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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 12/7/2017 9:56:36 AM

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That's the difference between Trump and Obama. When Trump says he is going to do something, he actually does it. Not just another lie to get elected.

So when's this wall going up, then? When's locking up Clinton? Has the ACA been done away with yet?
(America isn't looking all that great at the moment either, come to that.)

Quite.

Moving the embassy to Jerusalem was not a key Trump pledge in his election campaign.

Besides since when did having a historical claim to reference make something right? Berwick used to be the largest town in Scotland before Edward I massacred its population. Eastern Europe is full of cities that used to be in other countries. Let's give Danzig back to Germany because that will make everything better. While we are at it, let's give the US back to the native Americans and Australia back to its original inhabitants too.

The world-wide reaction is nothing to do with Republicans and Democrats, it's because Jerusalem has been a disputed city for centuries and it's still formally occupied. The concern expressed about the wisdom of this move from around the world has been virtually universal (apart from Israel itself) and has come from left and right wing governments.

Then we get straight onto the muslim hating posts. Palestine was and is a multi-religious country with the Occupied Territories being roughly one third Christian.

It's not that Israel doesn't have a claim to Jerusalem. It's just the lack thought and care in Trump's actions today.

Sometimes doing something that everyone else thinks is wrong isn't brave or decisive, it's just unwise.

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 12/7/2017 10:07:11 AM

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Jesus. "World, bar Israel, condemns Trump's Jerusalem announcement". Have all the world's leaders become communists? Even the UK's Conservative Prime Minister has gone commie:
"Prime Minister Theresa May said the British government disagreed with Trump's decision, saying it was "unhelpful" for peace efforts. "We disagree with the US decision to move its embassy to Jerusalem and recognise Jerusalem as the Israeli capital," she said in a statement. "We believe it is unhelpful in terms of prospects for peace in the region"."

https://www.news24.com/World/News/world-bar-israel-condemns-trump-jerusalem-announcement-20171207

Their reasoning involves appeasing your favorite fanatical terrorist cult

President Trump has the kind of balls that your prized leftist trash world leaders can only dream of having (which is the very thing that got him elected over another mealy-mouthed RINO Bush or another Clinton)

Bosco please, please tell me that you don't believe all the world's leaders, other than those of the USA (well, Trump, anyway) and Israel, are 'leftist trash'. Not even you could be that much of headbanging lunatic ... could you?

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 12/7/2017 5:56:12 PM

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The solution to Israel and Palestinian is not a two state system as clearly it will never be resolved that way.

But for a third party to swoop in and conquer both lands by force and rule have a secular and multi-religious society.

And force them to unite against a common enemy and become friends.

Two states have a squabbling like kids for years. And they need to be treated like children.

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 12/7/2017 6:36:31 PM

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the short answer is, if its hacking off the comrades so much, its probably a good thing.

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 12/7/2017 6:50:13 PM

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The solution to Israel and Palestinian is not a two state system as clearly it will never be resolved that way.

But for a third party to swoop in and conquer both lands by force and rule have a secular and multi-religious society.

And force them to unite against a common enemy and become friends.

Two states have a squabbling like kids for years. And they need to be treated like children.

We had a one state secular, multi-religious society in the Middle East. It was called Palestine and was inhabited by a mix of Christians, Jews and Muslims.

Palestine was broken up after the Second World War to give the Jews a home called Israel. The former Palestine had included what we currently refer to as Israel and the Israeli occupied territories.

A return to the one state solution however would have to involve the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank having equal citizens rights and an equal right to work anywhere in Israel.

The Israelis would hardly agree to be part of a state where they had to share political power with Christians and Muslims.

And to answer the point about a third party conquering the area and recreating a state resembling the former Palestine - you don't seriously believe that is a good idea do you?

Just think about how well the invasion of Iraq worked for that country and consider the blood bath that would be caused by taking on the strength of the US-funded Israeli military.

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 12/7/2017 6:58:45 PM

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the short answer is, if its hacking off the comrades so much, its probably a good thing.

You've not bothered to read the thread or the international press.

It is hacking everyone off, including all the governments of Europe, left or right.

The only exceptions are Trump's closest political allies and the Israeli government.

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 12/7/2017 7:28:17 PM

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So What. He did the right thing. It should have been done 20 years ago.

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 12/7/2017 7:30:08 PM

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Of course they did. Because the Palestinian catspaws' agenda has always been the total annihilation of Israel.

There is no Palestinian people. There never has been. These people are Arabs. Muslims. And therefore anti-semetic haters of the Jews.

The idea that the Middle East has been held hostage by the abhorrent, vile death cult that is Islam is simply too horrific for rational sane observers to stomach. I don't think recognising the capital is necessarily a good idea, but the "Palestinians" don't want peace anyway. And it's about time the rest of the world realised that.

We agree, that there was need to "recognize" Jerusalem, at this time.
Just no need.

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 12/7/2017 7:32:48 PM

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Any thoughts on why Trump is making this "announcement" at this time?

His son in law, or one of the other zionists he answers to, told him what to say?

Jared, Jared, Jared!
I think his son-in-law had a lot to do with this.
Almost everyone in power, makes many decisions, based on who is in their "ear".
What Jared wants, Jared probably usually gets from Trump.

Interesting article in the Jerusalem Post, about what Jared hopes to "achieve".

JerusalemPost-Why Jared is on a fool's mission

This article is worth glancing at.
From the article in Jerusalem Post, "1) You cannot bring peace if you are delusional about the nature of the beast you are trying to tame.

Kushner, like others before him, goes to Ramallah to talk to the head of the Palestinian Authority, whether it be Yasser Arafat or PA President Mahmoud Abbas, as though they truly represent the best interests of the majority of Arabs in Judea and Samaria and the Gaza Strip. If they did, there would have been peace a long time ago, without Kushner.

2) Kushner is conditioning a regional Israel-Arab peace with the creation of a Palestinian state.

The establishment of a dysfunctional Palestinian state likely to be headed, sooner or later, by Hamas is not a panacea for regional peace."

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 12/7/2017 7:57:18 PM

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So lets do every damn thing we can do to keep it going...

That's like saying, allow Nazis to keep gassing Jews.

Chances are, back then, if you speak out against Nazis or attack them for it, they will keep doing it back to you too.

I cannot understand the pacifist solution when we are dealing with evil.

You should know after my posts on the issue over the years that I am pro Israel and far from a pacifist. Doing this just gives our enemies more power we will have to defeat with American lives... senseless. Just because I am for the defense of Israel does not mean I think they are right in everything they do... This capital crap is wrong... the settlements are wrong... the type of retaliation to terrorists is often wrong and counter productive... the lack of negotiation is wrong. But I do believe in Israel's right to defend itself... making Jerusalem the Capital at this time is not defending but instigating.

Butch

We agree on this one, Butch!!
I also agree on Israel's right to defend themselves, but this is the wrong move, at this time.

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 12/7/2017 8:45:45 PM

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the short answer is, if its hacking off the comrades so much, its probably a good thing.

The very first news report I heard about this, the news presenter said: "The French are not happy about this"

and my first thought was: "Well, if the French are pissed, maybe they'll just surrender to us or something."

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 12/8/2017 3:04:57 AM

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Just think about how well the invasion of Iraq worked for that country and consider the blood bath that would be caused by taking on the strength of the US-funded Israeli military.

Iraq didn't have third party sweep in and take over. They essentially took the side of one party in Iraq and took a side and establish that side as government. That's why it failed. You gotta be a benevolent dictator, taking power away from both sides, believing you know what is best for them! And starting anew. So they will both unite and become friends and hate you together. But with you in control, you can actually do good for them all, even though initially, they don't feel it. But you will get everything together and get everyone properly educated and improve economy and just make it better and deal harshly with those who are fighting back.

I am talking more like, how US became US. With European sweeping in America and turning it to one of the most successful country on earth.

I mean if it was never conquered and left to Native Americans. I think US might be like Africa today.

Not really trying to insult Native American culture, but because they are the type of culture who will want to hang on to the old ways and tradition, so their modernization will be at much slower pace, like Africa, where Africa still have alot of tribal people. And some cultures are just not as innovative as others. I mean, I am not sure what in world history was invented by native Americans that is very useful today.

Sometimes I think democracy in backwards nations is just delaying progress of that country. Like South Africa, What a mess democracy did to them. Same with Philippines. Why can't they get their shit together in their own country! Endless corruption.

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 12/8/2017 3:19:30 AM

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No thread on Jerusalem?

Furious Palestinians are burning American flags, since Trump announced today, that American will "formally" accept
Jerusalem, as Israel's capital.

Any thoughts on why Trump is making this "announcement" at this time?
The Palestinians are taking this extremely hard, anyone surprised?

Do we really need "this", at this time in history?

Just yesterday, they loved us!

/sarcasm

Last Four Democratic Party Platforms Have Called Jerusalem the Capital of Israel (Obama included)

Previous Presidents havent recognised Jeruslem as Israels capital because............ ?

Dont make me enlighten you idiot boy.

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 12/8/2017 3:53:48 AM

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By the way!

I just realise that ironically. The Quran CLEARLY STATES that Allah TOLD THE JEWS to TAKE Palestine!

Why the hell are Muslims disobeying their Allah? WTF? Typical Muslims!

Need more info:

Read here: http://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=5&verse=20

The Prophet Moses (peace be on him) led the Israelites out of Egypt and brought them to Mount Sinai by way of Marah, Elim and Rephaim in the Sinai Peninsula. Here he stayed for a little over a year and received most of the Commandments of the Torah. Then he was commanded to lead the Israelites towards Palestine and conquer it, for that land was to be given to them as an inheritance.

Case Close. According to the Quran and the Muslim God, Palestine 100% belong to the Jews.

I think Israel should use the Quran to debate their claim to it!

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 12/8/2017 5:03:47 AM

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No thread on Jerusalem?

Furious Palestinians are burning American flags, since Trump announced today, that American will "formally" accept
Jerusalem, as Israel's capital.

Any thoughts on why Trump is making this "announcement" at this time?
The Palestinians are taking this extremely hard, anyone surprised?

Do we really need "this", at this time in history?

Just yesterday, they loved us!

/sarcasm

Last Four Democratic Party Platforms Have Called Jerusalem the Capital of Israel (Obama included)

Previous Presidents havent recognised Jeruslem as Israels capital because............ ?

Dont make me enlighten you idiot boy.

Because just like you they shit their pants whenever the Muslim threaten terrorism

Now go try to find your balls, they've probably rotted away in your moms purse

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 12/8/2017 6:27:30 AM

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I am talking more like, how US became US. With European sweeping in America and turning it to one of the most successful country on earth.

I mean if it was never conquered and left to Native Americans. I think US might be like Africa today.

Africa is the way it is today because it was conquered and exploited by Europeans, Greta.

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 12/8/2017 6:50:08 AM

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I am talking more like, how US became US. With European sweeping in America and turning it to one of the most successful country on earth.

I mean if it was never conquered and left to Native Americans. I think US might be like Africa today.

Africa is the way it is today because it was conquered and exploited by Europeans, Greta.

Right, it was so successful before

Especially with Muslims destroying any traces of civilization in the North because so much of it insulted Allah, and pillaging the rest of the continent for their vast bloody slave trade empire

(Since when was the Muslim death cult considered to be a European thing)

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 12/8/2017 6:52:22 AM

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Africa is the way it is today because it was conquered and exploited by Europeans, Greta.

You know that is not true. Europeans has conquered everywhere else too.

You see alot of French influence in Vietnam, Spanish influence in Philippines. I obviously live in a country with loads of British influence.

Like eventually when the European leaves, they progress.

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 12/8/2017 6:54:03 AM

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Africa is the way it is today because it was conquered and exploited by Europeans, Greta.

You know that is not true. Europeans has conquered everywhere else too.

You see alot of French influence in Vietnam, Spanish influence in Philippines.

Like eventually when the European leaves, they progress.

Starting with the Romans

How dare anyone spread civilized thought around

Why are leftists such self-loathing little imbiciles

Why do they prostrate themselves before (even practically worship) their real enemies

"Civilized white people BAD, death cult GOOD "

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RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags - 12/8/2017 7:31:19 AM

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It seems to me to be a very odd process when the 'capital' of a foreign country becomes an issue where Americans decide what's going to happen in a faraway country and one particularly dumb one uses this inflammatory issue to please his 'base'. Simply put the status of Jerusalem is not the USA's business, and not a matter that the USA should be interfering with in any way.

Some relevant facts: The Israeli annexation of Jerusalem in illegal under international law and has been condemned as such by the UN Security Council as "null and void". The annexation of land conquered by military force is illegal under international law and the Geneva Conventions. Israel's annexation of Jerusalem is there fore a war crime, and US approval is explicit approval of a war crime.

No good will come as a result of this particularly inept piece of foreign policy by the US. Already several people have died as a direct result of this action. If Americans are wondering why their country is so despised in the Arab and Muslim worlds, they might reflect on a few decades of policy as blatantly one sided and stupid as this entirely regrettable faux pas.

The world needs to be saved from Trump's ineptitude and the sooner he is impeached the better and the more grateful the world will be.

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