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senior citizen wise, and people with disabilities---overwhelmingly they are provided for by social security and ssdi. they don't really "run out of money." a fair number of tenants in my locale get help from either the county or the state.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
Somewhere between the expectations of conservatives and liberals - on a spectrum of realities - is a humanitarian point of view, where an individual has to consider what is right and kind. Each to their own conscience.

Who gets to define what is "right and kind?" You? Me?

Is "tough love" more or less 'right and kind' than continuing to enable someone to slack off and slide by?

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

%*(@#&^)(#@& talking with you liberals is maddening.

I didn't say for one instance that "affordable housing" isn't or might not be a problem in places around the country.

go back and look at what ive written. see if it doesn't look exactly like this summary below.

I posted salaries of the people the article is claiming to represent.

I posted actual rents and availabilities in the particular area in question.

the rents and salaries are commensurate with each other.

so if teachers, chefs and nurses are "homeless" then something else is going on.

and whats more---sharing single bedroom places or going in with others on multiple bedroom places makes things affordable. if people don't have the sense or chutzpah to do that, then yeah, they are "choosing" to be homeless.

now---if you can overcome the overwhelming sense of a bleeding heart, and since you are the arbiter of reality, please explain the phenomena above?

tell me how the nursing assistant making 28k cannot afford a studio apt for 800 a month?

tell me how teachers making at least 50k cannot afford a single apt for ~1500.

tell me how two people working $10/hour jobs cant afford to share a single apartment?

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

%*(@#&^)(#@& talking with you liberals is maddening.

I didn't say for one instance that "affordable housing" isn't or might not be a problem in places around the country.

go back and look at what ive written. see if it doesn't look exactly like this summary below.

I posted salaries of the people the article is claiming to represent.

I posted actual rents and availabilities in the particular area in question.

the rents and salaries are commensurate with each other.

so if teachers, chefs and nurses are "homeless" then something else is going on.

and whats more---sharing single bedroom places or going in with others on multiple bedroom places makes things affordable. if people don't have the sense or chutzpah to do that, then yeah, they are "choosing" to be homeless.

now---if you can overcome the overwhelming sense of a bleeding heart, and since you are the arbiter of reality, please explain the phenomena above?

tell me how the nursing assistant making 28k cannot afford a studio apt for 800 a month?

tell me how teachers making at least 50k cannot afford a single apt for ~1500.

tell me how two people working $10/hour jobs cant afford to share a single apartment?

You seem to forget that some of those people probably still have huge student loans to pay (so they could get those gynormous wages), perhaps medical bills, or previous debts from losing their home during the Great Recession, plus their vehicle cost, insurance, gas, loan payments, and food, medical & prescription costs, costs for their kids (food, clothing, school, medical, etc), etc and the costs you quote for rent usually require paying more for the electric, gas, internet, cable tv etc even if shared with others.. it all adds up and who knows what kinda dump those rents are or what kind of people you will be sharing with and how honest and clean they are or arent.... and any landlord will likely want to do a credit check and if someone is having a hard time they may not meet the landlords requirements on that either, not to mention that if they are working 8 hours a day, by the time they get off work the new rentals could already be gone.. and landlords likely have dozens of people to choose from...

You also seem to have forgotten the others mentioned in the article..
"About 35 per cent of those in the program are seniors and about 30 per cent are disabled. The majority are living out of their small cars with only 25 per cent sleeping in RVs. "
"Luisa Ramirez is preparing the bed to sleep in a vehicle in a church parking lot. She hurt her back working at the 99 cent store"
"Ericson ended up homeless after a series of medical set backs. She suffered a number of seizures that forced her to quit her job and was eventually diagnosed with a brain tumor. She overcame the illness while caring for her dying mother and is now working two different jobs to make ends meet. Up until three months ago, Ericson was living in apartments for $1,000-1,600 a month but became homeless when she fell behind in rent."

But yeah, I hear what you are saying.. some of these homeless people could prostitute themselves and go for one of those "free room for girlfriend/fwb" ads some nice giving dudes put up who are willing to share their bed with someone less fortunate...

btw, I am not a liberal.. but I do at least have compassion and understanding for those who have become homeless.. many who have hit bad times due to no fault of their own (like brain tumors, disabled, being hurt at work, getting old and living longer than their money lasts)...

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
When I said spectrum, I meant more of a sliding scale between uncharitable and unrealistic. The far side of either viewpoint, and the workable realities that exist on the spectrum/scale between them.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

%*(@#&^)(#@& talking with you liberals is maddening.

I didn't say for one instance that "affordable housing" isn't or might not be a problem in places around the country.

go back and look at what ive written. see if it doesn't look exactly like this summary below.

I posted salaries of the people the article is claiming to represent.

I posted actual rents and availabilities in the particular area in question.

the rents and salaries are commensurate with each other.

so if teachers, chefs and nurses are "homeless" then something else is going on.

and whats more---sharing single bedroom places or going in with others on multiple bedroom places makes things affordable. if people don't have the sense or chutzpah to do that, then yeah, they are "choosing" to be homeless.

now---if you can overcome the overwhelming sense of a bleeding heart, and since you are the arbiter of reality, please explain the phenomena above?

tell me how the nursing assistant making 28k cannot afford a studio apt for 800 a month?

tell me how teachers making at least 50k cannot afford a single apt for ~1500.

tell me how two people working $10/hour jobs cant afford to share a single apartment?

You seem to forget that some of those people probably still have huge student loans to pay (so they could get those gynormous wages), perhaps medical bills, or previous debts from losing their home during the Great Recession, plus their vehicle cost, insurance, gas, loan payments, and food, medical & prescription costs, costs for their kids (food, clothing, school, medical, etc), etc and the costs you quote for rent usually require paying more for the electric, gas, internet, cable tv etc even if shared with others.. it all adds up and who knows what kinda dump those rents are or what kind of people you will be sharing with and how honest and clean they are or arent.... and any landlord will likely want to do a credit check and if someone is having a hard time they may not meet the landlords requirements on that either, not to mention that if they are working 8 hours a day, by the time they get off work the new rentals could already be gone.. and landlords likely have dozens of people to choose from...

You also seem to have forgotten the others mentioned in the article..
"About 35 per cent of those in the program are seniors and about 30 per cent are disabled. The majority are living out of their small cars with only 25 per cent sleeping in RVs. "
"Luisa Ramirez is preparing the bed to sleep in a vehicle in a church parking lot. She hurt her back working at the 99 cent store"
"Ericson ended up homeless after a series of medical set backs. She suffered a number of seizures that forced her to quit her job and was eventually diagnosed with a brain tumor. She overcame the illness while caring for her dying mother and is now working two different jobs to make ends meet. Up until three months ago, Ericson was living in apartments for $1,000-1,600 a month but became homeless when she fell behind in rent."

But yeah, I hear what you are saying.. some of these homeless people could prostitute themselves and go for one of those "free room for girlfriend/fwb" ads some nice giving dudes put up who are willing to share their bed with someone less fortunate...

btw, I am not a liberal.. but I do at least have compassion and understanding for those who have become homeless.. many who have hit bad times due to no fault of their own (like brain tumors, disabled, being hurt at work, getting old and living longer than their money lasts)...

Isn't it interesting that none of the suggestions that he is proposing, include mandating or creating more affordable housing?

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Trying to discuss the problems and solutions with people like him is just a waste of time.. he thinks someone making $10/hr makes enough to share an apartment

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ORIGINAL: bounty44


oh and fuck you.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

its because I don't look to government to fix my problems. that's one of the hallmark differences between conservatives and liberals.

what "creates" more affordable housing are free market principles and overwhelmingly speaking, they work.

and you ignored the questions I asked, which are not only relevant to, but necessary for you to answer to be able to continue to claim that housing isn't affordable.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

its because I don't look to government to fix my problems. that's one of the hallmark differences between conservatives and liberals.

what "creates" more affordable housing are free market principles and overwhelmingly speaking, they work.

and you ignored the questions I asked, which are not only relevant to, but necessary for you to answer to be able to continue to claim that housing isn't affordable.

Why is it a moral failure to look to government for assistance? How are Conservatives superior in this case? Doesn't the government represent the safety of the people? Why else have a government? Financial power accumulates to those who already have it. Monopolies evolve, politicians go greedy bad. Understanding that those are realities also distinguishes conservatives from progressives. The background tone of your writing suggests a blame-the-poor judgment on their moral failure.

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ORIGINAL: Marini
It's OKAY for the government to help everyone in the world, to bail out banks, corporations, and subsidize the rich and wealthy!
It's NOT OKAY for the government to create more programs that will provide affordable housing!
Bail out banks and corporations, subsidize the rich GOOD!
Help the working poor, busting their asses, living in cars or homeless? BAD!

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse
I have volunteered preparing Thanksgiving day dinners in Milwaukee for the last 5 years. Guess what. Almost every person there serving and preparing the dinner is conservative. We talk about it every year.

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• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I have volunteered preparing Thanksgiving day dinners in Milwaukee for the last 5 years. Guess what. Almost every person there serving and preparing the dinner is conservative. We talk about it every year.

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Opening presentation from Keli’i Akina, Ph.D.

…there is a second approach that is frequently neglected or absent. And that is the revamping of the economy according to free-market principles in such a way that will benefit all people including the least advantaged in society.

Free-market principles are those which allow the market to work in the most natural way harnessing the forces of supply and demand with the least amount of government interference. The free market allows individuals and companies to exchange freely with each other in the environment of healthy competition, ultimately providing consumers with the greatest amount of choice. When free-markets operate well, government has a limited and accountable role, most significantly in the insuring of the rule of law, which protects individual property rights and insures that contracts are upheld.

Research shows that wherever in the world free-market principles are implemented, the economy flourishes and all segments of society, the wealthy and the poor, are better off in terms of economic and human rights. That is why Grassroot Institute monitors this research and has become a research collaborator and co-publisher of the Economic Freedom of North America report of the Fraser Institute, to be released again this Fall.

Economist Stephen Moore in his book Who’s the Fairest of Them All? surveys economies in states and nations across the world and has documented an important finding. In the economies that follow free-market principles, the needs of all people along the economic spectrum, for food, clothing, shelter, and healthcare, are met at the highest levels. All segments of society are better off in free-market economies…

[what follows are 10 solutions germane to the situation in Hawaii]

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
desi---its true what you said in response but when you consider anecdotal evidence over time, coupled with other peoples experiences likewise, and data that shows conservatives spend time volunteering while liberals really dont, its a good bet that whats being observed is a universal phenomenon.

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• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)