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No joke, I am truly interested in why no one has spoken up


Dispite the statements to the contrary, society is still male oriented
  43% (7)
There are more profits made selling the drugs to treat side effects
  31% (5)
If women really wanted safer birth control, they would raise hell
  12% (2)
If it works, why worry about the percentage of women harmed
  0% (0)
No one has really given the problem much thought
  6% (1)
Its up to the FDA to push finding a solution
  6% (1)


Total Votes : 16


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No joke, I am truly interested in why no one has spoken up - 12/16/2017 9:57:52 AM   
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Some years ago, Pfizer pharmaceuticals developed the wonder drug Viagra.

This was followed by GlaxoSmithKline discovering Cialis, which was developed by Icos, and manufactured and marketed by Eli Lilly pharmaceuticals.

Both drugs have the possible side effect of abnormal vision, sometimes temporary and sometimes permanent.

Now, after this was discovered, warning labels were put in the drug packaging and the developers went back and began research into making the drug safer for men to use.

This is not a bad thing.

Now, on the flip side.

Hormonal birth control uses the synthetic hormones progestin and a synthetic estrogen.

These primary egg and implantation inhibitors have not changed since the pill was first introduced.

Now the side effects of hormonal birth control (in no particular order) can be blood clotting problems, acne, stroke, and a higher risk of cervical cancer, breast cancer and weight gain.

Now, here are my questions.

The developers of the erection dysfunction drugs went back and spent billions trying to make the drugs less likely to produce the harmful side effects, and one result was the timed release formula that is an option today.

Now since the first signs that hormonal birth control can actually be life threatening, there has been a number of studies to find out how often and why, and not by the companies that developed the drugs.

While no final word on why has been agreed on, there are a growing number that feel the synthetic hormones are at the root cause.

However, there has been no real effort on the part of pharmaceutical companies to either find a safer alternative or even to make the drugs safer.

Although a study performed by Harvard medical some years ago found that using the form of estrogen found in mare urine has the same birth control effect without the side effects.

Now, it is a fact that the synthetic form of estrogen used in birth control is derived from this source, it was altered by the developer to gain a patent, thus the term synthesized.

With that being said, please consider the options posted.

And the reason this has become an issue is not the abortion question, but the simple fact that a long time friend was recently diagnosed with both breast and cervical cancers, and her doctor came to the conclusion that since the only risk factor in her life was 14 years of taking birth control pills, she is one of the small number of women that should not have taken the pill.


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RE: No joke, I am truly interested in why no one has sp... - 12/16/2017 10:17:52 AM   
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Second to the CIA on a geopolitical front, the FDA is totally corrupt on the financial front.

The entire medical profession was founded by corp. contribution that then required their 'charity' which were really investments in a whole new marketplace to create treatments through...pills and liquids.

They successfully ran propaganda against phytomedicine, the use of natural herbs, fruits and diet to cure disease.

Hence yes, the whole purpose of the industrialized medical industry was to learn how to prescribe pills and other treatments...not cures.

Cures are a one-time profit, treatments are regularly profitable and have been now for well over 100 years, since the creation of the 'medical industry.'

Which has lead to a regime that does all of its work, research and dev., only to treat symptoms...never curing them.

It is illegal for example...to cure cancer. Literally billion$ every year spent on cancer research, is 'treat' your cancer...not cure it. Yet MSK cured cancer in 1896 before the pill regime took over yet...now they can't ? (cancer = $350 billion market with $50 billion in yearly profits)

As for your subject patient, she is first to be a profit center both in taking any pills or medication at all and then of course, as always...any necessary follow-up 'treatment.' I mean isn't it just so precious how Drs. can so easily go from treatment to treatment ?

Live long and of course...prosper.



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RE: No joke, I am truly interested in why no one has sp... - 12/16/2017 11:14:09 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Some years ago, Pfizer pharmaceuticals developed the wonder drug Viagra.
This was followed by GlaxoSmithKline discovering Cialis, which was developed by Icos, and manufactured and marketed by Eli Lilly pharmaceuticals.
Both drugs have the possible side effect of abnormal vision, sometimes temporary and sometimes permanent.
Now, after this was discovered, warning labels were put in the drug packaging and the developers went back and began research into making the drug safer for men to use.
This is not a bad thing.
Now, on the flip side.
Hormonal birth control uses the synthetic hormones progestin and a synthetic estrogen.
These primary egg and implantation inhibitors have not changed since the pill was first introduced.
Now the side effects of hormonal birth control (in no particular order) can be blood clotting problems, acne, stroke, and a higher risk of cervical cancer, breast cancer and weight gain.
Now, here are my questions.
The developers of the erection dysfunction drugs went back and spent billions trying to make the drugs less likely to produce the harmful side effects, and one result was the timed release formula that is an option today.
Now since the first signs that hormonal birth control can actually be life threatening, there has been a number of studies to find out how often and why, and not by the companies that developed the drugs.
While no final word on why has been agreed on, there are a growing number that feel the synthetic hormones are at the root cause.
However, there has been no real effort on the part of pharmaceutical companies to either find a safer alternative or even to make the drugs safer.
Although a study performed by Harvard medical some years ago found that using the form of estrogen found in mare urine has the same birth control effect without the side effects.
Now, it is a fact that the synthetic form of estrogen used in birth control is derived from this source, it was altered by the developer to gain a patent, thus the term synthesized.
With that being said, please consider the options posted.
And the reason this has become an issue is not the abortion question, but the simple fact that a long time friend was recently diagnosed with both breast and cervical cancers, and her doctor came to the conclusion that since the only risk factor in her life was 14 years of taking birth control pills, she is one of the small number of women that should not have taken the pill.


Honest question (because I honestly don't know the answer), what is the rate at which the negative side effects occurred for ED-treating drugs vs hormonal BC medicines? If the risks of side effects are quite low for hormonal BC, but the risks were quite high for the ED meds, I can see why they'd go after reducing the ED med side effects.


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RE: No joke, I am truly interested in why no one has sp... - 12/16/2017 11:56:18 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Some years ago, Pfizer pharmaceuticals developed the wonder drug Viagra.
This was followed by GlaxoSmithKline discovering Cialis, which was developed by Icos, and manufactured and marketed by Eli Lilly pharmaceuticals.
Both drugs have the possible side effect of abnormal vision, sometimes temporary and sometimes permanent.
Now, after this was discovered, warning labels were put in the drug packaging and the developers went back and began research into making the drug safer for men to use.
This is not a bad thing.
Now, on the flip side.
Hormonal birth control uses the synthetic hormones progestin and a synthetic estrogen.
These primary egg and implantation inhibitors have not changed since the pill was first introduced.
Now the side effects of hormonal birth control (in no particular order) can be blood clotting problems, acne, stroke, and a higher risk of cervical cancer, breast cancer and weight gain.
Now, here are my questions.
The developers of the erection dysfunction drugs went back and spent billions trying to make the drugs less likely to produce the harmful side effects, and one result was the timed release formula that is an option today.
Now since the first signs that hormonal birth control can actually be life threatening, there has been a number of studies to find out how often and why, and not by the companies that developed the drugs.
While no final word on why has been agreed on, there are a growing number that feel the synthetic hormones are at the root cause.
However, there has been no real effort on the part of pharmaceutical companies to either find a safer alternative or even to make the drugs safer.
Although a study performed by Harvard medical some years ago found that using the form of estrogen found in mare urine has the same birth control effect without the side effects.
Now, it is a fact that the synthetic form of estrogen used in birth control is derived from this source, it was altered by the developer to gain a patent, thus the term synthesized.
With that being said, please consider the options posted.
And the reason this has become an issue is not the abortion question, but the simple fact that a long time friend was recently diagnosed with both breast and cervical cancers, and her doctor came to the conclusion that since the only risk factor in her life was 14 years of taking birth control pills, she is one of the small number of women that should not have taken the pill.


Honest question (because I honestly don't know the answer), what is the rate at which the negative side effects occurred for ED-treating drugs vs hormonal BC medicines? If the risks of side effects are quite low for hormonal BC, but the risks were quite high for the ED meds, I can see why they'd go after reducing the ED med side effects.


A reasonable and considered argument.
I think Jeff's suspicion in the OP is that birth control pills are a lot more likely to produce side effects than ED treatments, and certainly that the side effects from hormone laden contraceptive pills are rather more alarming and permanent than a little blurred vision. Even if the percentages were identical, a lot more women are on the pill than men are on viagra or ciallis, after all.
I'm aware that there were feminist arguments about the fact that tranquillisers can cause brain damage being anti-feminist ho bashing by the male conspiracy in big pharma who were keen to put wymyn on happy pills at every opportunity, but this one does seem a bit more clear and harder to ignore. It's hard not to suggest a cultural imperative behind the fact that prick stiffening pills had the side effects fixed, while birth control pills can still have catastrophic effects on some skank who wants to have a sex life without getting pregnant, even now...

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RE: No joke, I am truly interested in why no one has sp... - 12/16/2017 12:28:40 PM   
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A reasonable and considered argument.
I think Jeff's suspicion in the OP is that birth control pills are a lot more likely to produce side effects than ED treatments, and certainly that the side effects from hormone laden contraceptive pills are rather more alarming and permanent than a little blurred vision. Even if the percentages were identical, a lot more women are on the pill than men are on viagra or ciallis, after all.
I'm aware that there were feminist arguments about the fact that tranquillisers can cause brain damage being anti-feminist ho bashing by the male conspiracy in big pharma who were keen to put wymyn on happy pills at every opportunity, but this one does seem a bit more clear and harder to ignore. It's hard not to suggest a cultural imperative behind the fact that prick stiffening pills had the side effects fixed, while birth control pills can still have catastrophic effects on some skank who wants to have a sex life without getting pregnant, even now...


Apparently you missed the part where the blurred vision was sometimes permanent...

Your opinion on the matter doesn't really answer the question.

Just to put it out there, my vote in the poll was for #2. I do think that's the reason. Men won't be taking Viagra every day, but women will be on the pill. More side effects = mo' money, mo' money, mo' money.


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RE: No joke, I am truly interested in why no one has sp... - 12/16/2017 12:37:56 PM   
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Are you saying that men's health seems to be more important than women's?

Myself... more money is spend on women than men by a long shot... But the bottom line is money talks and pharmaceuticals will always follow the money.

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RE: No joke, I am truly interested in why no one has sp... - 12/16/2017 3:57:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Some years ago, Pfizer pharmaceuticals developed the wonder drug Viagra.
This was followed by GlaxoSmithKline discovering Cialis, which was developed by Icos, and manufactured and marketed by Eli Lilly pharmaceuticals.
Both drugs have the possible side effect of abnormal vision, sometimes temporary and sometimes permanent.
Now, after this was discovered, warning labels were put in the drug packaging and the developers went back and began research into making the drug safer for men to use.
This is not a bad thing.
Now, on the flip side.
Hormonal birth control uses the synthetic hormones progestin and a synthetic estrogen.
These primary egg and implantation inhibitors have not changed since the pill was first introduced.
Now the side effects of hormonal birth control (in no particular order) can be blood clotting problems, acne, stroke, and a higher risk of cervical cancer, breast cancer and weight gain.
Now, here are my questions.
The developers of the erection dysfunction drugs went back and spent billions trying to make the drugs less likely to produce the harmful side effects, and one result was the timed release formula that is an option today.
Now since the first signs that hormonal birth control can actually be life threatening, there has been a number of studies to find out how often and why, and not by the companies that developed the drugs.
While no final word on why has been agreed on, there are a growing number that feel the synthetic hormones are at the root cause.
However, there has been no real effort on the part of pharmaceutical companies to either find a safer alternative or even to make the drugs safer.
Although a study performed by Harvard medical some years ago found that using the form of estrogen found in mare urine has the same birth control effect without the side effects.
Now, it is a fact that the synthetic form of estrogen used in birth control is derived from this source, it was altered by the developer to gain a patent, thus the term synthesized.
With that being said, please consider the options posted.
And the reason this has become an issue is not the abortion question, but the simple fact that a long time friend was recently diagnosed with both breast and cervical cancers, and her doctor came to the conclusion that since the only risk factor in her life was 14 years of taking birth control pills, she is one of the small number of women that should not have taken the pill.


Honest question (because I honestly don't know the answer), what is the rate at which the negative side effects occurred for ED-treating drugs vs hormonal BC medicines? If the risks of side effects are quite low for hormonal BC, but the risks were quite high for the ED meds, I can see why they'd go after reducing the ED med side effects.




The risk of side effects from hormonal based birth control is beginning to look like they are cumulative, meaning the longer the woman is on them the higher the chance of a harmful side effect.

But then there are other studies showing that a few distinct groups of women are more prone than others. The problem with these studies, is that these groups do not seem to fall to into a specific category, such as ethnicity.

It has only really been in the last decade or two that any real serious study has been made, and funding for any real in depth studies are limited, because as you said, the over all risk is not that great.

The friend I mentioned had been on birth control for just under 14 years, after having one set of twins and one set of triplets. The insurance carrier she had at the time would fully cover birth control pills, but any surgical based prevention feel under the category of 'elective' surgery. (another big beef I have with insurance carriers, but not just in birth control, but other so called elective surgeries)

As far as the 'at risk' groups, her doctor compared it to a known phenomena involving MS.

Multiple Sclerosis, has shown up in clusters. One such cluster involved some professional football players which trained in Arizona. The only abnormal incident involved the fact that the practice field had been fertilized with treated human and dairy waste. But other athletic fields had been as well and no one had developed the disease.


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RE: No joke, I am truly interested in why no one has sp... - 12/16/2017 4:46:52 PM   
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However, there has been no real effort on the part of pharmaceutical companies to either find a safer alternative or even to make the drugs safer.


im terribly sorry to hear about your friend.

but please, im sure ive said stuff like this to you before, you simply cannot say stuff like whats above without referencing it. the entire premise of your post is captured in this sentence and the reader has absolutely no idea as to whether or not its true.

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RE: No joke, I am truly interested in why no one has sp... - 12/16/2017 8:20:16 PM   
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However, there has been no real effort on the part of pharmaceutical companies to either find a safer alternative or even to make the drugs safer.


Might have something to do with the sizes of the markets. The market for ED pills is three times the market for oral contraceptives. 30 million ED men vs 10 million women.

The disparity was probably much greater early on when there was such massive hype for Pfizer stock and there was a lot of negative pressure against women using the pill.

Just some thoughts provoked by your interesting question.

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RE: No joke, I am truly interested in why no one has sp... - 12/16/2017 9:06:48 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961
However, there has been no real effort on the part of pharmaceutical companies to either find a safer alternative or even to make the drugs safer.


im terribly sorry to hear about your friend.

but please, im sure ive said stuff like this to you before, you simply cannot say stuff like whats above without referencing it. the entire premise of your post is captured in this sentence and the reader has absolutely no idea as to whether or not its true.



I have her doctor trying to find me the studies done at Harvard, UCLA medical.

I have found some stuff online, but to be honest, the articles are on the pages of some less than trust worthy sites.

However, you might want to look at this.

Then there is this study.




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RE: No joke, I am truly interested in why no one has sp... - 12/16/2017 9:51:03 PM   
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.. still trying to figure out what we are supposed to speak up about as it isn't mentioned in the starting post.

"Cancer" has not been cured because the word means "runaway cell growth" and is a symptom of a condition and not a condition itself.
Conditions causing cancer can be:
Mutation... due to chemical mutagens or the rare radiation induced mutation.
Mesothelioma is one of the direct link causes in the medical books. Mesothelioma is cancer of the abdominal wall caused by asbestos fibers migrating to the abdominal cavity.

Viral - yep ,there are some retroviruses that cause cancerous tumors over time.
Some types of leukemia are viral in instigation.

Genetic - genetic disposition coupled with a triggering substance accounts for a lot of cancers. Lung cancer triggered by coal tar exposure is a good example of that one.

Mucking with the hormones is one sort of chemical trigger that can cause cancer. It has been known that susceptible persons can develop ovarian cancer from oral contraceptives since the middle 1970s. That is why the medical questionnaires want to know about grandparents, aunts, and uncles before getting oral contraceptives prescribed. Are you in the high risk group?

All drugs have side effects. Are the health risks of the side effects worth the benefit of the drug? That is where you get informed instead of taking what a physician says as gospel. Diagnoses and treatments don't come on stone tablets from burning bushes. And. those physicians that think they get a Saint's infallibility halo along with their diploma really don't care for that attitude.

Sidebar; Viagra is a re-purposed drug. During clinical trials it was found to be crap with too many side effects for use in blood pressure control. But the mild priapic tendency was a side effect the guys in the trial wanted to keep. So things were redone and a new trial for a new purpose was done.
Want a example of a crap drug approved to appease a political agenda; look at "Addy". Max 2% chance it will have any of the intended effect at all and that effect only intermittently.

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RE: No joke, I am truly interested in why no one has sp... - 12/16/2017 10:08:59 PM   
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It has only really been in the last decade or two that any real serious study has been made, and funding for any real in depth studies are limited, because as you said, the over all risk is not that great.


I didn't say it. I asked about it. I fully acknowledged I didn't know the answers.




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RE: No joke, I am truly interested in why no one has sp... - 12/16/2017 10:18:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

mo' money, mo' money, mo' money.




yep here is the burzinski cancer cure story, you know the 'unproven' quack in texas that the US Protectorate FDA commissioned to keep us safe just happened to throw in jail and stole all his patents for themselves.

Demonizing someone who deserves to be canonized a saint.



quote:

The Burzynski Clinic is a medical clinic in Texas, United States founded in 1976 and offering unproven cancer treatment. It is best known for the controversial "antineoplaston therapy", a chemotherapy using compounds it calls antineoplastons, devised by the clinic's founder Stanislaw Burzynski in the 1970s. There is no accepted scientific evidence of benefit from antineoplaston combinations for various diseases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burzynski_Clinic


and gubmint agencies is the SOLE reason its 'unproven'.



The Patents

NARRATOR:
Most of us would assume, that with any story such as this, surely there’s another side to it. Our story is no exception. After the National Cancer Institute intentionally violated all protocols of their own Antineoplaston trials, and after all state and federal agencies had failed in their 14-year campaign to remove Burzynski from society—after all of the dust settled—a profound truth began to emerge.

NARRATOR (reading from highlighted sections of an internal NCI memo, 10/31/91):
It was October 4th, 1991, that America’s National Cancer Institute hosted their site visit to Burzynski’s clinic, and verified for themselves that “anti-tumor activity was documented by the use of Antineoplastons.”

http://www.burzynskimovie.com/typography/chapter-9-

One month into America’s criminal trial against Burzynski, America’s first patent on Antineoplaston AS2-1 is approved. A month after America fails in their second trial against Burzynski, their second and third Antineoplaston patents are approved.

Over the course of the next three years, the United States patent office approves all eleven copy-cat patents on Antineoplastons AS2-1.

(reading from highlighted sections of numerous USA Patents on Antineoplastons):

In March of the following year, America files it’s most extensive updated Antineoplaston patent to date, spanning one hundred and eleven pages.
US Patent #US5635532

https://patents.google.com/patent/US5635532A/en?sch
Original Assignee US Department of Health and Human Services
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/0d/11/3
Along this line, promising antineoplastic activities have been demonstrated
US Patent #US5605930

Original Assignee US Department of Health and Human Services
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5605930A/en?sch
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/9b/4a/c
Specifically, the invention provides a method of treating or preventing various neoplastic conditions.
The invention also provides a method of treating or preventing a viral infection in a subject. Relatedly, the invention provides a method of treating an AIDS-associated dysfunction of the central nervous system in a subject.

Also provided is a method of modulating the production of IL-6 or TGFα and TGF-β2 both in vitro and in vivo. Typically, IL-6 and TGF-β2 are inhibited while TGFα is induced.

The invention also provides a method of enhancing immunosurveillance and promoting wound healing in a subject.
US Patent #US5852056

https://patents.google.com/patent/US5852056A/en?sch
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/62/e0/8
Original Assignee US Department of Health and Human Services
Phenylacetate and derivatives alone or in combination with other compounds against neoplastic conditions and other disorders
The present invention provides a further method of treating a neoplastic condition in a subject,
US Patent #US5654333

Original Assignee US Department of Health and Human Services
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/62/e0/8
Methods for prevention of cancer using phenylacetic acids and derivatives thereof

Compositions and methods of treating anemia, cancer, AIDS, or severe β-chain hemoglobinopathies by administering a therapeutically effective amount of phenylacetate or pharmaceutically acceptable derivatives thereof or derivatives thereof alone or in combination or in conjunction with other therapeutic agents. Pharmacologically-acceptable salts alone or in combinations and methods of preventing AIDS and malignant conditions, and inducing cell differentiation are also aspects of this invention.
US Patent #US5661179

Original Assignee US Department of Health and Human Services
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/e6/a1/2
Methods for treating neoplastic conditions using phenylacetic acid and derivatives thereof
US Patent #US5635533

Original Assignee US Department of Health and Human Services
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/22/3a/d
Methods for inducing differentiation of a cell using phenyacetic acid and derivatives
US Patent #US5710178

Original Assignee US Department of Health and Human Services
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/e7/9e/1
Compositions and methods for therapy and prevention of pathologies including cancer, AIDS, and anemia
US Patent #US5843994

Original Assignee US Department of Health and Human Services
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/2a/1b/9
Compositions and methods for treating and preventing pathologies including cancer
US Patent #US5877213

Original Assignee US Department of Health and Human Services
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/40/25/8
Compositions and methods for therapy and prevention of cancer, AIDS, and anemia


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RE: No joke, I am truly interested in why no one has sp... - 12/16/2017 10:21:29 PM   
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.. still trying to figure out what we are supposed to speak up about as it isn't mentioned in the starting post.

"Cancer" has not been cured because the word means "runaway cell growth" and is a symptom of a condition and not a condition itself.
Conditions causing cancer can be:
Mutation... due to chemical mutagens or the rare radiation induced mutation.
Mesothelioma is one of the direct link causes in the medical books. Mesothelioma is cancer of the abdominal wall caused by asbestos fibers migrating to the abdominal cavity.

Viral - yep ,there are some retroviruses that cause cancerous tumors over time.
Some types of leukemia are viral in instigation.

Genetic - genetic disposition coupled with a triggering substance accounts for a lot of cancers. Lung cancer triggered by coal tar exposure is a good example of that one.

Mucking with the hormones is one sort of chemical trigger that can cause cancer. It has been known that susceptible persons can develop ovarian cancer from oral contraceptives since the middle 1970s. That is why the medical questionnaires want to know about grandparents, aunts, and uncles before getting oral contraceptives prescribed. Are you in the high risk group?

All drugs have side effects. Are the health risks of the side effects worth the benefit of the drug? That is where you get informed instead of taking what a physician says as gospel. Diagnoses and treatments don't come on stone tablets from burning bushes. And. those physicians that think they get a Saint's infallibility halo along with their diploma really don't care for that attitude.

Sidebar; Viagra is a re-purposed drug. During clinical trials it was found to be crap with too many side effects for use in blood pressure control. But the mild priapic tendency was a side effect the guys in the trial wanted to keep. So things were redone and a new trial for a new purpose was done.
Want a example of a crap drug approved to appease a political agenda; look at "Addy". Max 2% chance it will have any of the intended effect at all and that effect only intermittently.


Thank you for this post.
I was talking to a family member who is a lawyer, reading the cases about those communities with high cancer rates, that are living around landfill contamination, hazardous and toxic waste sites, and high areas of pollution, etc.
Between what is dumped into our water, toxic waste dumps, power lines, radiation, what the hell is in the air, what is in our food, environmental contaminants will be the end of most of us, drugs which we are not really informed about/nor have we researched, medical treatments that we often accept over less invasive alternative treatments, the list goes on and on.

The link between birth control pills/estrogen/and increased risk of cancer, I knew about in the 80s.

Theepoch times= Cancer birth control link has been known for decades

This article states big Pharma has known about the increased risk since 1969.

Who the hell trusts the man? the government? pharmaceutical companies/greedy corporate soulless bastards?

Who the hell thinks most pharmaceutical companies care about people over profits?
They care about lawsuits, because it "might" hurt their bottom line.

Do you THINK they have your back?
I have never fucking trusted them.



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RE: No joke, I am truly interested in why no one has sp... - 12/16/2017 10:25:46 PM   
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The reason we have these conditions is that you still have too many people stupid enough tot believe what the gubmint tells them. waco and 911 was so in our faces thankfully it served to open at least a few peoples eyes to whats really going on in our peace loving democracy spreading gubmint. In order to survive in todays world you have to be everything. Doctor, Lawyer, Physicist, Chemist, Nutritionist.....and the beat goes on,,,,,mo money!

Take a look at what they did to burzinski, thats the real america.

The Food & Drug Administration vs. Stanislaw Burzynski, MD, PhD
http://www.burzynskimovie.com/typography/chapter-7-of-10-sourced-transcript/#.WjYPeeO7phE
This ended up in a congressional subcommittee investigation, but congress does not govern this country mo money does.

Brain tumor:
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seriously help you!
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RE: No joke, I am truly interested in why no one has sp... - 12/16/2017 11:52:15 PM   
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yep....
It was only a mere few years ago this board was packed with tards and posers shutting down legitimate discussions ranting 'conspiracy theorist' every time someone tried to bring these issues (crimes against the people) into the light. Well I made a prediction didnt I :)

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

Over 10 years later the chickens finally come home to roost as more people are starting to research only to discover how we are getting fucked by our loving benevolent kleptocracy and paying for it with our tax dollars. Its no longer where is the corruption, its where isnt there 'total' corruption.

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RE: No joke, I am truly interested in why no one has sp... - 12/17/2017 7:07:47 AM   
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neither of those pieces address your premise. the issue isn't whether or not theres a link between cancers and birth control, but rather your statement of that no advances have been made in terms of birth control pill safety.

the only way to do that is to show that the medicine is exactly the same since it was first created, and that no alternatives to that original medicine have been developed. or that, in spite of changes, morbidity rates have stayed the same.

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RE: No joke, I am truly interested in why no one has sp... - 12/17/2017 8:34:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

neither of those pieces address your premise. the issue isn't whether or not theres a link between cancers and birth control, but rather your statement of that no advances have been made in terms of birth control pill safety.

the only way to do that is to show that the medicine is exactly the same since it was first created, and that no alternatives to that original medicine have been developed. or that, in spite of changes, morbidity rates have stayed the same.

Dunno about the choices over the pond in the US but over here, there are dozens of different types of female birth control pill, all with slightly different compunds.
Doctors here ask about your family history and select which they think best fits. If you suffer some side effects, they change to a different one until they eventually find one that has the fewest problems.
In my mums day, there was only one option - on it or not as there wasn't any choice of different types.

That kinda debunks Jeff's assertion that they have made no advances on birth control safety.


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RE: No joke, I am truly interested in why no one has sp... - 12/17/2017 2:30:38 PM   
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quote:

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You wont like it, but here is the answer to your questions that spans the whole medical industry, and one segment talks specifically about breast cancer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX8saD8fATw

wait till you hear how they treated the president!

Money drowns voices and rights!

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RE: No joke, I am truly interested in why no one has sp... - 12/17/2017 4:07:50 PM   
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You really didn't have the answer I was looking for, I was looking for something along the line of there wasn't enough profit motive in it for the pharmaceutical company to do anything about. So I went with the one answer that had something to do with making more profit.

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