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ORIGINAL: kdsub

There are usually three main ways children become addicts. The first two are youth curiosity and peer pressure. The third is a desire to escape their reality. In all cases the first drugs most often used are alcohol and marijuana. For most this is just part of growing up and has no long term consequences. But for a significant minority this experimentation leads to abuse and addiction that will destroy their lives.

Yes my daughter started out on marijuana but with her addictive personality she quickly moved to more powerful drugs as she built immunity and needed more and more and more powerful drugs until that is all that mattered to her. Overdose after overdose...
She drained the families funds in one unsuccessful treatment after another... until she finally left telling us she would rather die then stop.

I am not saying marijuana is worse than alcohol in fact of all the mind altering drugs it is the least harmful. What I am saying is we already have enough drugs and the problems that come with them. I think adding another will only increase the suffering directly by some users but also in the injuring and killing of innocents due to overdose or abuse.

I must tell you I am really no better than those I have been raving against. Before my daughters addiction I too was for the legalization of marijuana. I did not understand the personal consequences until it was too late.

I know I may as well be talking to my dog as most here... I just pray that through their ignorance they do not suffer the pain myself and my family have gone through... Despite what you may think It can happen to you or someone you love.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

There are usually three main ways children become addicts. The first two are youth curiosity and peer pressure. The third is a desire to escape their reality. In all cases the first drugs most often used are alcohol and marijuana. For most this is just part of growing up and has no long term consequences. But for a significant minority this experimentation leads to abuse and addiction that will destroy their lives.

Yes my daughter started out on marijuana but with her addictive personality she quickly moved to more powerful drugs as she built immunity and needed more and more and more powerful drugs until that is all that mattered to her. Overdose after overdose...
She drained the families funds in one unsuccessful treatment after another... until she finally left telling us she would rather die then stop.

I am not saying marijuana is worse than alcohol in fact of all the mind altering drugs it is the least harmful. What I am saying is we already have enough drugs and the problems that come with them. I think adding another will only increase the suffering directly by some users but also in the injuring and killing of innocents due to overdose or abuse.

I must tell you I am really no better than those I have been raving against. Before my daughters addiction I too was for the legalization of marijuana. I did not understand the personal consequences until it was too late.

I know I may as well be talking to my dog as most here... I just pray that through their ignorance they do not suffer the pain myself and my family have gone through... Despite what you may think It can happen to you or someone you love.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Using pot for the high one gets, pales in comparison to the medical benefits and industrial uses...by a wide margin. One of points of the OP. As usual, the high flying capitalist wanted no part of that competition.

Same could be said of everyone who consumes even a few alcoholic drinks a week. I don't drink but a couple of Coronas a month. Nothing hard at all. And who are you to suggest...continually ?

Plus in my limited historical experience, pot does not 'numb' your mind and in particular, nowhere near what alcohol does. In many cases in fact, it stimulates the mind. Alcohol kills 1000's or more brain cells every time one drinks.

The propaganda that cannabinoids actually increase Parkinsons tremors...is just that, bullshit. It decreases them even almost eliminating them and in fact also has eliminated Epileptic seizers in many 1000's of patients.

A dab of cannabinoids in fact that they can take a Parkinsons patient with almost no ability to function back to almost normal in minutes, is breathtaking.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Using pot for the high one gets, pales in comparison to the medical benefits and industrial uses...by a wide margin. One of points of the OP. As usual, the high flying capitalist wanted no part of that competition.

Same could be said of everyone who consumes even a few alcoholic drinks a week. I don't drink but a couple of Coronas a month. Nothing hard at all. And who are you to suggest...continually ?

Plus in my limited historical experience, pot does not 'numb' your mind and in particular, nowhere near what alcohol does. In many cases in fact, it stimulates the mind. Alcohol kills 1000's or more brain cells every time one drinks.

The propaganda that cannabinoids actually increase Parkinsons tremors...is just that, bullshit. It decreases them even almost eliminating them and in fact also has eliminated Epileptic seizers in many 1000's of patients.

A dab of cannabinoids in fact that they can take a Parkinsons patient with almost no ability to function back to almost normal in minutes, is breathtaking.

I agree that your assertions are probably true. In fact, I will so stipulate, but I have an honest question:

In most of the medical use cases, is there any advantage to smoking weed (and therefore, invoking the "high") over taking THC in another form?

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

To be honest, I don't know enough to form an educated opinion.

I will tell you that from personal experience I'd like to think yet unbiased, the only time smoking was better than say a pill or oil, (concentrates) was in the speed and efficiency with which it took away migraines and back pain.

That's all I know but not only is research speeding up on concentrates effects, dosage etc. but also their wider use.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

To be honest, I don't know enough to form an educated opinion.

I will tell you that from personal experience I'd like to think yet unbiased, the only time smoking was better than say a pill or oil, (concentrates) was in the speed and efficiency with which it took away migraines and back pain.

That's all I know but not only is research speeding up on concentrates effects, dosage etc. but also their wider use.

That's kind of why I asked.

Everything I've read/been told by people in the know is that taking a THC pill is as good as (or better) than smoking weed.

I agree that there's probably not much physical addiction to smoking marijuana, but I believe that an addict can get hooked on just about anything that has some kind of "mind altering" affect.

Don't believe me? Try to take my Diet Wild Cherry Pepsi©™ away from me!

So, using the (less?) non-mind-altering form of THC would seem to be a simple solution to me.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


I'm sure there are some cases where smoking is more advantageous and, where regards medical uses (legitimate ones), I am 150% for the prescription of ANY form of THC that is considered appropriate by a physician.

I've never used any form of THC, medicinally. I'm using the L-Dopa, which works fine. I've been offered weed and refused it (on principle, based upon family history).

I'm not making a case against medical use. I'm just trying to wrap my head around the actual parameters. In the vein of: doctors, prescribing non-narcotic pain killers, as opposed to handing out morphine like candy. like they did in the 70s.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
I’ll tell you asshole who I am... I’m the father of a brain dead daughter so fuck you. Pot is a gateway drug as is any drug including alcohol... what we have now is bad enough we don’t need another path to abuse... simply for your pleasure. I am talking about the so called recreational use of pot not the medical benefits.
Butch

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
Using pot for the high one gets, pales in comparison to the medical benefits and industrial uses...by a wide margin. One of points of the OP. As usual, the high flying capitalist wanted no part of that competition.
Same could be said of everyone who consumes even a few alcoholic drinks a week. I don't drink but a couple of Coronas a month. Nothing hard at all. And who are you to suggest...continually ?
Plus in my limited historical experience, pot does not 'numb' your mind and in particular, nowhere near what alcohol does. In many cases in fact, it stimulates the mind. Alcohol kills 1000's or more brain cells every time one drinks.
The propaganda that cannabinoids actually increase Parkinsons tremors...is just that, bullshit. It decreases them even almost eliminating them and in fact also has eliminated Epileptic seizers in many 1000's of patients.
A dab of cannabinoids in fact that they can take a Parkinsons patient with almost no ability to function back to almost normal in minutes, is breathtaking.

I agree that your assertions are probably true. In fact, I will so stipulate, but I have an honest question:
In most of the medical use cases, is there any advantage to smoking weed (and therefore, invoking the "high") over taking THC in another form?

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
I’ll tell you asshole who I am... I’m the father of a brain dead daughter so fuck you. Pot is a gateway drug as is any drug including alcohol... what we have now is bad enough we don’t need another path to abuse... simply for your pleasure. I am talking about the so called recreational use of pot not the medical benefits.
Butch

I take no pleasure in it. I thought i made that abundantly clear.

I'm sorry about your daughter, but whatever her story doesn't prove that all pot smokers will have the same results nor does it give you standing to decide what someone else can put into his/her body.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
I’ll tell you asshole who I am... I’m the father of a brain dead daughter so fuck you. Pot is a gateway drug as is any drug including alcohol... what we have now is bad enough we don’t need another path to abuse... simply for your pleasure. I am talking about the so called recreational use of pot not the medical benefits.
Butch

I take no pleasure in it. I thought i made that abundantly clear.
I'm sorry about your daughter, but whatever her story doesn't prove that all pot smokers will have the same results nor does it give you standing to decide what someone else can put into his/her body.

Particularly as this gateway drug thing is only an issue as it's impossible to get hold of dope for recreational purposes without buying it from somebody who also has nastier stuff to push. That wouldn't be a danger if you could just buy a bag of skunk over the counter in a tobacconists, would it?

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
I’ll tell you asshole who I am... I’m the father of a brain dead daughter so fuck you. Pot is a gateway drug as is any drug including alcohol... what we have now is bad enough we don’t need another path to abuse... simply for your pleasure. I am talking about the so called recreational use of pot not the medical benefits.
Butch

I take no pleasure in it. I thought i made that abundantly clear.
I'm sorry about your daughter, but whatever her story doesn't prove that all pot smokers will have the same results nor does it give you standing to decide what someone else can put into his/her body.

Particularly as this gateway drug thing is only an issue as it's impossible to get hold of dope for recreational purposes without buying it from somebody who also has nastier stuff to push. That wouldn't be a danger if you could just buy a bag of skunk over the counter in a tobacconists, would it?

Or, grow it yourself.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
That's frowned upon as well, but it would definitely be an option if you didn't have the constabulary confiscating the contents of your greenhouse should you have something that catches their eye growing there, true enough.

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nor does it give you standing to decide what someone else can put into his/her body.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

... You do not have the legal right to decide alone what you can put into your body... just keep that in mind. ...

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

That’s right you do not have the legal right to put anything you want in your body. It is just a rule of law and a fact of life. But the laws can and will be changed to accommodate the wishes of the people and in the case of pot the people want it legalized.

Butch