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Marini -> RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! (12/26/2017 10:34:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

To ad to that. If someone is a nurse making $60,000 a year and cant afford to live where she is working, she can take her trade to another city or state where housing costs are lower.


This article was a bit misleading, in that it was a nursing asst. living in her car, not a nurse.
If you read the other articles, there is a well documented article about a professor with a PHD who is living in her car, and there is another article about teachers that are homeless.

Even if it was NOT a nurse sleeping in her care, it was a nursing asst.
That is a very hard and demanding job, and not many people want to work as a nursing asst.
Many nursing assistants work in nursing homes, taking care of seniors.

This woman seems to take pride in her work, and she works hard taking care of the sick, disabled and elderly, she lives in America, one of the greatest countries on this planet, she pays taxes, and she sure as hell, deserves better.




bounty44 -> RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! (12/27/2017 2:15:20 AM)

and that nursing assistant is making ~28k per year, a studio apartment would be available to her at ~10k, which is completely affordable.

I showed a link from trulia that was advertising just such places.

so really, wtf?

and again, if teachers are "homeless" its because they are choosing to be. salaries for teachers, at least public school teachers, make housing affordable.





Lucylastic -> RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! (12/27/2017 2:24:40 AM)


If you can find an apartment, she can and so can everyone else that is homeless, simples.

No worries, its easy and its all down to their bad choices.

A typical cuntservative solution.

Follow bounty......he can cure homelessness.

Dumb dumb dum da





DaddySatyr -> RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! (12/27/2017 2:43:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

A typical cuntservative solution.

Follow bounty......he can cure homelessness.




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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic 25 NOV 2017 4:58:11 PM


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


When the answers to a debate argument are:

"You're fat"

"Your clothes suck"

"You're stupid"

"You're a racist"

"Your skin is orange"

The person making such ground-breaking statements has already conceded.





oh thats very true, so very very true



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bounty44 -> RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! (12/27/2017 4:01:19 AM)

lucy you know something, I was just thinking something concerning your pal mnottertroll thats very fitting for you also.

you are so malevolent, you cannot even see your own amazing stupidity and inability to think.

would you like me to explain, or do you think you can figure it out?




Lucylastic -> RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! (12/27/2017 5:23:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

A typical cuntservative solution.

Follow bounty......he can cure homelessness.




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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic 25 NOV 2017 4:58:11 PM


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


When the answers to a debate argument are:

"You're fat"

"Your clothes suck"

"You're stupid"

"You're a racist"

"Your skin is orange"

The person making such ground-breaking statements has already conceded.





oh thats very true, so very very true



Welcome back! I hope you had a Merry Christmas and a Happy Boxing Day!






it was superb....thankyou.




Lucylastic -> RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! (12/27/2017 5:26:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

lucy you know something, I was just thinking something concerning your pal mnottertroll thats very fitting for you also.

you are so malevolent, you cannot even see your own amazing stupidity and inability to think.

would you like me to explain, or do you think you can figure it out?

you dont have the ability to explain. You dont understand it, how could you possibly explain it? Your ignorance is being pointed out.

sorry, not sorry.
malevolent? you dont know the meaning of the word.
Get a protective layer over that butthurt sugar shorts.






MrRodgers -> RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! (12/27/2017 12:07:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I'm not worried about any of this. Nothing has changed since this country was founded. We are free. Free to move. Free to get more education. Free to move for a better job. Free to move to a more affordable place to live.


More accurately, free to be poor and for their entire lives. The great and glorious marketplace is under no obligation to be 'affordable' to all of society. The 'marketplace' is free too...free to kick you out of it being way too expensive.

So if it just so happens that those places don't exist insofar as jobs/affordability do not be surprised. America has been there before. All you have to do, is go back in history.

7 families in a 5 room rowhouse. (I have direct knowledge)

You all here are not too young are you, to remember ? The US has been here before. Some would argue, that would not have changed were it not for the WWII GI Bill that guaranteed a portion of $8-$10,000 mortgages. Why ?

Get ready...it's coming back and the hairmaster ain't changing that and in fact, just like he and his father, did plan on profiting from it.

Oh wait sorry, Trump Sr. and Jr. made their first million$ OFF GOVT. housing. What was I thinking ?

I would love for these rent-seeking profiteers here and anywhere really, please tell me where I can go to get a job and be guaranteed a roof over my head. There is no such place and there is no such guarantee.

Again, if you can't pay the piper...fuck you, out into the street you lazy socialist/communist.




vincentML -> RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! (12/28/2017 2:25:17 PM)

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Are there too many government regulations preventing entry into the supply side of the Market (and I have absolutely no idea if there are or aren't)? If there are, is it greed, corporations, or any of the things you mentioned, or is it government that's in the way (aka, "the problem")?


I suspect not as many as there are which prevent public labor from moving freely across state lines.

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Prices for real estate/rents won't come down until those looking to sell or rent out can't find customers in the Market at current prices.


true, if you considered only the "needs" side of shelter, BUT there is a huge speculative side that overwhelms need.

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If no one is renting an apartment because the cost is too high, it's the owners choice to lower the cost of rent. I can almost guarantee you that an apartment rented out at half-price is making more money than an apartment that is vacant.


Not if you consider the derivative and assumed values of future sales in the casino.





DesideriScuri -> RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! (12/28/2017 3:25:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
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Are there too many government regulations preventing entry into the supply side of the Market (and I have absolutely no idea if there are or aren't)? If there are, is it greed, corporations, or any of the things you mentioned, or is it government that's in the way (aka, "the problem")?

I suspect not as many as there are which prevent public labor from moving freely across state lines.
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Prices for real estate/rents won't come down until those looking to sell or rent out can't find customers in the Market at current prices.

true, if you considered only the "needs" side of shelter, BUT there is a huge speculative side that overwhelms need.


Speculators make no money if the real estate isn't sold or rented.

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If no one is renting an apartment because the cost is too high, it's the owners choice to lower the cost of rent. I can almost guarantee you that an apartment rented out at half-price is making more money than an apartment that is vacant.

Not if you consider the derivative and assumed values of future sales in the casino.


A vacant apartment brings in more than a rented apartment (even at half cost)?




tj444 -> RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! (12/28/2017 4:20:39 PM)

This doesnt surprise me in the least.. and btw, it was predicted years ago, as during the Great Recession, small & medium builders became bankrupt and only the big better financed players/builders were left.. so of course the supply dwindled cuz so few houses were being built over the last 10 years.. and now, well, what builder is stupid enough to build an affordable house when they can build a McMansion & profit so much more? in that respect, it is about capitalism, the builders are going to make hay while the sun is shining..

And remember, during the recession, the govt sold (at rock bottom prices) off huge blocks of foreclosed houses in bulk to private equity funds, hedge funds, etc... and not to homebuyers looking for affordable housing (not that many homebuyers at that time could pry a mortgage out of a bank without selling their first born, etc..)




bounty44 -> RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! (12/28/2017 4:40:01 PM)

except for, as I keep pointing out, housing is affordable to the people they headlined for the article.




Marini -> RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! (12/28/2017 7:28:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

except for, as I keep pointing out, housing is affordable to the people they headlined for the article.


There is plenty of affordable housing, people are turning down ALL of the available affording housing, and choosing to sleep in tents and cars.
[sm=abducted.gif]


Today.com- The working homeless

NJ105.com- As rents RISE, more working homeless in NJ

Ann Curry Documentary- Working and Homeless/ 11 minute documentary

Market Watch- SMALL rent increases in THESE cities are increasing homelessness


Curbed.com- Why the rent is so damn high/affordable housing CRISIS

Almost everyone knows and realizes there is an affordable housing CRISIS in many area's in this country, if you don't care to "believe it", that does not change reality.




bounty44 -> RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! (12/29/2017 2:22:52 AM)

%*(@#&^)(#@& talking with you liberals is maddening.

I didn't say for one instance that "affordable housing" isn't or might not be a problem in places around the country.

go back and look at what ive written. see if it doesn't look exactly like this summary below.

I posted salaries of the people the article is claiming to represent.

I posted actual rents and availabilities in the particular area in question.

the rents and salaries are commensurate with each other.

so if teachers, chefs and nurses are "homeless" then something else is going on.

and whats more---sharing single bedroom places or going in with others on multiple bedroom places makes things affordable. if people don't have the sense or chutzpah to do that, then yeah, they are "choosing" to be homeless.

now---if you can overcome the overwhelming sense of a bleeding heart, and since you are the arbiter of reality, please explain the phenomena above?

tell me how the nursing assistant making 28k cannot afford a studio apt for 800 a month?

tell me how teachers making at least 50k cannot afford a single apt for ~1500.

tell me how two people working $10/hour jobs cant afford to share a single apartment?




tj444 -> RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! (12/29/2017 10:20:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

%*(@#&^)(#@& talking with you liberals is maddening.

I didn't say for one instance that "affordable housing" isn't or might not be a problem in places around the country.

go back and look at what ive written. see if it doesn't look exactly like this summary below.

I posted salaries of the people the article is claiming to represent.

I posted actual rents and availabilities in the particular area in question.

the rents and salaries are commensurate with each other.

so if teachers, chefs and nurses are "homeless" then something else is going on.

and whats more---sharing single bedroom places or going in with others on multiple bedroom places makes things affordable. if people don't have the sense or chutzpah to do that, then yeah, they are "choosing" to be homeless.

now---if you can overcome the overwhelming sense of a bleeding heart, and since you are the arbiter of reality, please explain the phenomena above?

tell me how the nursing assistant making 28k cannot afford a studio apt for 800 a month?

tell me how teachers making at least 50k cannot afford a single apt for ~1500.

tell me how two people working $10/hour jobs cant afford to share a single apartment?


You seem to forget that some of those people probably still have huge student loans to pay (so they could get those gynormous wages), perhaps medical bills, or previous debts from losing their home during the Great Recession, plus their vehicle cost, insurance, gas, loan payments, and food, medical & prescription costs, costs for their kids (food, clothing, school, medical, etc), etc and the costs you quote for rent usually require paying more for the electric, gas, internet, cable tv etc even if shared with others.. it all adds up and who knows what kinda dump those rents are or what kind of people you will be sharing with and how honest and clean they are or arent.... and any landlord will likely want to do a credit check and if someone is having a hard time they may not meet the landlords requirements on that either, not to mention that if they are working 8 hours a day, by the time they get off work the new rentals could already be gone.. and landlords likely have dozens of people to choose from...

You also seem to have forgotten the others mentioned in the article..
"About 35 per cent of those in the program are seniors and about 30 per cent are disabled. The majority are living out of their small cars with only 25 per cent sleeping in RVs. "
"Luisa Ramirez is preparing the bed to sleep in a vehicle in a church parking lot. She hurt her back working at the 99 cent store"
"Ericson ended up homeless after a series of medical set backs. She suffered a number of seizures that forced her to quit her job and was eventually diagnosed with a brain tumor. She overcame the illness while caring for her dying mother and is now working two different jobs to make ends meet. Up until three months ago, Ericson was living in apartments for $1,000-1,600 a month but became homeless when she fell behind in rent."


But yeah, I hear what you are saying.. some of these homeless people could prostitute themselves and go for one of those "free room for girlfriend/fwb" ads some nice giving dudes put up who are willing to share their bed with someone less fortunate...

btw, I am not a liberal.. but I do at least have compassion and understanding for those who have become homeless.. many who have hit bad times due to no fault of their own (like brain tumors, disabled, being hurt at work, getting old and living longer than their money lasts)...




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! (12/29/2017 10:43:27 AM)

There are many reasons that people can become homeless.

One reason people can't afford housing, even with earned income is garnishments:

Someone who has their income garnished to pay student loans, for instance.
They may make $24k on paper, but if half that income is garnished; they can't afford to pay rent AND eat or afford utilities or even car insurance or gas to get to work.

A parent who has his/her income taken out to pay child support.

The list of reasons go on.

Somewhere between the expectations of conservatives and liberals - on a spectrum of realities - is a humanitarian point of view, where an individual has to consider what is right and kind. Each to their own conscience.





bounty44 -> RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! (12/29/2017 11:00:55 AM)

tj---im not "forgetting" them--im simply not addressing them. they are beyond the scope of my criticism of the article headline which was about teachers, nurses, chefs, etc.

and yeah---in all seriousness---people do advertise for roommates for strictly financial reasons. what prevented any of the people who ended up "homeless" from doing that?

whats to prevent them now, as ive said, from banding together and sharing places.

every place ive ever interacted with has been willing to work with me in regards to flexibility. I had student loans...a few times I was granted some time off from repaying them. I was jobless for a while, my landlord let rent slide until I was employed. im landlord, ive given slack, and the same with my friends who are. I lived in a very small studio apartment for the first two years of grad school, paying ~600 dollars a month, which amounted to about 50% of my income at the time until I was able to find a caretaker position where I worked in exchange for rent. there have been a number of times where ive had to look to family to help me pick up slack--that's what family does. I took a friend in for awhile when he didn't have a place to stay. ive stayed with a friend for awhile. if a job and living situation wasn't acceptable in any particular spot, I exercised the freedom I have (that most people have) to go elsewhere. I have power of attorney for someone in order to handle money and pay bills and debts---if too much comes at once, they always let me pay over an extended time. for one particular debt, I was able to settle for less than what was due by the good graces of the lender. in one instance, the hospital charity kicked in and paid off a good portion of it.

senior citizen wise, and people with disabilities---overwhelmingly they are provided for by social security and ssdi. they don't really "run out of money." a fair number of tenants in my locale get help from either the county or the state.

that doesn't mean for a moment I don't believe there are some unfortunate, and even terrible circumstances occurring, but whatever it is, theres far too much of the story missing for me to criticize "unbridled capitalism" as a culprit here and to unquestioningly accept we have a crisis of "affordable housing."

again---overwhelmingly the "safety net" we have is, or at least should be, family, friends, charity, each other, and the freedom we have to better our circumstances.




bounty44 -> RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! (12/29/2017 11:13:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
Somewhere between the expectations of conservatives and liberals - on a spectrum of realities - is a humanitarian point of view, where an individual has to consider what is right and kind. Each to their own conscience.


I don't think the idea of "between" is a right assessment winsome. the implication the middle ground is somehow "humanitarian" whereas the "sides" are not I think is not a true one.

whats "right and kind" is a function of our worldviews when it comes to people and both conservatives and liberals can look at the problem of homelessness, still have those attributes, and go about handling the issue in very different ways.

I don't know what a "between" would look like.

and I say that especially with an emphasis from the conservative side, who I well know can be extremely charitable and understanding, while at the same time having high expectation of personal enterprise. im not sure the reverse could be said for the liberals.







DesideriScuri -> RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! (12/29/2017 11:41:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
Somewhere between the expectations of conservatives and liberals - on a spectrum of realities - is a humanitarian point of view, where an individual has to consider what is right and kind. Each to their own conscience.


Who gets to define what is "right and kind?" You? Me?

Is "tough love" more or less 'right and kind' than continuing to enable someone to slack off and slide by?




vincentML -> RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! (12/29/2017 12:09:35 PM)

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every place ive ever interacted with has been willing to work with me in regards to flexibility. I had student loans...a few times I was granted some time off from repaying them


It is a question of scale, Bounty. It is not a legitimate comparison to go from one case to millions.




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