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Limbaugh and company not interested in truth - 12/18/2017 5:33:42 AM   
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Or at least they have no fucking clue as to what they are talking about.

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“Now we find out that Robert Ohr’s wife applied for a ham radio license?” said Rush Limbaugh as he opened his show on December 14, not even three full days after it surfaced on Twitter.

“They were communicating by ham radio,” Limbaugh declared with authority, adding that it was an effort to get around monitoring efforts of the National Security Agency, evidently to facilitate contacts by Orr and former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele.
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Rush is referring to Nellie Orr, the wife of Robert Ohr and former employee of Fusion GPS.

And the holder of the lowest class of HAM license, which has severe limits on what bands she can use and the max wattage output of her equipment.

Which means that in order to use HAM radio to communicate with the guy that put the dossier together against Trump she would have had to have absolute perfect conditions and damn good luck.

So either Rush has no clue as to how radio actually works, or he just doesnt give a shit about the truth and is pulling shit out of his ass, or both.

Now for those who do not know how long distance radio communication is achieved, I will explain, in very simple terms.

There are three ways to talk to someone half way around the world.

1) A lot of raw power.
For example, WWL, an AM radio station in New Orleans used to broad cast to almost the entire continental US for one simple reason, they used to be licensed for 100,000 watts of broadcast power.

HAM radio operators in the US are limited to 1000 watts max, which is considerably less than your local music station on AM or FM.

So that method is out of the question.

2) SKIP

Skip refers to bouncing your signal off the various layers of the atmosphere, made possible by the charge the atmosphere picks up by solar activity, which is dependent on sun spots on the sun, or the rare solar storm out put.

Or in other words, the same solar conditions that create the intensity of the Auroras.

3) Satellite bounce.

Amateur radio operators can bounce signals off satellites. Specifically satellites that were put in orbit for that reason. In the US, these are called Oscars. And they are not very complicated, have limited abilities, and built by HAM operators themselves, with parts bought at places like Radio Shack.

But using an Oscar basically means that you have to take your turn, and communications are limited to exchanging QSL information.

So it boils down to the simple fact that Rush and all those like him are pretty much spouting bullshit for ratings.

At least I hope so, because if they really believe this crap, they really need professional help, and lots and lots of medication.

Oh, there is one more point that should be mentioned.

HAM radio operators who do hold licenses that allow them to broadcast up to 1000 watts have one other, little, small, caveat on their broadcasting ability.

IF they are broadcasting within the limits of their license, and their transmissions interfere with their neighbors receiving local radio or tv broadcasts in any way shape or form, they are required by law to either come up with a way to stop the interference or cut back on the power of their broadcasts.

So, as a favor to HAM operators in the US from both parties, if you are a Rush fan, please call into his show or drop him a line somehow and tell him to either get his facts straight and learn the science behind his claims, or shut the fuck up about shit he knows nothing about.



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RE: Limbaugh and company not interested in truth - 12/18/2017 5:47:07 AM   
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Your argument seems to be based on geography.

Is it possible for either Ohr or Steele to have traveled so as to be on the same continent/within close proximity and still used the HAM for its "secrecy"?

I never had a HAM license, but I was very involved in the C.B. craze of 1976 and knew quite a few HAM operators. I also knew C.B.ers who employed 2,000 watt, bi-linear amplifiers who could talk to people over most of our country and eight foreign countries (mostly in central and South America, but at least one country in Europe) at night and when "skip" conditions were nominal to good.

No chance it's not about geography and maybe just about a will to avoid detection?





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RE: jlf1961 and company not interested in truth - 12/18/2017 6:42:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Or at least they have no fucking clue as to what they are talking about.

quote:

“Now we find out that Robert Ohr’s wife applied for a ham radio license?” said Rush Limbaugh as he opened his show on December 14, not even three full days after it surfaced on Twitter.

“They were communicating by ham radio,” Limbaugh declared with authority, adding that it was an effort to get around monitoring efforts of the National Security Agency, evidently to facilitate contacts by Orr and former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele.
source

Rush is referring to Nellie Orr, the wife of Robert Ohr and former employee of Fusion GPS.

And the holder of the lowest class of HAM license, which has severe limits on what bands she can use and the max wattage output of her equipment.

Which means that in order to use HAM radio to communicate with the guy that put the dossier together against Trump she would have had to have absolute perfect conditions and damn good luck.

So either Rush has no clue as to how radio actually works, or he just doesnt give a shit about the truth and is pulling shit out of his ass, or both.

Now for those who do not know how long distance radio communication is achieved, I will explain, in very simple terms.

There are three ways to talk to someone half way around the world.

1) A lot of raw power.
For example, WWL, an AM radio station in New Orleans used to broad cast to almost the entire continental US for one simple reason, they used to be licensed for 100,000 watts of broadcast power.

HAM radio operators in the US are limited to 1000 watts max, which is considerably less than your local music station on AM or FM.

So that method is out of the question.

2) SKIP

Skip refers to bouncing your signal off the various layers of the atmosphere, made possible by the charge the atmosphere picks up by solar activity, which is dependent on sun spots on the sun, or the rare solar storm out put.

Or in other words, the same solar conditions that create the intensity of the Auroras.

3) Satellite bounce.

Amateur radio operators can bounce signals off satellites. Specifically satellites that were put in orbit for that reason. In the US, these are called Oscars. And they are not very complicated, have limited abilities, and built by HAM operators themselves, with parts bought at places like Radio Shack.

But using an Oscar basically means that you have to take your turn, and communications are limited to exchanging QSL information.

So it boils down to the simple fact that Rush and all those like him are pretty much spouting bullshit for ratings.

At least I hope so, because if they really believe this crap, they really need professional help, and lots and lots of medication.

Oh, there is one more point that should be mentioned.

HAM radio operators who do hold licenses that allow them to broadcast up to 1000 watts have one other, little, small, caveat on their broadcasting ability.

IF they are broadcasting within the limits of their license, and their transmissions interfere with their neighbors receiving local radio or tv broadcasts in any way shape or form, they are required by law to either come up with a way to stop the interference or cut back on the power of their broadcasts.

So, as a favor to HAM operators in the US from both parties, if you are a Rush fan, please call into his show or drop him a line somehow and tell him to either get his facts straight and learn the science behind his claims, or shut the fuck up about shit he knows nothing about.




You are the liar

The problem for fat lying pigs like you is that Rush publishes his transcripts word for word every day, so that you dogshit losers can't do this kind of lowdown sleazy shit

And here is the transcript from that broadcast... Nothing about communicating with Steele whatsoever - he was referring to FBI agents discussing among themselves how to manipulate the investigation to help Hillary and harm Donald Trump:

It Wasn’t the Russians! Trump-Hating Mueller Investigators Meddled in the Election

RUSH: So have you heard the latest on Strzok and Robert Ohr, DOJ, and his wife Nellie? You know, they were communicating by ham radio. She applied for a ham radio license during their investigation of Trump, all this time they were prepping the Trump dossier, so that their communications couldn’t be monitored by anybody.

They’re sitting in the deputy director of the FBI’s office, and they’re talking politics. They’re talking politics! They’re not talking the investigation. They’re talking politics! Strzok is sitting there saying (imitating Strzok), “Well, I don’t know. Your idea –” talking to his mistress, Lisa Page. “I don’t know your plan, your theory here that Trump has no way of winning, I don’t know, we need a backup plan, we can’t count on that.” They’re talking politics inside the FBI’s office, the deputy director.

Now we find out that Robert Ohr’s wife applied for a ham radio license? This is shortwave, ladies and gentlemen. Apparently the NSA doesn’t monitor shortwave. That kind of surprised me. I thought the NSA Hoovered up everything. But the point is that they were looking for a communications ability that could not be monitored during a so-called up and up investigation.

I tell you, I’m getting so frustrated at people who say, “Look, we gotta be able to understand that people of different political persuasions can conduct a fair investigation. Just because the investigators may be partisan Hillary donors or Hillary supporters doesn’t mean they’re not good lawmen.” Why are we so obtuse? Why don’t we see what’s going on? Well, enough of us do.

I know there are people that want to protect the reputation of the FBI, and there are people that want to protect the reputation of DOJ and all this at all costs because of the overall importance long-term of those institutions. But, for crying out loud, some of this stuff is just now getting to be beyond the pale and beyond any ability to rationalize it as what they claim it is, an aboveboard, fair, nonpartisan, unbiased investigation. It’s quite the opposite.

I’ll tell you something else that bugs me. You know, yesterday was crabby? Well, I’m crabby, ’cause I’ll tell you why I’m crabby today. Because yesterday everybody’s telling me how crabby they are. Today I’ve got nothing but pessimism. You would not believe the email, pessimism, fatalism. You people don’t know what I put up with here every day. It’s incredible! You know, everybody dumps on me. Everybody tells me how mad they are, how depressed they are, how ticked off, how whatever. I can’t do that with anybody. Do you realize I can’t whine to anybody. I can’t complain to anybody ’cause when I do it it’s news.

“You should have heard what Rush told me the other day,” blam, blam, blam, and then it’s everywhere. I have to hold everything in. Hang on. My alarm just went off here. I gotta unplug the phone, make sure it doesn’t charge too much. I have a technique here. Here we go. Done. So I have to — (interruption) What do you mean, ‘”Talk to the cat”? How do I know the cat doesn’t leak?

Literally, I have to keep all this stuff in. I can’t say a word to anybody about anything with confidence that it’s gonna stay where I tell ’em, other than Kathryn, of course. But I mean other than that I can’t tell anybody what I really think about things, what I’m really feeling about things. And of course I was raised not to share feelings anyway. That was part of being a man back when I was raised.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: The more I think about this, the more I think… I was on Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday back in the spring. I wish I had bounced out of this chair and stood up and run right to that camera and started screaming. “This is so outrageous! This whole thing. It did not happen! We are ruining lives over something that did not happen.”

I’m sorry; I’ll stop. I’ve been… If I go forward on this it’ll be four days in a row and you’ve heard it. Been there, done that. But it just frosts me. And then everybody falls in line. “Well, there’s an investigation. We must see the investigation through.” Why can’t you say the investigation’s unjustified? Why can’t we just say, “It’s bogus; this whole thing has been manufactured”? This is unreal, the way this is happening! Donald Trump Jr. with two 10-hour interviews over a 20-minute meeting, for example, and that’s not even the worst of it.

The worst of it is there isn’t any collusion, and they’re not even investigating that anymore. Now they’re trying to manufacture that Trump obstructed justice, and we’ve got obvious partisans doing everything they can to hide what they’re doing. They’ve been caught and now it’s, “Well, we can’t assume that just because they’re partisan, that they wouldn’t do a fair investigation.” The hell we can’t! Our intelligence requires us to admit that they are screwing with us, and they’re doing it on purpose, and they’re doing it (in their minds) with impunity.

Getting ham radio licenses so that they can talk to each other and not be overheard by anybody in an investigation? Talking political outcomes in the FBI deputy director’s office? What I’m talking about is this. There’s a Kimberley Strassel tweet… You know, here’s another thing. Why are we learning about these texts? You know, there’s a steady drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip leak of these text messages between Peter Strzok and his mistress, Page something or other. Something Page. Lisa Page.

How is this happening? I’ll tell you what I think. You know, there is a massive inspectors general investigation of the DOJ and the FBI going on. The inspector general is somebody, and every department has one. There’s one over at the Department of Agriculture. There’s one at every cabinet level bureaucracy. They’re everywhere. And structurally, ostensibly they’re there to investigate what these agencies are doing and keeping ’em on the up and up.

Well, the inspector general is investigating this investigation. It’s not a formal investigation like a new special counsel would be, but it is an examination of the procedures, and it’s been going on for quite a while. And it’s got to be — these texts have to be — the result of leaks from the inspector general’s office. Now, why would the IG be leaking this stuff that’s damaging to these investigators? Why would the IG…? And I don’t know if it’s a Trump appointee or if it’s a holdover Obama.

It’s if it’s a holdover Obama, I really don’t believe this is happening. But why would an inspector general be leaking this stuff? There’s a reason these people leak. Every leaker has his own reason for doing so. We know that the leakers in the deep state were trying to undermine Trump. But why are we reading, why are we learning what Peter Strzok was saying back and forth to his mistress? And why are we learning what they were talking about in Andrew McCabe’s office?

Well, there is a theory out there that holds that the inspector general has a dynamite report coming that’s gonna blow this whole thing to smithereens, and these leaks are a way of setting us up — the American people up — for what is coming. So that when it does report, it’s not a series of, “My God, I didn’t know that,” that it’s gonna confirm what these little leaks have informed us week after week after week. Now, I can’t say that I’m familiar with inspectors general and how they operate and all that, so I can only share with you that particular theory.

But since I’m so unaccustomed to leaks benefiting us, I’m so unaccustomed to inspectors general working for us, that, I’m sorry, I’m just automatically suspicious. I’m not characterizing this in any way. I just… These leaks are not making these people look good in any way or stretch the imagination. They are illustrating how this investigation is corrupted. Here Kimberley Strassel’s latest tweet. “This April text from Page to Strzok raises a whole new host of question for FBI.”

Here’s the text. This is, again, from Lisa Page to Strzok: “So, look, you say we text on that phone when we talk about Hillary because it can’t be traced…?” So she’s telling him, she’s actually asking him, “You’re saying we should use that phone because it can’t be traced while we’re talking about Hillary?” Why would it matter if they’re being overheard if all they’re doing is conducting an investigation? But they’re talking politics here. They’re talking strategy. They’re talking ways to undermine Trump here after the election, and they don’t want anybody to know it.

And this is what the IG is leaking. Now the question Kimberley Strassel asks is: “How many people at FBI did that?” How many other people were using “that phone,” quote, unquote, when they were talking about Hillary so that it could have been traced? I’m sorry, folks, but I’m having the damnedest time believing that all of these partisans were fair investigators as we’re being told to treat them. I’m just… I’m having the toughest time. Their texts back and forth to each other clearly indicate their bias and their hatred of Donald Trump.

Imagine these people on election night. We just had a caller about the rage and anger on Twitter and how it’s poisoning our society, and it is. I want you to imagine, these people — Peter Strzok, Andrew McCabe (whose wife was running for the Senate in Virginia and got money from Terry McAuliffe, a full-fledged Democrat). Strzok and this babe hate Trump. Now, I want you to imagine these people all during the campaign and on election night thinking Hillary’s gonna win.

They all thought Hillary was gonna win. There was no thought that there would ever be one of these investigations because there would never need to be. They weren’t thinking Russian collusion. They weren’t talking about Russian collusion because they weren’t gonna taint Hillary’s win, so there wasn’t any Russian collusion. Hillary had been exonerated by Comey back on July 5th. They had taken care of that.

They had said she’s not gonna be prosecuted because they couldn’t find where she intended to break the law even though the statute does not require that. So they clearly stacked the deck for Hillary. She had trafficked in classified data and documents on her illegal server, and she was exonerated. Her interview was not even… She wasn’t even under oath, and Comey’s exoneration of her happened even before she was interviewed. She was interviewed as a formality.

So imagine these people all during the campaign. They’re seething. They hate Trump. They hate Trump because he’s a barbarian, he’s a pig, whatever these leftists conjure up in their own poisoned minds. The degree of hatred they have for Trump knows no bounds, and they want Trump punished for even getting this far. The fact that he won the Republican primary? They want to destroy Trump. They want to make sure nobody ever tries this again.

But with them and Trump, it’s personal. They literally hate him. But that’s mitigated by their confidence that Hillary’s gonna win. So election night. And they are upended. And they’re bamboozled. And they’re blown out of the water. They are in shock, literal shock. They are in literal clinical depression. They are in a clinical state of disbelief. They cannot believe. They have stacked the deck for her. They did every dirty trick they could to poison the electorate’s mind on Trump. Hillary even won the popular vote.

They can’t comprehend this. They can’t absorb this. I’m talking about Strzok. I’m talking about Rosenstein. I’m talking about all of these people, Mueller, all of these people, they’re all the same. I’m talking about Lisa Page, McCabe, all of these people who had exonerated Hillary were preparing to celebrate the demise of Donald Trump. And he wins. And I think they lose their grip.

And so then they have to gin it all up again. They’ve got to get rid of Trump. And we’ve got the texts to prove they’re talking about it, even before the election. They’re worried that he might win. They’re confident he won’t, but they want an insurance policy. We’ve got a text between Strzok and Lisa Page where she lays out in McCabe’s office, the DOJ, the second command in the FBI, they’re in there talking about the presidential election. These people are now part of the investigation.

And Lisa Page says, “Look. I’ve looked at this every which way but Sunday. There’s no way the guy wins.” And Strzok says, “I don’t know. We need an insurance policy just in case.” And now we’ve got one! Their investigation. This gobbledygook, this utter turd of an investigation is the insurance company, and they’re implementing it, and they’re doing it. “So look, you say we text on that phone when we talk about Hillary because it can’t be traced –” How many other people were doing that?

The wife — another story — the wife of the Department of Justice deputy was a Fusion GPS employee, a CIA research aide, and applied for a ham radio license one month after contracting Christopher Steele to write the Trump dossier. Hillary and her campaign working with these people contracted that dossier, which is the turd that forms the turd of this investigation.


Department of Justice Associate Deputy Attorney General, Bruce Ohr, was demoted because he had working relationships with Steele and Fusion GPS. More importantly, or perhaps conveniently, according to James Rosen, Bruce Ohr did not reveal his October 2016 contacts with Steele or Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS to the leadership of the Department of Justice. The ongoing dossier story gets far more intriguing as it is now discovered that Bruce Ohr’s wife, Nellie, actually worked for Fusion GPS and helped guide the Russian dossier.

“Contacted by Fox News, investigators for the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) confirmed that Nellie H. Ohr, wife of the demoted official, Bruce G. Ohr, worked for the opposition research firm last year. The precise nature of Mrs. Ohr’s duties – including whether she worked on the dossier – remains unclear but a review of her published works available online reveals Mrs. Ohr has written extensively on Russia-related subjects. HPSCI staff confirmed to Fox News that she was paid by Fusion GPS through the summer and fall of 2016.”

But it doesn’t stop there. Mrs. Ohr was not only a Fusion GPS contract employee, but she was part of the CIA’s open source works in Washington. Both Mr. and Mrs. Ohr worked in a collaborative group project surrounding international organized crime. A month after Hillary hired Fusion GPS — this is in April of 2016. That’s when Hillary hired Fusion GPS — to subcontract the Trump dossier, Christopher Steele. She hired him. And if she did, these people all knew this was happening, because it’s clear the Obama Department of Justice, the FBI were working with the Clinton campaign on the dossier and to undermine the Trump campaign.

A month after Hillary hired Fusion GPS in April of 2016 to subcontract retired MI6 agent, Christopher Steele, to write the Trump dossier, Nellie Ohr applied for a ham radio license on May 23rd of 2016. A communication tool that would allow her and Christopher Steele, the author of the dossier, the ability to communicate outside the normal risk of communication intercepts.

“Keeping in mind, both Bruce and Nellie Ohr’s subject matter skill-set within the DOJ would provide them with a comprehensive understanding of how to network and communicate with international actors outside the traditional risk of communication intercepts. In short, Mrs. Nelli Ohr would know that using HAM radio frequencies would be a way to avoid the risk of U.S. intelligence intercepts on her communications.”

The Clinton campaign hired Fusion GPS in April of 2016 and contracted for the Trump dossier to be written. What are we talking about here? The Clinton campaign orders this thing, which then becomes the foundation, the basis for this turd investigation. This thing needs to be disbanded and disbanded yesterday. It’s a sham! And to this day there’s no evidence of collusion between Trump and Russia, and there won’t be because there isn’t. They’re still trying to manufacture that. They’ve given up on it. Now they’re trying to create process crime. Lying to investigators about irrelevant crap.

But we’re told by some that these people can compartmentalize. Yes they may be pro-Obama, yes they may be big Democrats, but they’re skilled career investigators and we shouldn’t have a problem with biased people. This is how we just dig our own grave, and we shovel ourselves in it in our reluctance or unwillingness to see what’s right in front of our face, and not just right in front of our face see it, it’s hitting us upside the head each and every day.

Another text. Peter Strzok to Lisa Page: “I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office –” McCabe “– that there’s no way he gets elected. I’m afraid we can’t take that risk.” “I’m afraid we can’t take that risk.” That’s when everything changed. That text is a show stopper. Strzok has to be placed under oath. After all, we’re talking about the possible interference with a presidential election and they say we can’t take the risk that Trump might win.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: Bob in Coronado, California. Glad you waited, sir. What’s happening?

CALLER: Hi, Rush. I’m maximally frustrated. It only relates to the last year I had to listen daily about the Russians and collusion. And now, as you mentioned briefly a few minutes ago, we’re starting to find out piece by piece that it appeared that the Hillary and the Democratic Party/DNC colluded with the Russians. It appears that they colluded with the FBI. And I don’t think it’s a big stretch — which, to me, is just frightening as can be — that the FBI may have colluded through Fusion GPS with the Russians.

RUSH: Exactly!

CALLER: It’s a disaster.

RUSH: What we’re learning because of these texts and what our common sense tells us, it is the FBI meddling in the election. It’s the FBI and the Department of Justice coordinating with the Clinton campaign. And that’s the meddling. And if you want to say they meddled with the dossier, well, the dossier has roots to Russians because Christopher Steele (who wrote the dossier) claims that Russians helped him source it. So the collusion here — in these texts that we’re learning from Strzok to Lisa Page — are indicating FBI meddling in the 2016 election!

How else do you interpret Strzok wishing for an “insurance policy” in case Trump wins?

And now these clowns are part of an investigation of collusion between Trump and Russia of which this isn’t any, no evidence whatsoever, and now they’re moving on to Trump obstructing justice by firing Comey and what have you. That’s what this is. The “insurance policy” is this newfangled turd of an investigation that we’re being made to sit through after a year of being told that Trump colluded with the Russians. People’s lives are being destroyed over this. People’s livings. The way people earn a living is being destroyed and trashed over all this because a bunch of liberals have their noses out of joint that Hillary lost, despite their help!

CALLER: And, Rush, I might add that besides the fact that Peter Strzok would be one horrible name to have in junior high school, I’m shocked that the swamp that votes 96% Dem in Washington, DC, and northern Virginia, that they will now will investigate themselves. And I think this investigation should come from somewhere else, maybe the North Dakota branch of the FBI.

But to allow the Washington, DC, FBI, when you see with their leadership, the fourth and fifth people, where they stand and who they’re married to, I mean, it can’t go on like this. This is a national emergency. I’ve never seen anything like it. It makes Watergate pale by comparison.

RUSH: Watergate, Mister Rogers’ Neighborhood, compared to this. But, you know, you hit on something. You say the South Dakota FBI, I’d take the Fargo branch, if there is one. There is on the TV show. But stop and think of this. Okay, so Trump is doing his job and he fires Comey and this and that and the other thing, all these phony — think of the Sessions recusal, which was totally unnecessary. So he talked to the Russian ambassador. Big whoop! Everybody did.

But only under the false premise, “Well, Trump colluded with the Russians, stole the election, so therefore anybody that talked with Russia might be involved in that.” What a hoax! But this is another thing that bothers me, just in general, not specific to this is the idea that in Washington, in the normal ebb and flow in the House and in the Senate we don’t have honest people who can conduct an integrity investigation. No, we need a special counsel. We always need somebody who’s not tied to anything, supposedly.

The members of the House and the various committees there, the members of the Senate, various committees there, they just apparently don’t have the integrity and the reputations to do these investigation. No, we’ve gotta go out and get a special counsel. And when we do that, what do they tell us? The special counsel is beyond reproach. The special counsel is a man of impeccable integrity and sophistication and refinement and is untainted by anything because the special counsel is not in Congress.

The special counsel may be a lawyer from a lobbying firm on K Street, or he may be from a white-shoe law firm in Manhattan or Boston. But whatever he is and wherever he comes from, he is the impeccable example of the best we’ve got. So that’s the premise under which all this crap happens. If I’m a member of Congress, if I’m a member of the House, member of the Senate, I gotta get ticked off when I’m said to be, by association, unqualified to do one of these investigations. We need a special counsel. We need an independent prosecutor.

Well, what do we have? We have an independent prosecutor with 16 lawyers that literally despise Donald Trump and were licking Hillary’s back all the way through the campaign loving her, depending on her. Where the hell is the integrity here? Where are the impeccable, unassailable credentials? Where is the sophistication?

Look at all the stuff that’s foisted upon us. And so it starts out with the belief that this special counsel is untainted and cannot be tainted, because this special counsel is indeed special. Why, this special counsel is not tied to any particular event being investigated, is not a particular partisan. Crap they tell us. There is not a nonpartisan in that town.

And now we find out, because of these texts, that it’s the FBI and not the Russians who have been meddling in the 2016 election before it happened and after it happened. And these texts cement this premise as concise and powerful as it can be. This headline: Explosive Texts Point To FBI, Not Russian, Meddling In 2016 Election.”

Investor’s Business Daily says, “For 18 months” — that’s a year and a half — “the FBI has been fixated on determining whether President Trump worked with Russia to influence the 2016 election. But explosive text exchanges between top FBI agents suggest it should be looking in the mirror.

“The text messages sent between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, which became public on Wednesday, provide a rare and illuminating window into just how rabidly partisan putatively nonpartisan law enforcement officials can be. In the exchanges, they called Trump an ‘idiot,’ a ‘loathsome human,’ an ‘enormous do-che,’ and said ‘this man cannot be president.’

“When not berating Trump, they were praising Hillary Clinton. In one text, Strzok said: ‘God Hillary should win 100,000,000-0.’ In another, he said that ‘a lot of people are holding their breath hoping’ about Clinton.”

We’re being played, my friends, like we haven’t been played in my life on this one. Watergate is chump change compared to what — none of this is based on what really happened. I don’t know how else to say it.

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RUSH: Grab sound bite number 18. I need some backup on this. We got it here from Trey Gowdy. This was last night on Fox News. He was asked: “The text message from Peter Strzok to Lisa Page about the meeting in Andrew McCabe’s office. It would help everyone to understand that at the time that he said that, he was investigating Hillary Clinton to decide whether they were going to pursue charges against her.”

GOWDY: Why three FBI agents are discussing politics in the deputy director’s office. Because you’re not supposed to discuss politics on federal ground and FBI agents aren’t supposed to engage in politics for Hatch Act reasons. The notion that three bureau agents would be conspiring or plotting on how to handle the outcome of a presidential election is the opposite of what you want in an objective, dispassionate, neutral FBI.

It is incredibly problematic. Remember, Jim Comey gets very sanctimonious when you talk to him about a politicized FBI. Very sanctimonious. Well, guess what, in his deputy director’s office they were discussing how to prevent one candidate from becoming president of the United States. It doesn’t get any more political than that.

RUSH: Exactly. But, I mean, that doesn’t even get close to what it really is and means.

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2017/12/14/trump-hating-mueller-investigators-communicated-by-ham-radio-to-evade-surveillance/

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RE: Limbaugh and company not interested in truth - 12/18/2017 8:31:11 AM   
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And the holder of the lowest class of HAM license, which has severe limits on what bands she can use and the max wattage output of her equipment.

Which means that in order to use HAM radio to communicate with the guy that put the dossier together against Trump she would have had to have absolute perfect conditions and damn good luck.


FCC Operator Class Descriptions.
https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/bureau-divisions/mobility-division/amateur-radio-service/operator-class#block-menu-block-4

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Most new amateur radio operators start at the Technician Class and then advance to the General Class or Amateur Extra Class. The VEs give examination credit for the license class currently held so that examinations required for that license class need not be repeated. The VEs prepare the written examinations from question pools that have been made public. Helpful study guides and training courses are widely available.

Technician
The privileges of a Technician Class operator license include operating an amateur station that may transmit on channels in any of 17 frequency bands above 50 MHz with up to 1,500 watts of power. To pass the Technician Class examination, at least 26 questions from a 35 question written examination must be answered correctly. Technician Class licensees also have privileges in four amateur service bands in the HF range (3-30 MHz) (Refer to Section 97.301(e)).

It's been a long time but if I remember correctly, the father of a friend of mine regularly talked to someone in the UK from Myrtle Beach, SC. at night with just a 100-watt transceiver.

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RE: jlf1961 and company not interested in truth - 12/18/2017 9:40:40 AM   
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Bosco, you are a fucking ass.

And Limbaugh is still a fucking jack ass.

Even with what you posted, you (and he) are still avoiding facing the reality of science.

So please, feel free to go fuck yourself.

Oh, there is one more thing that both of you idiots are not getting, except in cases of emergency, communication between stations are of limited duration, out of courtesy to other operators so as to not hog the frequency or band.

Unless of course you wish to believe some of the crap the movies and some older tv shows portrayed ham operators doing.


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Your argument seems to be based on geography.

Is it possible for either Ohr or Steele to have traveled so as to be on the same continent/within close proximity and still used the HAM for its "secrecy"?

I never had a HAM license, but I was very involved in the C.B. craze of 1976 and knew quite a few HAM operators. I also knew C.B.ers who employed 2,000 watt, bi-linear amplifiers who could talk to people over most of our country and eight foreign countries (mostly in central and South America, but at least one country in Europe) at night and when "skip" conditions were nominal to good.

No chance it's not about geography and maybe just about a will to avoid detection?







A few little, insignificant points here.

Using any kind of linear, bi or otherwise, on a cb then or now is against all FCC regulations dealing with CB radios.

2) Skip conditions, as I said depend on solar activity, and AM transmission is still limited to power.

3) For her license class, the only way to insure regular communication with Europe from the continental US is by CW (morse code) and that is no longer a license requirement.

RottenJohnny, with a 100 watt rig, the 'talking' was by morse, not voice.

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RE: jlf1961 and company not interested in truth - 12/18/2017 9:58:27 AM   
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A few little, insignificant points here.

Using any kind of linear, bi or otherwise, on a cb then or now is against all FCC regulations dealing with CB radios.


Yes? And? So is conspiring with other federal workers to disrupt a duly elected government.

Actually, I'm told uni-linear amplifiers (boosting in-coming signal only) are allowed, but in very small wattages.


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2) Skip conditions, as I said depend on solar activity, and AM transmission is still limited to power.


If these two conspirators were not separated by thousands of miles, I would ask again: So?

And? You're not willing to allow that Mr. Steele might have had an apartment in Virginia? Don't make me go hunt it down. It'll ruin my whole damned day.

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3) For her license class, the only way to insure regular communication with Europe from the continental US is by CW (morse code) and that is no longer a license requirement.


I was aware of the abilities of the "lowest class" of license. Inability to memorize Morse Code is what kept me from getting my license, back in '76 or '77.

I was not aware that knowledge of Morse Code is not a requirement anymore, but I'm not sure what that has to do with the veracity of the story that they might have used HAM radio for "secrecy" purposes?







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RE: jlf1961 and company not interested in truth - 12/18/2017 10:09:46 AM   
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RottenJohnny, with a 100 watt rig, the 'talking' was by morse, not voice.

Well, it was back in the 70's so my memory isn't perfect on that but he was definitely talking instead of using morse code. I just remember the radio sitting on his desk but I don't recall any other external amps or other equipment.

But I'm wondering, if you're using the best directional antenna possible and have atmospheric conditions on your side, how much power do you really need to talk to Europe? Because I'm pretty sure he didn't have a 100,000-watt transmitter around the house anywhere. Something that powerful would have been pretty big back then, wouldn't it?

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RE: jlf1961 and company not interested in truth - 12/18/2017 12:23:39 PM   
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RottenJohnny, with a 100 watt rig, the 'talking' was by morse, not voice.

Well, it was back in the 70's so my memory isn't perfect on that but he was definitely talking instead of using morse code. I just remember the radio sitting on his desk but I don't recall any other external amps or other equipment.

But I'm wondering, if you're using the best directional antenna possible and have atmospheric conditions on your side, how much power do you really need to talk to Europe? Because I'm pretty sure he didn't have a 100,000-watt transmitter around the house anywhere. Something that powerful would have been pretty big back then, wouldn't it?



Under good conditions, voice is possible with a rig as small as ten watts, but there is a caveat, atmospheric conditions move with the earth's rotation.

Then there are other things that will affect conditions, such as weather.

And since bosco is working on his complete ass merit badge, I wish to remind the his jackassness, that at around 8AM local time, 7 December, 1941, the US Army attempted to transmit a war warning to Pearl Harbor by radio, using one of the most powerful military radio stations available and using cw.

Due to atmospheric conditions over the Pacific, that was proven to be impossible.

Conditions have to be just right for two way voice over long distances, if you bosco and Rush knew anything about HAM operation, and how amateurs use the bands, i.e limited conversations etc, they would realize that what is being asserted is bullshit.

FYI, the article I posted is from a FOX affiliate, and by a HAM operator.

and look at the original tweet supporting the bullshit bosco, using ham to keep from being monitored?

Anyone with a shortwave receiver you can buy at radio shack can monitor the ham bands, and listen in on every fucking transmission.

So how in the fucking hell are they using a ham radio to keep from being monitored, unless of course you think that conservatives dont have ham licenses or there are bands that only anti trump people use or some other fucking bullshit.

Get a grip on reality you dumb fuck.

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RE: jlf1961 and company not interested in truth - 12/18/2017 12:59:34 PM   
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Get a grip on reality you dumb fuck.

Is this being directed at me or Bosco?

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RE: jlf1961 and company not interested in truth - 12/18/2017 1:26:32 PM   
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Bosco, you are a fucking ass.

And Limbaugh is still a fucking jack ass.

Even with what you posted, you (and he) are still avoiding facing the reality of science.

So please, feel free to go fuck yourself.

Oh, there is one more thing that both of you idiots are not getting, except in cases of emergency, communication between stations are of limited duration, out of courtesy to other operators so as to not hog the frequency or band.

Unless of course you wish to believe some of the crap the movies and some older tv shows portrayed ham operators doing.


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Your argument seems to be based on geography.

Is it possible for either Ohr or Steele to have traveled so as to be on the same continent/within close proximity and still used the HAM for its "secrecy"?

I never had a HAM license, but I was very involved in the C.B. craze of 1976 and knew quite a few HAM operators. I also knew C.B.ers who employed 2,000 watt, bi-linear amplifiers who could talk to people over most of our country and eight foreign countries (mostly in central and South America, but at least one country in Europe) at night and when "skip" conditions were nominal to good.

No chance it's not about geography and maybe just about a will to avoid detection?







A few little, insignificant points here.

Using any kind of linear, bi or otherwise, on a cb then or now is against all FCC regulations dealing with CB radios.

2) Skip conditions, as I said depend on solar activity, and AM transmission is still limited to power.

3) For her license class, the only way to insure regular communication with Europe from the continental US is by CW (morse code) and that is no longer a license requirement.

RottenJohnny, with a 100 watt rig, the 'talking' was by morse, not voice.

Ok, I have to go but we will set the record straight right here.

First, all of the men in my family were licensed Ham operators. When we were all licensed, conditions were:

Pass a test where out of 250 questions on radio theory, the FCC would ask 125 and one had to achieve 80%.

Power limitations are (then) 2000 watts PEP which is 'Peak Envelope Power.' We had a 2000 watt linear amp, which then is tuned for 1000 watts output...the limit for amateurs.

The lowest level in licensing was novice which was limited to CW (continuous wave) or Morse code. (2 meter phone/voice) Very few on the air.

Then Technician level which allowed CW on all permitted freq., phone/voice on 2 and 6 meters (broadcast wave length) 432 Mhz for TV and RTTY. (radio teletype) we had every mode of transmission including 2 & 6 meter sideband (phone) which is way to complicated for here and now.

(6 meters was by far the most popular even though very close to CBS broadcasting which we often picked up their programming)

Then General class at the time requiring more theory and 13 WPM Morse code transcription.

It is THIS class that would need to be obtained as for anyone to contact over seas with confident regularity because that lic. allowed you on 20 and 40 meters (easily, far and away, the most popular bands at the time) and the wave length that does cover about 1/2 the globe at almost all times with relative ease.

(having a lot of power, is not a prerequisite for long distance, having contacted a ham in Havana Cuba from Det., Mi. with a 250 watt Heathkit Seneca)

So, did this woman go out and get here General class ham license...NO !! Rush and co. are as usual...full of shit.

There is both skip and long distance in ham radio phenomenon. Skip as described is in fact what one could call local long distance.

Skip became the term because in Det, I could talk to Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska and the whole flat Midwest during what was called a 'band opening.' Sunspots and greater UV rays resulting in higher propagation of higher HF amateur radio long distance. This was almost exclusively caused by sun spots of greater than average intensity of UV which creates a greater density in the ionosphere and enables long distance ham radio.

The ionosphere consists of several layers, and the distance traveled by the radio signal in one hop depends on the height of the layer of the ionosphere that is involved.

A band opening was long distance as opposed to skip. Skip ran out of juice between Det. and Clev. if it got that far. (no way our subject woman used skip)

Long distance can be almost anything depending on atmospheric conditions, low level spurious radiations and say at least 50 watts.

Then there is this from Jeff: Anyone with a shortwave receiver you can buy at radio shack can monitor the ham bands, and listen in on every fucking transmission. (well, except the the 'Shack' is now history)

Touché.....

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RE: rightwing communists not interested in truth - 12/18/2017 1:34:57 PM   
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RE: jlf1961 and company not interested in truth - 12/18/2017 1:52:28 PM   
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i read the article, and it does not accurately portray what Limbaugh said, and therefore, neither did you.

the quote the author and you use references, or at least heavily implies Nellie ohr and steele, but its clear from the transcript, at least in so far as that quote goes, Limbaugh was referring to strzok, Robert ohr and his wife Nellie.

the journalist should be roundly criticized for malpractice and you deserve a whap upside the head not only for not going to an original source when its available, but for being an ass when the actual words are pointed out to you.

further, the point about "not being monitored" was in reference to the NSA (and other intelligence agencies), based on the supposition that the NSA doesn't monitor ham operations. your pointing out that indeed other people might be able to listen in is beside the point. the listeners aren't the NSA and they wouldn't know to whom they were listening.

lastly:

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Under good conditions, voice is possible with a rig as small as ten watts, but there is a caveat, atmospheric conditions move with the earth's rotation.


you admit its possible, so wtf??

i'll acquiesce to a point made about Limbaugh being speculative, however, that doesn't excuse the apoplexy over things that ultimately you got wrong.


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RE: jlf1961 and company not interested in truth - 12/18/2017 2:16:10 PM   
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further, the point about "not being monitored" was in reference to the NSA (and other intelligence agencies), based on the supposition that the NSA doesn't monitor ham operations. your pointing out that indeed other people might be able to listen in is beside the point. the listeners aren't the NSA and they wouldn't know to whom they were listening.



His point about "not being monitored" was why BOTH times I typed the word "secrecy", it was in quotation marks.

Of course the conspirators certainly could have developed some kind of cryptological code within Morse Code. It's not like that's never been done before





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RE: rightwing communists not interested in truth - 12/18/2017 3:13:48 PM   
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I am sorry, but I cannot believe the demented howling imbeciles of the right have any interest in facts, truth, justice, or what is good for America.

Well the obvious problem with the right and particularly since Reagan is that they have nothing else but accusations and inuendo etc. for their political rants and corresponding defense of same in their elected officials.

To wit:
Mueller was just fine when under Bush...only now is he corrupt.

Comey was fine until he didn't satisfy the right with a charge against Hills.

Now the CIA was fine and doing just a bang-up job helping to be the fall guy (source) for war-making intel, until now that some obscure woman was supposed to be a CIA field agent, working for GPS Fusion supposedly again...went after Trump associates.

You see, for the right, everything and everybody working in these positions and no matter what they did, are just fine, when...working for the right. (repubs)

It is only now that Mueller, Comey and Orh etc., etc, are corrupt because a 'D' was elected when they all become magically corrupt.

It doesn't matter whether or not Trump and his ilk could be guilty as sin. All that matters is they 'used' to work during the Obama admin. so now it's a coup ? What traitorous bullshit we get from the right now.

As I've written, one could cut the hypocrisy of the right...with a fucking dull knife.

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RE: jlf1961 and company not interested in truth - 12/18/2017 3:56:43 PM   
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i read the article, and it does not accurately portray what Limbaugh said, and therefore, neither did you.

the quote the author and you use references, or at least heavily implies Nellie ohr and steele, but its clear from the transcript, at least in so far as that quote goes, Limbaugh was referring to strzok, Robert ohr and his wife Nellie.

the journalist should be roundly criticized for malpractice and you deserve a whap upside the head not only for not going to an original source when its available, but for being an ass when the actual words are pointed out to you.

further, the point about "not being monitored" was in reference to the NSA (and other intelligence agencies), based on the supposition that the NSA doesn't monitor ham operations. your pointing out that indeed other people might be able to listen in is beside the point. the listeners aren't the NSA and they wouldn't know to whom they were listening.

lastly:

quote:

Under good conditions, voice is possible with a rig as small as ten watts, but there is a caveat, atmospheric conditions move with the earth's rotation.


you admit its possible, so wtf??

i'll acquiesce to a point made about Limbaugh being speculative, however, that doesn't excuse the apoplexy over things that ultimately you got wrong.





Yes, it is possible, but, again there are some serious caveats.

Lets start with the first one, antenna.

It has to be directional, so it will look something like this.
At least to put the odds in your favor, to begin with.

Now while a HAM operator is allowed to put up antennas, they also have to comply with things like home owner's association rules. So while the association cannot specifically forbid a HAM from putting up a low tower with a directional antenna, they can dictate the size of the antenna and height of the tower.

And when it comes to antennas, bigger is always better.

And during the 2016 height of solar activity, I had to work my ass off puling in signals from Europe, and I hold a tech license.

But lets look at a hypothetical possibility, shall we?

Suppose, for the sake of argument, that Nellie realized the limitations of her license in the realm of voice transmission.

So, she decides to avoid the risk of no contact and drops a bundle on equipment that would allow her to use her computer, laptop, tablet or notebook to translate typed messages to Morse and transmit that way.

Hey, she has the funds, right?

And if she really didnt want to learn morse herself, the programs will translate the incoming signal from code to typed text.

Great, we have solved the distance problem with low wattage equipment and Morse.

But there is still the unwritten HAM rule about long drawn out contacts.

You see, when the conditions are right for this kind of activity, there are a lot of hams trying to use the bands, so contacts, out of courtesy are kept to less than five minutes, thus giving another operator the chance to make a contact.

And when someone hogs a band, for bs comm traffic, HAMS tend to complain...

And since most HAMs belong to local clubs, it tends to make meetings uncomfortable for the band hog.

And we wont even discuss packet radio transmission, since Nellie does not hold a license to allow that kind of operation.

Then there are these to consider, enjoy the read.

And you yourself said "strzok, Robert ohr and his wife Nellie."

Nellie is the HAM radio license holder, not her husband, not Strzok, Nellie.

So, where in is the 'fake news?'

Nellie worked for the firm that contracted the dossier.

And that is exactly where Rush went with his little theory.

Now as for the assumption that the NSA does not monitor amateur radio bands, geez you really need to do some study on just what the hell the NSA's area of responsibility actually is.

And we can thank Snowdon for confirming what HAMs already suspected.

And the reason hams suspected the continued existence of echelon, is simple there are still numbers stations broadcasting out there.

And as DS pointed out, codes for radio communication has been around for years, but it still requires a lot of 'talk' time to transmit elaborate messages, even in code.

Of course, let us not forget, Rush was one of the promoters of pizzagate, and we all know how that turned out. Remember the ultra conservative who went armed to the pizza place in question to 'save the children' being trafficked? How many years did he get?

Lets see, Rush blew it on his "the Irma hurricane is being blown up and will not be as bad as the leftests claim." bs
He is still hinting that sandy hook was faked.
He supported the truther crap
Was wrong about death panels in Obama care, although if he stuck to the truth, he would have been correct with the other obamacare bullshit claims.

The man is wrong more than he is right.



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RE: jlf1961 and company not interested in truth - 12/19/2017 4:31:56 AM   
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the funny thing there is, I knew youd go off rambling about things that essentially don't matter to your premise. I see this happen with you over and over.

the outrage in your post was about Nellie communicating with steele via ham, but the essence of the quote and most of the transcript was about the actors communicating with each other via ham, not with steele per se.

then it was about "monitoring" and that got explained away.

if anyone is more "wrong than right" here, its you.

and sorry, aside from this being meaningless...

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Lets see, Rush blew it on his "the Irma hurricane is being blown up and will not be as bad as the leftests claim." bs
He is still hinting that sandy hook was faked.
He supported the truther crap
Was wrong about death panels in Obama care, although if he stuck to the truth, he would have been correct with the other obamacare bullshit claims.


given your track record of not going to original sources, not reading carefully, and not supporting premises, and my understanding of each of those lines above, its not hard to say youre wrong on all accounts here, either on its face, your understanding or in your criticism.

you wonder why people think youre a liberal?

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RE: jlf1961 and company not interested in truth - 12/19/2017 5:18:35 AM   
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