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Wrong. By your definition, the Jordanian annexation is a war crime. I realise you're not all that bright, but you can't point to rule of law when the law isn't applied equally.

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Arguing that the conflict is a religious one gets the cause-effect chain back-to-front, about as diametrically wrong as it's possible to be - though who would expect less of Bosco and A'ness?

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Arguing that the conflict is a religious one gets the cause-effect chain back-to-front, about as diametrically wrong as it's possible to be - though who would expect less of Bosco and A'ness?

And ... cue those experts on the Koran, citing all the relevant bloodthirsty bits. And that long list of nasty things that Muslims have done, again. We know how this goes, Tweak ....

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ORIGINAL: Danemora

When did calling folks "trash," disgnosing them as "literally insane" when you have no professional/educational credentials to do so, repeating "howler" like its the only word known, and reducing anyone you dont agree with to suffering from "cartoonish delusions" become proper debate etiquette, Bosco? You really are not the best example of it, so you are the absolute last person to say anything about anyone else's debate style.

And with you being rabidly anti-Muslim....there is no debating that can be done with you anyway.

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Wrong. By your definition, the Jordanian annexation is a war crime. I realise you're not all that bright, but you can't point to rule of law when the law isn't applied equally.

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Citing the Koran, facts and history, vs pure mindless ad hominems...

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In any given debate, there is no question who the leftists are

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Citing the Koran, facts and history, vs pure mindless ad hominems...

Since you don't know how cause and effect work, none of your facts and history - even if correct, which they usually aren't - aren't relevant anyway. And you keep using that phrase 'ad hominem' without knowing what it means. However,

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In any given debate, there is no question who the leftists are

... I won't argue with that.

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“We” being the west, idiot...

Now keep howling without touching what I wrote. It is entertaining!

The major tragic battles were fought against the Turks by Ansac troops and the failed British naval support at Galopoli. They hardly constitute the forces of the "West." Furthermore you neglect to credit the terror assaults of the Arabs against the Turks. They were hardly part of the West, and you ignore that the betrayal of the Arabs by the British is a major source of the current kerfuffle in the region. The British were warned by Coronal Lawrence, weren't they? All of that is relevant to the uprising of the Arabs which began in the 1920s. Your ignorance and facile commentary of the history highlights your mental vacancy and makes it impossible for anyone to respond to what your meanings are. Like I said of you: intellectual roadkill. Your "meanings" are empty.

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Which part of "events elsewhere are completely irrelevant to any determination of Israeli culpability" is too difficult for you to understand? The question is whether the Israeli annexation of East Jerusalem is legal or illegal under international law. It matters not an iota what happens elsewhere. The question is whether Israeli actions are criminal or not.

Wrong. By your definition, the Jordanian annexation is a war crime. I realise you're not all that bright, but you can't point to rule of law when the law isn't applied equally.

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Also, firing rockets into a civilian area is also a war crime - so the Arabs calling themselves 'Palestinians' are a group of war criminals. Don't bleat about international law - a concept you CLEARLY do not understand - when your entire concept of the law is something that only applies to Israel.

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Western Powers yes, separately, but Not the West collectively. You are unfortunately ignorant of the role played by Turk avarice for the lands of the Russian Empire then in disarray. The Turks fatally split their forces sending half into the unmanageable terrain to the north. Rivalry between the princes of Istanbul played an enormously important role in the demise of their Empire. It is not permissible to make even a passably convincing argument from such a flawed base of knowledge. I would suggest you study the political and military tactics employed by the Turks and the errors they made before giving so much credit to the West. Ottoman incompetence was legendary and justified reference to Turkey as the "weak man" of the German/Hungarian alliance.

You simply cannot sustain your debate positions by repeated insults to your opponents. Debate requires some level of comprehension of the underlying forces in the issue at hand. Ignorance of history is your main failing. You simply cannot cover it up by repeated ad hom attacks. The Ottoman Empire was self-destructive in 1917.

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Western Powers yes, separately, but Not the West collectively. You are unfortunately ignorant of the role played by Turk avarice for the lands of the Russian Empire then in disarray. The Turks fatally split their forces sending half into the unmanageable terrain to the north. Rivalry between the princes of Istanbul played an enormously important role in the demise of their Empire. It is not permissible to make even a passably convincing argument from such a flawed base of knowledge. I would suggest you study the political and military tactics employed by the Turks and the errors they made before giving so much credit to the West. Ottoman incompetence was legendary and justified reference to Turkey as the "weak man" of the German/Hungarian alliance.

You simply cannot sustain your debate positions by repeated insults to your opponents. Debate requires some level of comprehension of the underlying forces in the issue at hand. Ignorance of history is your main failing. You simply cannot cover it up by repeated ad hom attacks. The Ottoman Empire was self-destructive in 1917.

It is an interesting and relevant fact that in the last 150 or so years, there isn't a single Arab/Muslim country that has not been either invaded, conquered colonised and/or ruled by Western Powers at one time or another.

This is true for the entire arc of Arab/Muslim countries ranging from Morocco at the extreme west across North Africa through Arabia and the Middle East to Iran/Pakistan/Afghanistan at the east.

During the same period, not one Western country was invaded conquered colonised or ruled by foreign Arab/Muslim powers.

This pattern continues today where we find Western militaries active in multiple Arab/Muslim countries but not a single Arab/Muslim army active anywhere in the West. One can only imagine how much damage this continual humiliation has wreaked on the Arab/Muslim psyche and body politic. When we ponder the causes of the rise of Islamist extremism, this is surely one factor that needs serious consideration.

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The Arabs have hated the Jews for thousands of years. Mohammed spoke about how good it was to kill Jews over a thousand years ago. You are an uninformed fucking moron and a liar.

Making shit up again, A'ness. Have you no shame?

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Wrong. By your definition, the Jordanian annexation is a war crime. I realise you're not all that bright, but you can't point to rule of law when the law isn't applied equally.

It is a manifest fact of history that there is inequity in the application of the rules of law, but that does not trouble the powerful from proclaiming there is a "rule of law" in support of everything they do. Why are you so ignorant?

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Wrong. By your definition, the Jordanian annexation is a war crime. I realise you're not all that bright, but you can't point to rule of law when the law isn't applied equally.

Awareness please try to understand before one of us dies. The reason why the rule of law isn't applied equally is exactly why we have to insist on it being adhered to.

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It seems to have escaped your attention that this thread is about the status of Jerusalem, and Israel's illegal annexation of East Jerusalem. What happens elsewhere is irrelevant.

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Also, firing rockets into a civilian area is also a war crime - so the Arabs calling themselves 'Palestinians' are a group of war criminals. Don't bleat about international law - a concept you CLEARLY do not understand - when your entire concept of the law is something that only applies to Israel.

For once you are correct. Firing rockets into civilian areas is a war crime and all those who do it deserve to be dealt with severely after being given a fair trial, no matter who does it or why.

However the second part of your claim is incorrect. Only those Palestinians who commit these acts are war criminals, not all Palestinians as your post wrongly asserts.

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Of course by the very same token those Israelis - members of the IDF - who fire missiles heavy artillery and aerial bombardment into Palestinian civilian areas are just as guilty of war crimes as members of Hamas or Islamic Jihad and deserve to dealt with in exactly the same manner.

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Given your repeated complaints about one sided applications of the law, your one sided insistence that only Palestinians are war criminals tells us more about the blatant hypocrisy of your rabid anti-Palestinian racism than making any point with legal merit, no matter how tenuous or accidental.

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As is very clear from the above, I believe both sides have their war criminals. I see both sides as steeped in the blood of innocents and neither has any claim to moral superiority in this regard, as I have repeatedly and consistently posted on these boards. Each is as bad as the other.

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However Trump's idiotic recognition of Israel's illegal annexation of East Jerusalem places the US in a position whereby it is explicitly rewarding war criminals for their war crimes.

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The rest of your post degenerates into racial smears and abusive trash and deserves to be scornfully dismissed as such.

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You ought to be aware that those who defend the Israeli regime that enforces apartheid on the West Bank automatically forego any right to criticise others for alleged racism. All your racial smears achieve is to highlight the blatant hypocrisy and rampant racism that permeates your post and your worldview, such as it is.

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It is an interesting and relevant fact that in the last 150 or so years, there isn't a single Arab/Muslim country that has not been either invaded, conquered colonised and/or ruled by Western Powers at one time or another.

This is true for the entire arc of Arab/Muslim countries ranging from Morocco at the extreme west across North Africa through Arabia and the Middle East to Iran/Pakistan/Afghanistan at the east.

During the same period, not one Western country was invaded conquered colonised or ruled by foreign Arab/Muslim powers.

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This pattern continues today where we find Western militaries active in multiple Arab/Muslim countries but not a single Arab/Muslim army active anywhere in the West. One can only imagine how much damage this continual humiliation has wreaked on the Arab/Muslim psyche and body politic. When we ponder the causes of the rise of Islamist extremism, this is surely one factor that needs serious consideration.

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Wrong. By your definition, the Jordanian annexation is a war crime. I realise you're not all that bright, but you can't point to rule of law when the law isn't applied equally.

It is a manifest fact of history that there is inequity in the application of the rules of law, but that does not trouble the powerful from proclaiming there is a "rule of law" in support of everything they do. Why are you so ignorant?

You're retarded. You and the other terrorism apologists are arguing for the rule of law to be applied to Israel, but not to the Arab terrorists, then complain that it's always been that way.

You're puncturing your own argument, you fucking dipshit.

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They built barbaric, women-subjugating, gay-killing, theocratic empires for a thousand years and the West has had enough and refuses to let them do it again. Why on earth would you find this surprising?