Allah said, "If someone changes his religion - then strike off his head."

Reliance of the Traveller (Islamic Law) o8.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed." (o8.4 affirms that there is no penalty for killing an apostate).


Islamic Law:

There is also a consensus by all four schools of Sunni Islamic jurisprudence (i.e., Maliki, Hanbali, Hanafi, and Shafii), as well as classical Shiite jurists, that apostates from Islam must be put to death. The process of declaring a person to be an apostate is known as takfir and the disbeliever is called a murtad.

Averroes (d. 1198), the renowned philosopher and scholar of the natural sciences, who was also an important Maliki jurist, provided this typical Muslim legal opinion on the punishment for apostasy: "An apostate...is to be executed by agreement in the case of a man, because of the words of the Prophet, 'Slay those who change their din [religion]'...Asking the apostate to repent was stipulated as a condition...prior to his execution."

The contemporary (i.e., 1991) Al-Azhar (Cairo) Islamic Research Academy endorsed manual of Islamic Law, Umdat al-Salik (pp. 595-96) states: "Leaving Islam is the ugliest form of unbelief (kufr) and the worst.... When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostasizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed. In such a case, it is obligatory...to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed."

The OIC's Sharia-based Cairo Declaration is transparent in its rejection of freedom of conscience in Article 10:

"Islam is the religion of unspoiled nature. It is prohibited to exercise any form of compulsion on man or to exploit his poverty or ignorance in order to convert him to another religion, or to atheism." Ominously, articles 19 and 22 reiterate a principle stated elsewhere throughout the document, which clearly applies to the "punishment" of so-called "apostates" from Islam: "[19d] There shall be no crime or punishment except as provided for in the Sharia.; [22a] Everyone shall have the right to express his opinion freely in such manner as would not be contrary to the principles of the Sharia.; [22b] Everyone shall have the right to advocate what is right, and propagate what is good, and warn against what is wrong and evil according to the norms of Islamic Sharia.; [22c] Information is a vital necessity to society. It may not be exploited or misused in such a way as may violate sanctities and the dignity of Prophets, undermine moral and ethical values or disintegrate, corrupt or harm society or weaken its faith."
From Andrew Bostom's CAIR's Silence on Pastor's Apostasy Death Sentence is Deafening
In 2012, the website, Islam QA, offered a studied defense of killing apostates and "enemies of Islam" which was captured by Jihad Watch: Apostates from Islam and Those Who Wage War Verbally on Islam Must be Put to Death

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 1/7/2018 7:24:03 PM   
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yeah, yawns im not talking simply this thread but your history of muslim fapping
im not tonguing islams ass. im calling you on your dishonesty time after time after time after time.
Im calling you out
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YOU
thats it...sorry
your ramblings are about as interesting as your grunts.

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 1/7/2018 7:36:29 PM   
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From the same link I quoted above:

Notes
While the rest of the world generally believes that if God wanted people dead over their religious beliefs then he would do the job himself, apostasy is taken so seriously by Muslims that it spawned the first of many serious internal wars.

Immediately after Muhammad's death, several tribes wanted to leave Islam and return to their preferred religion. In a conflict known as the Riddah (apostasy) Wars, they were slaughtered in such places recalled as "Garden of Death" and "Gulley of Blood" during the first caliph Abu Bakr's aggressive and violent campaign to force submission (and keep the tribute payments flowing back to Mecca, of course). Within months, a great many people were dead, including Muslims who had memorized the Quran by heart.

As Abu Bakr, Muhammad's closest companion, explained in a letter at the time, his prophet "struck whoever turned his back to Him until he came to Islam, willingly or grudgingly." Thus did Abu Bakr promise to "burn them with fire, slaughter them by any means, and take women and children captive" any who left Islam. (al-Tabari v10 p.55-57)

Ali, the fourth "Rightly Guided Caliph" was Muhammad's son-in-law and one of the first converts to Islam. He also had people burned alive for wanting to follow their conscience. An old man named Rumahis b. Mansur, who regretted leaving Christianity and vowed not to remain a Muslim, was quickly beheaded by Ali. (al-Tabari v.17 p.191).

In 1400 years, there has never been a system of Islamic law that did not prescribe the death penalty for Muslims choosing to leave Islam. Even in modern, ostensibly secular Islamic countries with constitutions "guaranteeing" freedom of religion, there is de facto enforcement of this law with intimidation and the vigilante murder of apostates.

A sound philosophy never requires violence or threats to retain believers. Contemporary Muslim apologists sometimes find it embarrassing that their religion - and theirs alone - endorses killing someone over a mere change in opinion (as critic Geert Wilders puts it, "Any religion that invites you in but then will not let you out is no longer a religion"). As such there are various tricks played to deny or explain away this weak and draconian which is so well-ensconced in Islamic tradition.

Such defenders usually quote verse 2:256 to Western audiences. The verse states "Let there be no compulsion in religion, for truth stands out from error." They may also include a fragment of verse 10:99-100, "Wouldst thou (Muhammad) compel men until they are believers?" What they don't mention is that Muslim scholars agree that both verses were spoken by Muhammad during an earlier time in his teachings, when he did not have the power to compel others. They are abrogated by later verses, such as verse 9:29, which clearly orders Muslims to fight unbelievers until they relent and either convert to Islam or accept a state of humiliation under Islamic rule (an obvious illustration of compulsion).

These apologists also ignore the actions of Muhammad at Mecca and those of his companions following his death, particularly the bloody Ridda Wars. How could those closest to him have felt that there should be "no compulsion in religion" if they were instructed to kill anyone who wanted to leave Islam?

Muhammad referred to the Companions as the 'best generation of Muslims' (Sahih Bukhari 6429), yet they wound up in battles against one another over disagreements of faith and charges of apostasy.

The "Religion of Peace" expanded across the globe by conquering people of other religions and then making life miserable for those who didn't "embrace" Islam. Once spoken, a person was locked into the faith. Any sign of false witness - such as raising their children in another faith - was punished with death. Thus did Islam gradually supplant other religions.

One of the world's most respected Sunni scholars, Yusuf al-Qaradawi, admitted in 2012 that if Muslims had "gotten rid of the apostasy punishment, Islam wouldn't exist today". (Astonishingly enough, he was not apologizing for the beheading, torture, burning and murder of millions but, rather, trying to rationalize it).

And, while some apologists bend the truth in order to distance Islam from one of its most draconian rules, the world's most popular Muslim apologist recently affirmed that the death penalty should be applied to those who leave Islam and share their faith with others. (Ironically Zakir Naik made his comments on a British television channel called Peace TV).

In 2016, the Islamic State beheaded a 14-year-old boy in front of his parents for missing prayers. This was consistent with Muhammad's order to burn those who would not pray (along with their houses), which he issued near the end of his life. When this happened, there was barely a peep of protest from the Muslim world.

At the end of the day, even Muslims who insist that the mandate to kill apostates from Islam isn't a part of the "true" religion never appear all that bothered when it does happen - much less champion the right of other religions to evangelize in Muslim countries; in fact, they discourage it. They know as well as anyone that Islam cannot compete within the arena of free ideas and must rely on brute force at some level to retain believers.


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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 1/7/2018 11:19:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

yeah, yawns im not talking simply this thread but your history of muslim fapping
im not tonguing islams ass. im calling you on your dishonesty time after time after time after time.
Im calling you out
yes
YOU
thats it...sorry
your ramblings are about as interesting as your grunts.

For all his waffle (and heaven knows there's no shortage of that!) he has never been able to answer the simple questions:
If, as Bosco claims, Muslims are under a religious obligation to spread terror. why is the fight against IS being led, fought and won by Muslims armies? Why are those Muslim armies in coaltion with apostates fighting fellow-Muslims? Why are those armies fighting IS drawn from multiple Muslim countries representing much of the Muslim world? Why did those armies seek to and succeed in destroying IS's pseudo-caliphate?

If Bosco's hysterical claims had any validity, then most of the Muslim world must be both openly defying the Koran's injunctions and apostate. Indeed if those claims had the slightest validity then the fight against IS simply wouldn't have happened. If his claims are accurate, then all those Muslim armies, instead of fighting and destroying IS, would have joined them in the 'jihad'. If we are to believe Bosco then almost the entire Muslim world as we know it isn't Muslim ...!!!

A person's or religion's actions tell us much more about them than anything they say. It is a simple and well known fact that Muslims have led the fight against IS in Syria and Iraq and contributed most of the fighters and incurred most of the casualties. Victory over IS might never have happened without their lead and contribution. Yet Bosco would have us believe that these efforts are meaningless window dressing and that a few scattered quotes from often dubious sources are far more significant ...

I've no doubt most people will be able to decide whether to believe Bosco's hysterical claims or to believe the evidence of their own eyes.


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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 1/8/2018 2:01:50 AM   
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Individual acts of terror is one thing. Let's hear from some Muslims who publicly deny Muhammad and the Koran's calls to terrorize, slaughter, maim or enslave those who resist forced conversion into the cult


Why would you need that? The Bible is strewn wiith things that, these days, most Christians would find evil. Do we ever see Christians denouncing them? We don't - and we don't ask them to, either. Why? Because it's tacitly but completely accepted that these evil things in the Bible are going to be ignored by most Christians. Why do you continually insist that all that Muslims do, and all that they are, can be 'read from' their religious texts - in a way that you'd never do with Christians? It's so mind-deadeningly stupid.


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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 1/8/2018 5:47:18 AM   
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Amusing

Jesus taught, ye without sin cast the first stone and if someone strikes your cheek, turn your face so they may strike the other cheek too

Compare that to the extremely long list of terrorist acts recently committed by Muslims that you personally just posted. Muslims doing exactly as the Koran demands, committing mass slaughter

Perfectly illustrating that the teachings and behavior of the founders of the Christian religion and the Islamic cult are exactly opposite of one another.

And you scream to the world that you are far too stupid to see the difference


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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 1/8/2018 5:56:47 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

For all his waffle (and heaven knows there's no shortage of that!) he has never been able to answer the simple questions:
If, as Bosco claims, Muslims are under a religious obligation to spread terror. why is the fight against IS being led, fought and won by Muslims armies? Why are those Muslim armies in coaltion with apostates fighting fellow-Muslims? Why are those armies fighting IS drawn from multiple Muslim countries representing much of the Muslim world? Why did those armies seek to and succeed in destroying IS's pseudo-caliphate?

If Bosco's hysterical claims had any validity, then most of the Muslim world must be both openly defying the Koran's injunctions and apostate. Indeed if those claims had the slightest validity then the fight against IS simply wouldn't have happened. If his claims are accurate, then all those Muslim armies, instead of fighting and destroying IS, would have joined them in the 'jihad'. If we are to believe Bosco then almost the entire Muslim world as we know it isn't Muslim ...!!!

A person's or religion's actions tell us much more about them than anything they say. It is a simple and well known fact that Muslims have led the fight against IS in Syria and Iraq and contributed most of the fighters and incurred most of the casualties. Victory over IS might never have happened without their lead and contribution. Yet Bosco would have us believe that these efforts are meaningless window dressing and that a few scattered quotes from often dubious sources are far more significant ...

I've no doubt most people will be able to decide whether to believe Bosco's hysterical claims or to believe the evidence of their own eyes.



Also amusing

Amusing how you are constantly preaching that Muslims slaughtering one another is the surest sign that they are far more civilized than we are

Faithful Muslims abandoned their lives and their families and traveled from around the planet to join the Caliphate to please Allah.

Why would they do that, drop everything to join a bloodthirsty crew like that...

You know the reason. We all do. It is because ISIS was fulfilling the scripture, doing exactly as Allah demands in their blood-soaked book

The only reason other Muslims fought them is because they are the competition

ISIS threatened to swallow up every other Muslim state, especially Shiite states (who they saw as apostates). All of their mass slaughter doesn't mean what you pretend that it does, it means exactly the opposite

And we don't want them competing to please their bloodthirsty god here - keep them out.

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 1/8/2018 6:09:45 AM   
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For tweaker -

This post explains how Muslims have been slaughtering one another since the very beginning of their cult.

It is hardly the sure sign of innocence that you have been brainwashed to believe

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


From the same link I quoted above:

Notes
While the rest of the world generally believes that if God wanted people dead over their religious beliefs then he would do the job himself, apostasy is taken so seriously by Muslims that it spawned the first of many serious internal wars.

Immediately after Muhammad's death, several tribes wanted to leave Islam and return to their preferred religion. In a conflict known as the Riddah (apostasy) Wars, they were slaughtered in such places recalled as "Garden of Death" and "Gulley of Blood" during the first caliph Abu Bakr's aggressive and violent campaign to force submission (and keep the tribute payments flowing back to Mecca, of course). Within months, a great many people were dead, including Muslims who had memorized the Quran by heart.

As Abu Bakr, Muhammad's closest companion, explained in a letter at the time, his prophet "struck whoever turned his back to Him until he came to Islam, willingly or grudgingly." Thus did Abu Bakr promise to "burn them with fire, slaughter them by any means, and take women and children captive" any who left Islam. (al-Tabari v10 p.55-57)

Ali, the fourth "Rightly Guided Caliph" was Muhammad's son-in-law and one of the first converts to Islam. He also had people burned alive for wanting to follow their conscience. An old man named Rumahis b. Mansur, who regretted leaving Christianity and vowed not to remain a Muslim, was quickly beheaded by Ali. (al-Tabari v.17 p.191).

In 1400 years, there has never been a system of Islamic law that did not prescribe the death penalty for Muslims choosing to leave Islam. Even in modern, ostensibly secular Islamic countries with constitutions "guaranteeing" freedom of religion, there is de facto enforcement of this law with intimidation and the vigilante murder of apostates.

A sound philosophy never requires violence or threats to retain believers. Contemporary Muslim apologists sometimes find it embarrassing that their religion - and theirs alone - endorses killing someone over a mere change in opinion (as critic Geert Wilders puts it, "Any religion that invites you in but then will not let you out is no longer a religion"). As such there are various tricks played to deny or explain away this weak and draconian which is so well-ensconced in Islamic tradition.

Such defenders usually quote verse 2:256 to Western audiences. The verse states "Let there be no compulsion in religion, for truth stands out from error." They may also include a fragment of verse 10:99-100, "Wouldst thou (Muhammad) compel men until they are believers?" What they don't mention is that Muslim scholars agree that both verses were spoken by Muhammad during an earlier time in his teachings, when he did not have the power to compel others. They are abrogated by later verses, such as verse 9:29, which clearly orders Muslims to fight unbelievers until they relent and either convert to Islam or accept a state of humiliation under Islamic rule (an obvious illustration of compulsion).

These apologists also ignore the actions of Muhammad at Mecca and those of his companions following his death, particularly the bloody Ridda Wars. How could those closest to him have felt that there should be "no compulsion in religion" if they were instructed to kill anyone who wanted to leave Islam?

Muhammad referred to the Companions as the 'best generation of Muslims' (Sahih Bukhari 6429), yet they wound up in battles against one another over disagreements of faith and charges of apostasy.

The "Religion of Peace" expanded across the globe by conquering people of other religions and then making life miserable for those who didn't "embrace" Islam. Once spoken, a person was locked into the faith. Any sign of false witness - such as raising their children in another faith - was punished with death. Thus did Islam gradually supplant other religions.

One of the world's most respected Sunni scholars, Yusuf al-Qaradawi, admitted in 2012 that if Muslims had "gotten rid of the apostasy punishment, Islam wouldn't exist today". (Astonishingly enough, he was not apologizing for the beheading, torture, burning and murder of millions but, rather, trying to rationalize it).

And, while some apologists bend the truth in order to distance Islam from one of its most draconian rules, the world's most popular Muslim apologist recently affirmed that the death penalty should be applied to those who leave Islam and share their faith with others. (Ironically Zakir Naik made his comments on a British television channel called Peace TV).

In 2016, the Islamic State beheaded a 14-year-old boy in front of his parents for missing prayers. This was consistent with Muhammad's order to burn those who would not pray (along with their houses), which he issued near the end of his life. When this happened, there was barely a peep of protest from the Muslim world.

At the end of the day, even Muslims who insist that the mandate to kill apostates from Islam isn't a part of the "true" religion never appear all that bothered when it does happen - much less champion the right of other religions to evangelize in Muslim countries; in fact, they discourage it. They know as well as anyone that Islam cannot compete within the arena of free ideas and must rely on brute force at some level to retain believers.




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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 1/8/2018 7:29:49 AM   
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Of course they did. Because the Palestinian catspaws' agenda has always been the total annihilation of Israel.

There is no Palestinian people. There never has been. These people are Arabs. Muslims. And therefore anti-semetic haters of the Jews.

The idea that the Middle East has been held hostage by the abhorrent, vile death cult that is Islam is simply too horrific for rational sane observers to stomach. I don't think recognising the capital is necessarily a good idea, but the "Palestinians" don't want peace anyway. And it's about time the rest of the world realised that.


We agree, that there was need to "recognize" Jerusalem, at this time.
Just no need.


Yeah there was. Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, and every president has promised to officially recognize that for generations.

Despite the constant threats from the death cult, it is time to fulfill that promise. They don't actually need an excuse to mass slaughter, just the fact that we are non-Muslims will do

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 1/8/2018 8:13:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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For all his waffle (and heaven knows there's no shortage of that!) he has never been able to answer the simple questions:
If, as Bosco claims, Muslims are under a religious obligation to spread terror. why is the fight against IS being led, fought and won by Muslims armies? Why are those Muslim armies in coaltion with apostates fighting fellow-Muslims? Why are those armies fighting IS drawn from multiple Muslim countries representing much of the Muslim world? Why did those armies seek to and succeed in destroying IS's pseudo-caliphate?

If Bosco's hysterical claims had any validity, then most of the Muslim world must be both openly defying the Koran's injunctions and apostate. Indeed if those claims had the slightest validity then the fight against IS simply wouldn't have happened. If his claims are accurate, then all those Muslim armies, instead of fighting and destroying IS, would have joined them in the 'jihad'. If we are to believe Bosco then almost the entire Muslim world as we know it isn't Muslim ...!!!

A person's or religion's actions tell us much more about them than anything they say. It is a simple and well known fact that Muslims have led the fight against IS in Syria and Iraq and contributed most of the fighters and incurred most of the casualties. Victory over IS might never have happened without their lead and contribution. Yet Bosco would have us believe that these efforts are meaningless window dressing and that a few scattered quotes from often dubious sources are far more significant ...

I've no doubt most people will be able to decide whether to believe Bosco's hysterical claims or to believe the evidence of their own eyes.



Also amusing

Amusing how you are constantly preaching that Muslims slaughtering one another is the surest sign that they are far more civilized than we are

Faithful Muslims abandoned their lives and their families and traveled from around the planet to join the Caliphate to please Allah.

Why would they do that, drop everything to join a bloodthirsty crew like that...

You know the reason. We all do. It is because ISIS was fulfilling the scripture, doing exactly as Allah demands in their blood-soaked book

The only reason other Muslims fought them is because they are the competition

ISIS threatened to swallow up every other Muslim state, especially Shiite states (who they saw as apostates). All of their mass slaughter doesn't mean what you pretend that it does, it means exactly the opposite

And we don't want them competing to please their bloodthirsty god here - keep them out.

If, as you claim, IS are the true Muslims following Koranic injunctions, then what is the status of those Muslims who have fought and destroyed IS's caliphate, or the 'competition' as you so lamely try to dismiss them?

Obviously by your logic they cannot be Muslims. So the effect of your position is that most of the Muslim countries in the world, and most of the Muslims are not Muslims.

I hope you can see how absurd and ridiculous your position is. Just about everyone else can.


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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 1/8/2018 8:47:53 AM   
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I hope you can see how absurd and ridiculous your position is.


Ah yes, hope. I remember that.

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 1/8/2018 9:00:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

For all his waffle (and heaven knows there's no shortage of that!) he has never been able to answer the simple questions:
If, as Bosco claims, Muslims are under a religious obligation to spread terror. why is the fight against IS being led, fought and won by Muslims armies? Why are those Muslim armies in coaltion with apostates fighting fellow-Muslims? Why are those armies fighting IS drawn from multiple Muslim countries representing much of the Muslim world? Why did those armies seek to and succeed in destroying IS's pseudo-caliphate?

If Bosco's hysterical claims had any validity, then most of the Muslim world must be both openly defying the Koran's injunctions and apostate. Indeed if those claims had the slightest validity then the fight against IS simply wouldn't have happened. If his claims are accurate, then all those Muslim armies, instead of fighting and destroying IS, would have joined them in the 'jihad'. If we are to believe Bosco then almost the entire Muslim world as we know it isn't Muslim ...!!!

A person's or religion's actions tell us much more about them than anything they say. It is a simple and well known fact that Muslims have led the fight against IS in Syria and Iraq and contributed most of the fighters and incurred most of the casualties. Victory over IS might never have happened without their lead and contribution. Yet Bosco would have us believe that these efforts are meaningless window dressing and that a few scattered quotes from often dubious sources are far more significant ...

I've no doubt most people will be able to decide whether to believe Bosco's hysterical claims or to believe the evidence of their own eyes.



Also amusing

Amusing how you are constantly preaching that Muslims slaughtering one another is the surest sign that they are far more civilized than we are

Faithful Muslims abandoned their lives and their families and traveled from around the planet to join the Caliphate to please Allah.

Why would they do that, drop everything to join a bloodthirsty crew like that...

You know the reason. We all do. It is because ISIS was fulfilling the scripture, doing exactly as Allah demands in their blood-soaked book

The only reason other Muslims fought them is because they are the competition

ISIS threatened to swallow up every other Muslim state, especially Shiite states (who they saw as apostates). All of their mass slaughter doesn't mean what you pretend that it does, it means exactly the opposite

And we don't want them competing to please their bloodthirsty god here - keep them out.

If, as you claim, IS are the true Muslims following Koranic injunctions, then what is the status of those Muslims who have fought and destroyed IS's caliphate, or the 'competition' as you so lamely try to dismiss them?

Obviously by your logic they cannot be Muslims. So the effect of your position is that most of the Muslim countries in the world, and most of the Muslims are not Muslims.

I hope you can see how absurd and ridiculous your position is. Just about everyone else can.



As opposed to your cartoonish delusions, I wrote that Muslims have been slaughtering Muslims since the beginning

I didn’t write anything like ‘only ISIS is Muslim’

Replying to your insane howling is boring

One more point, these Muslim countries fighting ISIS... Where did the previous inhabitants of those Muslim countries go, who occupied those lands before the jihadis took over

If they are so peaceful explain why practically all infidels are gone from many of those places

Where did all of the non-Muslims go

(Rhetorical question- we all know).




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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 1/8/2018 7:45:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

For all his waffle (and heaven knows there's no shortage of that!) he has never been able to answer the simple questions:
If, as Bosco claims, Muslims are under a religious obligation to spread terror. why is the fight against IS being led, fought and won by Muslims armies? Why are those Muslim armies in coaltion with apostates fighting fellow-Muslims? Why are those armies fighting IS drawn from multiple Muslim countries representing much of the Muslim world? Why did those armies seek to and succeed in destroying IS's pseudo-caliphate?

If Bosco's hysterical claims had any validity, then most of the Muslim world must be both openly defying the Koran's injunctions and apostate. Indeed if those claims had the slightest validity then the fight against IS simply wouldn't have happened. If his claims are accurate, then all those Muslim armies, instead of fighting and destroying IS, would have joined them in the 'jihad'. If we are to believe Bosco then almost the entire Muslim world as we know it isn't Muslim ...!!!

A person's or religion's actions tell us much more about them than anything they say. It is a simple and well known fact that Muslims have led the fight against IS in Syria and Iraq and contributed most of the fighters and incurred most of the casualties. Victory over IS might never have happened without their lead and contribution. Yet Bosco would have us believe that these efforts are meaningless window dressing and that a few scattered quotes from often dubious sources are far more significant ...

I've no doubt most people will be able to decide whether to believe Bosco's hysterical claims or to believe the evidence of their own eyes.



Also amusing

Amusing how you are constantly preaching that Muslims slaughtering one another is the surest sign that they are far more civilized than we are

Faithful Muslims abandoned their lives and their families and traveled from around the planet to join the Caliphate to please Allah.

Why would they do that, drop everything to join a bloodthirsty crew like that...

You know the reason. We all do. It is because ISIS was fulfilling the scripture, doing exactly as Allah demands in their blood-soaked book

The only reason other Muslims fought them is because they are the competition

ISIS threatened to swallow up every other Muslim state, especially Shiite states (who they saw as apostates). All of their mass slaughter doesn't mean what you pretend that it does, it means exactly the opposite

And we don't want them competing to please their bloodthirsty god here - keep them out.

If, as you claim, IS are the true Muslims following Koranic injunctions, then what is the status of those Muslims who have fought and destroyed IS's caliphate, or the 'competition' as you so lamely try to dismiss them?

Obviously by your logic they cannot be Muslims. So the effect of your position is that most of the Muslim countries in the world, and most of the Muslims are not Muslims.

I hope you can see how absurd and ridiculous your position is. Just about everyone else can.



As opposed to your cartoonish delusions, I wrote that Muslims have been slaughtering Muslims since the beginning

I didn’t write anything like ‘only ISIS is Muslim’

Replying to your insane howling is boring

One more point, these Muslim countries fighting ISIS... Where did the previous inhabitants of those Muslim countries go, who occupied those lands before the jihadis took over

If they are so peaceful explain why practically all infidels are gone from many of those places

Where did all of the non-Muslims go

(Rhetorical question- we all know).






I am not sure why this debate continues...

1. Yes you are right. The Quran preaches violence to infidels, and non-believers... Not to mention it's less than stellar recognition of womens rights.
2. Not all Muslims take the Quarn literally, and rebel against a literal interpretation, and the associated violence.
3. Some muslims on the other hand, most certainly do take the Quran literally
4. My own faith: Deuteronomy lists Hebrew laws which include the sacrificing animals, staying away from menstruating women, owning of slaves, and in Leviticus says to stone homosexuals. Not all Jews take 100% of that literally



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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 1/9/2018 2:54:15 AM   
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I am not sure why this debate continues...

1. Yes you are right. The Quran preaches violence to infidels, and non-believers... Not to mention it's less than stellar recognition of womens rights.
2. Not all Muslims take the Quarn literally, and rebel against a literal interpretation, and the associated violence.
3. Some muslims on the other hand, most certainly do take the Quran literally
4. My own faith: Deuteronomy lists Hebrew laws which include the sacrificing animals, staying away from menstruating women, owning of slaves, and in Leviticus says to stone homosexuals. Not all Jews take 100% of that literally




Yes. Of course. An examination of the Bible and Christian beliefs will reveal the same enormous gap between the founding text of the religion and the way the religion is practiced today by its adherents. For instance sections of the Bible advocate enslaving one's enemies and recount several instances of this happening, something that (I hope!) all Christians today would find abhorrent.

The reason why the 'debate' continues is down to the obstinate obsessive Islamophobia of (in the main) one individual who insists that somehow Islam is different from all other religions and that the written text is followed literally and scrupulously by its adherents. This individual's hate is so obsessive that it blinds him to the absurdity of his claims, effectively fact-proofing him.

As someone else noted, his obsessive hate is one fixed point in an otherwise ever-changing universe.

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 1/9/2018 5:25:07 PM   
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It's okay though because something ridiculous about the Old Testament or not every Muslim on the planet is involved or something

Saudi police arrest "everyone involved" after gay wedding video showed two men being sprayed with confetti

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