Milesnmiles
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You said indentical, not close but identical and I'm just going by what you said. no, youre being a persnickety ass. Trying to insult me does not change what you said. quote:
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Whatever; the point is, if you know the truth you don't need to study the lie. well that flew right over your head. when something is built on assumptions as opposed to things that can be shown to be true, differing conclusions are not matters of "lying" they are a matter of faith in the foundational assumptions. that this has to be explained to you says something about your understanding of the issue. Once again trying to insult me does not does not make your point. Actually it is your lack of understanding of basic science and your wanting to believe someones misunderstanding of what the Bible actually says that is the issue. quote:
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I've argued for creation and know the limitations of dating methods and those limitations do not run to the billions of years. this statement tells me you actually don't know the assumptions as well as you should---let alone the criticisms associated with them, and evidence that runs to the contrary. you know, the "challenge" I tossed out for you. what im saying is, if you knew the assumptions and criticisms as well as you should, you couldn't, with intellectual integrity, say what you just said. It is interesting that you seem to want to hide behind double talk words like "assumptions, criticisms and evidence" but don't seem to want to provide what these things might entail. quote:
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Now, If we were talking about how long life has been on Earth that would be different but just talking about the age of the Earth itself there is no way to show the Earth is only 6000 years old. Then you'll have to argue effectively against the biblical scholars whose understanding of the language in genesis runs contrary to yours as well as the scientists who argue likewise. I've been doing so for longer than you've been alive and have yet to have a problem in doing so. quote:
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And what question might that be? wtf?? this one: quote:
I have studied the issue extensively but one does not need to study Ptolemy extensively to know that the earth goes around the Sun and not the other way around and likewise, once you know that the Earth is millions of years old what would be the point of studying the works of people who believe it is only 6000 years old in any real depth? that tells me that you really have not done this: "you don't "know" the earth is millions of years old. dating methods are built on assumptions that may or may not be true. and unless you can not only articulate all those assumptions, and more importantly, deal effectively with all the criticisms of those assumptions AND have faithfully examined the evidence to the contrary, then your "faith" in what you believe is a shallow and incomplete one." apparently you want to dismiss people who hold to a different view as "unscholarly" and "disreputable" when they have built their careers on studying this exact issue...and then you have the temerity to reduce their work to "a lie?" I see a question mark but please, when you make a statement and just put a question mark at the end of it it is a little hard to understand it to even be a question. quote:
ORIGINAL: bounty44 Likewise, feel free to continue to believe what you want, but short of rising to the essential challenge stated above, please don't pretend as if its the truth. You seem to want to pretend what you believe is the truth, even though it flies in the face of simple basic science and yet want to deny my wanting to believe in what I believe the Bible to says and that agrees with simple basic science. quote:
ORIGINAL: bounty44 funny---parroting back what I said to you when you've actually not issued a challenge, and by virtue of my challenge to you ive implied ive already met the demands of the challenge, and ive not actually articulated my own position, speaks again to a lack of scholarship. You want a challenge? Show me how all the simple basic science is wrong when it says the Earth is about 4 billion years old. The dating might be off be millions of years but it is not off by billions of years. quote:
ORIGINAL: bounty44 self justification is mankind's single greatest talent and youre up to your neck in it here. Once again insults, honestly what do you hope to accomplish with them?
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