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MrRodgers -> Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms American Property (12/21/2017 9:48:35 AM)
A new study of border takings under the 2006 Secure Fence Act finds that many owners get inadequate compensation, and that the condemnation process is flawed in other ways. Making America 'white' again, will cost money and piss off a lot of land owners. Yep, that Trump guy, he's just like me and you, out for the little guy helping all he can and cleaning out the swamp alright. Just 'give' the govt. your land...or else. You don't want to read these lowlights. Plus, we aren't up to the wall yet, we're still looking to replace fence from 2006. Headache on top of headache and the general incompetence. Homeland Security circumvented laws designed to help landowners receive fair compensation. The agency did not conduct formal appraisals of targeted parcels. Instead, it issued low-ball offers based on substandard estimates of property values. Larger, wealthier property owners who could afford lawyers negotiated deals that, on average, tripled the opening bids from Homeland Security. Smaller and poorer landholders took whatever the government offered — or wrung out small increases in settlements. The government conceded publicly that landowners without lawyers might wind up shortchanged, but did little to protect their interests. The Justice Department bungled hundreds of condemnation cases. The agency took property without knowing the identity of the actual owners. It condemned land without researching facts as basic as property lines. Landholders spent tens of thousands of dollars to defend themselves from the government's mistakes. The government had to redo settlements with landowners after it realized it had failed to account for the valuable water rights associated with the properties, an oversight that added months to the compensation process. On occasion, Homeland Security paid people for property they did not actually own. The agency did not attempt to recover the misdirected taxpayer funds, instead paying for land a second time once it determined the correct owners. Nearly a decade later, scores of landowners remain tangled in lawsuits. The government has already taken their land and built the border fence. But it has not resolved claims for its value. Happy now ? HERE

bounty44 -> RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms American Property (12/21/2017 10:06:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Making America 'white' again... wtf?? if you want people to take you seriously stop seeing "raaaaaaaaaaaaacism" everywhere. are you comrades even capable of learning?

DaddySatyr -> RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms American Property (12/21/2017 11:16:09 AM)
I have long been talking about how "eminent domain" does little more than "steal" peoples' property at the point of a gun because the REcompensation is almost never "fair". So, as far as a general discussion about "eminent domain": I'm on board. To try to narrow it down to this one single issue is intellectually dishonest. Throw in the "making America white again" crap and it's childish.

WhoreMods -> RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms American Property (12/21/2017 11:26:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr I have long been talking about how "eminent domain" does little more than "steal" peoples' property at the point of a gun because the REcompensation is almost never "fair". So, as far as a general discussion about "eminent domain": I'm on board. To try to narrow it down to this one single issue is intellectually dishonest. Throw in the "making America white again" crap and it's childish. So the fact that he wants to use eminent domain in order to seize private property to build a wall on it is perfectly acceptable and above board, then?

DaddySatyr -> RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms American Property (12/21/2017 11:39:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr I have long been talking about how "eminent domain" does little more than "steal" peoples' property at the point of a gun because the REcompensation is almost never "fair". So, as far as a general discussion about "eminent domain": I'm on board. To try to narrow it down to this one single issue is intellectually dishonest. Throw in the "making America white again" crap and it's childish. So the fact that he wants to use eminent domain in order to seize private property to build a wall on it is perfectly acceptable and above board, then? Can you even read? That is NOT what I said (but nice try).

WhoreMods -> RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms American Property (12/21/2017 11:43:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr I have long been talking about how "eminent domain" does little more than "steal" peoples' property at the point of a gun because the REcompensation is almost never "fair". So, as far as a general discussion about "eminent domain": I'm on board. To try to narrow it down to this one single issue is intellectually dishonest. Throw in the "making America white again" crap and it's childish. So the fact that he wants to use eminent domain in order to seize private property to build a wall on it is perfectly acceptable and above board, then? Can you even read? That is NOT what I said (but nice try). What did you say, then? If it bears no resemblance to what you typed, that's a problem that you should probably look into.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms American Property (12/21/2017 11:46:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr I have long been talking about how "eminent domain" does little more than "steal" peoples' property at the point of a gun because the REcompensation is almost never "fair". So, as far as a general discussion about "eminent domain": I'm on board. To try to narrow it down to this one single issue is intellectually dishonest. Throw in the "making America white again" crap and it's childish. So the fact that he wants to use eminent domain in order to seize private property to build a wall on it is perfectly acceptable and above board, then? Can you even read? That is NOT what I said (but nice try). What did you say, then? If it bears no resemblance to what you typed, that's a problem that you should probably look into. I re-posted what I typed and I stand by it; eminent domain, in practice, is almost always "unfair". Reading Comprehension Level: Amateur. Strawman Building Level: Expert.

MrRodgers -> RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms American Property (12/21/2017 11:48:04 AM)
No, it's not but of course, Trump isn't the first but it's just now that his policies effect these land owners. Making America 'great' again which kinda ridiculous to begin with. Certainly America being great in the first place, is, has been and will always be great. Of course, as long as you are not one of her targets. With [his] entry restrictions, who Trump seeks to keep out, with this wall and who it seeks to keep out, all of the right wing howling about how 'these people have taken 'our' jobs...makes 'great' code word for Making America 'white again.'

jlf1961 -> RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms American Property (12/21/2017 12:11:01 PM)
Like I keep saying, forget building a fence or a wall... Bring all the troops we still have sitting in Iraq and Afghanistan and put them to patrolling the border with Mexico with orders to shoot first and not ask fucking questions, it will stop the illegal aliens from crossing the border (the fence sure the fuck didnt) and also all the illegal drugs from the Mexican drug cartels. Or take all the 'inhumane' land mines we have stuck in military warehouses and put em on the border. And no, I am not trying to be sarcastic, or funny. And while we are at it, lets stop the fucking push one for English. Let us eliminate any other fucking language choice when you call anywhere for anything. If they cant speak English, then they sure as fuck dont need any kind of assistance when calling anyone. That is one thing I agree with Trump on, put a fucking end to illegal aliens in this country. Deporting them dont work, they just come back across. Hell, take some of that publicly owned land in Nevada and turn it into illegal alien residential camps, and I am including in that idea the areas in the now unused nuclear weapon testing center.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms American Property (12/21/2017 12:18:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Bring all the troops we still have sitting in Iraq and Afghanistan and put them to patrolling the border with Mexico with orders to shoot first and not ask fucking questions, it will stop the illegal aliens from crossing the border (the fence sure the fuck didnt) and also all the illegal drugs from the Mexican drug cartels. Or take all the 'inhumane' land mines we have stuck in military warehouses and put em on the border. And no, I am not trying to be sarcastic, or funny. That's been my solution to illegal immigration for quite some time, now (HERE and HERE). So far it's gotten no traction.

thishereboi -> RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms American Property (12/21/2017 12:38:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Making America 'white' again... wtf?? if you want people to take you seriously stop seeing "raaaaaaaaaaaaacism" everywhere. are you comrades even capable of learning? When Obama got elected the left realized if they could get blacks out to vote, they would be able to win elections, and they have been painting the right as racists ever since. They don't seem to mind lying to achieve their ends and can't understand why everyone isn't with them on this. And if this last election where a pediphile almost beat a liberal doesn't prove people are sick of them, I don't know what will.

jlf1961 -> RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms American Property (12/21/2017 12:46:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Making America 'white' again... wtf?? if you want people to take you seriously stop seeing "raaaaaaaaaaaaacism" everywhere. are you comrades even capable of learning? When Obama got elected the left realized if they could get blacks out to vote, they would be able to win elections, and they have been painting the right as racists ever since. They don't seem to mind lying to achieve their ends and can't understand why everyone isn't with them on this. And if this last election where a pediphile almost beat a liberal doesn't prove people are sick of them, I don't know what will. Jeez, please do not state the obvious, I mean that is breaking the rules of this board. Now the 'obvious' police gonna hunt you down and spank your ass with a canoe paddle, run boi, run!

MasterDrakk -> RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms American Property (12/21/2017 1:39:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Bring all the troops we still have sitting in Iraq and Afghanistan and put them to patrolling the border with Mexico with orders to shoot first and not ask fucking questions, it will stop the illegal aliens from crossing the border (the fence sure the fuck didnt) and also all the illegal drugs from the Mexican drug cartels. Or take all the 'inhumane' land mines we have stuck in military warehouses and put em on the border. And no, I am not trying to be sarcastic, or funny. That's been my solution to illegal immigration for quite some time, now (HERE and HERE). So far it's gotten no traction. And it wont. Posse Comitatus.

BamaD -> RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms American Property (12/21/2017 1:49:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers A new study of border takings under the 2006 Secure Fence Act finds that many owners get inadequate compensation, and that the condemnation process is flawed in other ways. Making America 'white' again, will cost money and piss off a lot of land owners. Yep, that Trump guy, he's just like me and you, out for the little guy helping all he can and cleaning out the swamp alright. Just 'give' the govt. your land...or else. You don't want to read these lowlights. Plus, we aren't up to the wall yet, we're still looking to replace fence from 2006. Headache on top of headache and the general incompetence. Homeland Security circumvented laws designed to help landowners receive fair compensation. The agency did not conduct formal appraisals of targeted parcels. Instead, it issued low-ball offers based on substandard estimates of property values. Larger, wealthier property owners who could afford lawyers negotiated deals that, on average, tripled the opening bids from Homeland Security. Smaller and poorer landholders took whatever the government offered — or wrung out small increases in settlements. The government conceded publicly that landowners without lawyers might wind up shortchanged, but did little to protect their interests. The Justice Department bungled hundreds of condemnation cases. The agency took property without knowing the identity of the actual owners. It condemned land without researching facts as basic as property lines. Landholders spent tens of thousands of dollars to defend themselves from the government's mistakes. The government had to redo settlements with landowners after it realized it had failed to account for the valuable water rights associated with the properties, an oversight that added months to the compensation process. On occasion, Homeland Security paid people for property they did not actually own. The agency did not attempt to recover the misdirected taxpayer funds, instead paying for land a second time once it determined the correct owners. Nearly a decade later, scores of landowners remain tangled in lawsuits. The government has already taken their land and built the border fence. But it has not resolved claims for its value. Happy now ? HERE This whole rant is about things that took place under Obama.

WhoreMods -> RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms American Property (12/21/2017 3:06:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr I re-posted what I typed and I stand by it; eminent domain, in practice, is almost always "unfair". [/color] Why are you finding it less unfair under the current president than it would be under somebody else, then? The flapdoodle about "narrow[ing] it down to this one single issue" is a curious evasion if you feel that something that's almost always unfair is acceptable if the president doing it has an R after his name.

Masteryoungsir21 -> RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms American Property (12/21/2017 3:13:24 PM)
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bounty44 -> RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms American Property (12/21/2017 3:44:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi When Obama got elected the left realized if they could get blacks out to vote, they would be able to win elections, and they have been painting the right as racists ever since. They don't seem to mind lying to achieve their ends and can't understand why everyone isn't with them on this... I don't doubt that's partially true, but I also believe its a pathological condition of the left. every issue that doesn't go their way that involves a "person of color" really is a matter of raaaaaaaaacism. [image]http://admin.americanthinker.com/images/bucket/2017-09/201082_5_.png[/image]

DesideriScuri -> RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms American Property (12/21/2017 3:49:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Bring all the troops we still have sitting in Iraq and Afghanistan and put them to patrolling the border with Mexico with orders to shoot first and not ask fucking questions, it will stop the illegal aliens from crossing the border (the fence sure the fuck didnt) and also all the illegal drugs from the Mexican drug cartels. Or take all the 'inhumane' land mines we have stuck in military warehouses and put em on the border. And no, I am not trying to be sarcastic, or funny. That's been my solution to illegal immigration for quite some time, now (HERE and HERE). So far it's gotten no traction. I think the Border Patrol would be a fantastic place to start reorienting newly retiring military personnel. Use it sorta like a stepping stone from military life to civilian life. Maybe require 6 months of USBP service to retiring military personnel, and after that they can stay or go on to full civilian life. I think that would both boost our USBP rolls and put some heavily trained people where their training might be helpful. And, if it helps make the transition from military to civilian life smoother, I think that would be fantastic. That transition can be really tough for some.

MrRodgers -> RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms American Property (12/21/2017 4:04:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers A new study of border takings under the 2006 Secure Fence Act finds that many owners get inadequate compensation, and that the condemnation process is flawed in other ways. Making America 'white' again, will cost money and piss off a lot of land owners. Yep, that Trump guy, he's just like me and you, out for the little guy helping all he can and cleaning out the swamp alright. Just 'give' the govt. your land...or else. You don't want to read these lowlights. Plus, we aren't up to the wall yet, we're still looking to replace fence from 2006. Headache on top of headache and the general incompetence. Homeland Security circumvented laws designed to help landowners receive fair compensation. The agency did not conduct formal appraisals of targeted parcels. Instead, it issued low-ball offers based on substandard estimates of property values. Larger, wealthier property owners who could afford lawyers negotiated deals that, on average, tripled the opening bids from Homeland Security. Smaller and poorer landholders took whatever the government offered — or wrung out small increases in settlements. The government conceded publicly that landowners without lawyers might wind up shortchanged, but did little to protect their interests. The Justice Department bungled hundreds of condemnation cases. The agency took property without knowing the identity of the actual owners. It condemned land without researching facts as basic as property lines. Landholders spent tens of thousands of dollars to defend themselves from the government's mistakes. The government had to redo settlements with landowners after it realized it had failed to account for the valuable water rights associated with the properties, an oversight that added months to the compensation process. On occasion, Homeland Security paid people for property they did not actually own. The agency did not attempt to recover the misdirected taxpayer funds, instead paying for land a second time once it determined the correct owners. Nearly a decade later, scores of landowners remain tangled in lawsuits. The government has already taken their land and built the border fence. But it has not resolved claims for its value. Happy now ? HERE This whole rant is about things that took place under Obama. The whole idea was to illustrate how this started in 2006 under Bush and the R's then. Did you read the link ? The study was 12/17. Now it's Trump's turn, needs more land in the end, will take more time than 2 terms even if he gets another and all...with questionable results. A just-published study conducted by ProPublica and the Texas Tribune analyzed over 400 condemnations undertaken as a result of the Secure Fence Act of 2006, which authorized the construction of a much smaller barrier than Trump's proposed wall. Here is their summary of their findings:

MrRodgers -> RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms American Property (12/21/2017 4:11:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi When Obama got elected the left realized if they could get blacks out to vote, they would be able to win elections, and they have been painting the right as racists ever since. They don't seem to mind lying to achieve their ends and can't understand why everyone isn't with them on this... I don't doubt that's partially true, but I also believe its a pathological condition of the left. every issue that doesn't go their way that involves a "person of color" really is a matter of raaaaaaaaacism. [image]http://admin.americanthinker.com/images/bucket/2017-09/201082_5_.png[/image] The dems have been pandering to and the repubs have been denigrating black voters, since the 60's with Nixon's 'Southern strategy.' Obama got everybody center left and was born of the seeds planted by Nixon. It worked in national elections and converted the south from Bo weevil Dixicrats to the 'Silent' (white repub) majority.

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