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Not Sure If This Is A "Thing", But ... - 1/1/2018 10:04:38 PM

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I didn't want to put this over in the NCAA thread because ... well ... it's probably more suited to here:

I was watching the Sugar Bowl (of course, Roll, Tide!!!) and I noticed something (I think).

When Nick Saban ran across the field, at the end of the game, he had a three-to-four-man security team. State Troopers in uniform.

Obviously, I'm a 'Bama fan and I've seen this before, but I always just assumed that the troopers were provided as part of "stadium security", in the different places where 'Bama plays.

I was shocked to see these troopers were Abalama State Troopers.

Since Abalama is on the short list of retirement destinations, I was wondering if the troopers were paid by Abalama tax payers?

If they are, that doesn't seem right to me.

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RE: Not Sure If This Is A "Thing", But ... - 1/1/2018 10:14:56 PM

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I didn't want to put this over in the NCAA thread because ... well ... it's probably more suited to here:

I was watching the Sugar Bowl (of course, Roll, Tide!!!) and I noticed something (I think).

When Nick Saban ran across the field, at the end of the game, he had a three-to-four-man security team. State Troopers in uniform.

Obviously, I'm a 'Bama fan and I've seen this before, but I always just assumed that the troopers were provided as part of "stadium security", in the different places where 'Bama plays.

I was shocked to see these troopers were Abalama State Troopers.

Since Abalama is on the short list of retirement destinations, I was wondering if the troopers were paid by Abalama tax payers?

If they are, that doesn't seem right to me.

The Alabama taxpayers are most likely paying the tab on this one. It was probably stuck on some state spending bill by U of A alumni in the state houses.

OR, there is always an 'OR' Saban demanded it in his contract in which case the univ. is picking this one up.

I know, that means taxpayers are still chipping in, even if only a little.

Perspective

Item: Smith Mountain Lake, Va. congressional district. A little more than $2 million spent...for total of little more than 2,000 votes. $1,000 per vote is a small fortune to probably every single voter.

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RE: Not Sure If This Is A "Thing", But ... - 1/1/2018 10:21:05 PM

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The Alabama taxpayers are most likely paying the tab on this one. It was probably stuck on some state spending bill by U of A alumni in the state houses.

OR, there is always an 'OR' Saban demanded it in his contract in which case the univ. is picking this one up.

I know, that means taxpayers are still chipping in, even if only a little.

Well, Saban, having security isn't an issue for me. He's had credible death threats, according to reports. NCAA fans can get a little ... over-zealous.

So whether he should or shouldn't have it. I don't care. I think he probably should.

It's a matter of: should the NCAA provide it? I realize that would still entail some tax payer monies, but there are some private schools in the NCAA (I'm almost sure).

The sticker being: If the NCAA provided it, they could draw from "local" law enforcement and cut down on travel, hotel, food costs.

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RE: Not Sure If This Is A "Thing", But ... - 1/1/2018 10:41:56 PM

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The Alabama taxpayers are most likely paying the tab on this one. It was probably stuck on some state spending bill by U of A alumni in the state houses.

OR, there is always an 'OR' Saban demanded it in his contract in which case the univ. is picking this one up.

I know, that means taxpayers are still chipping in, even if only a little.

Well, Saban, having security isn't an issue for me. He's had credible death threats, according to reports. NCAA fans can get a little ... over-zealous.

So whether he should or shouldn't have it. I don't care. I think he probably should.

It's a matter of: should the NCAA provide it? I realize that would still entail some tax payer monies, but there are some private schools in the NCAA (I'm almost sure).

The sticker being: If the NCAA provided it, they could draw from "local" law enforcement and cut down on travel, hotel, food costs.

Found a link and as they say...'it ain't pretty.' How' about $517,000+ paid by the TPD. Tuscaloosa Police Dept. (2015)

Never mind U of A is the NCAA's 4th highest revenue sports enterprise and brings or generates a total revenue of $1.7 billion yearly.

HERE

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RE: Not Sure If This Is A "Thing", But ... - 1/1/2018 10:46:57 PM

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Found a link and as they say...'it ain't pretty.' How' about $517,000+ paid by the TPD. Tuscaloosa Police Dept. (2015)

Never mind U of A is the NCAA's 4th highest revenue sports enterprise and brings or generates a total revenue of $1.7 billion yearly.

HERE

Well, that's even more disturbing.

Forget everything to this point. let's just focus on:

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Found a link and as they say...'it ain't pretty.' How' about $517,000+ paid by the TPD. Tuscaloosa Police Dept. (2015) ...

It seems to me, the fact that TPD is involved, at all, when clearly these were STATE troopers, means that there's an "extra level" of bureaucracy which, I'm sure, adds to the cost.

ETA: Link didn't work for me

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RE: Not Sure If This Is A "Thing", But ... - 1/2/2018 12:54:25 AM

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Found a link and as they say...'it ain't pretty.' How' about $517,000+ paid by the TPD. Tuscaloosa Police Dept. (2015)

Never mind U of A is the NCAA's 4th highest revenue sports enterprise and brings or generates a total revenue of $1.7 billion yearly.

HERE

Well, that's even more disturbing.

Forget everything to this point. let's just focus on:

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Found a link and as they say...'it ain't pretty.' How' about $517,000+ paid by the TPD. Tuscaloosa Police Dept. (2015) ...

It seems to me, the fact that TPD is involved, at all, when clearly these were STATE troopers, means that there's an "extra level" of bureaucracy which, I'm sure, adds to the cost.

ETA: Link didn't work for me

Try this one. HERE

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RE: Not Sure If This Is A "Thing", But ... - 1/2/2018 3:31:04 AM

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I found the topic on a cop forum, so that's interesting:

https://forum.officer.com/forum/public-forums/general-law-enforcement-topics/56749-troopers-protecting-football-coaches

and one of the early posts included this link to an espn story about it.

http://www.espn.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=2631660&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos1

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RE: Not Sure If This Is A "Thing", But ... - 1/2/2018 5:41:20 AM

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I understand the need for security, but it seems to me that local PD's should be able to handle it. Huge waste of money in my mind.

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RE: Not Sure If This Is A "Thing", But ... - 1/2/2018 5:54:11 AM

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Most games you watch, security is supplied by the state police of whichever state the college is from.
I agree it should be left to the locals.

I'm also sure that the troopers don't mind a bit.

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RE: Not Sure If This Is A "Thing", But ... - 1/2/2018 7:27:52 AM

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I understand the need for security, but it seems to me that local PD's should be able to handle it. Huge waste of money in my mind.

I'm willing to concede a STATE university should employ STATE workers. Why should N.Y.P.D. be saddled with costs and logistics of securing S.U.N.Y.?

However, not all STATE universities use troopers.

Rutgers has their own police force who, legally, are on parity with state troopers (assault a Rutgers cop, get prosecuted/sentenced as if you'd hit a state trooper, Rutgers police have state-wide jurisdiction, if they want to get involved in off-campus incidents, etc.)

I'm not talking about the state taking responsibility for stadium security or parking. That's understandable, but it was my understanding that Saban had credible death threats and that's why he (in particular; not the venue) had a security detail.

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RE: Not Sure If This Is A "Thing", But ... - 1/2/2018 8:32:52 AM

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I was shocked to see these troopers were Abalama State Troopers.

This has been ongoing for more than 20 yrs. and you just now noticed?

Anyway, I worked live shows for longer than that, and it is SOP to have some element of badged security at live events, aside from (or ahead of) the private security temp workers.

I don't know how it works for sports events, but for live shows, the promoter pays the city or county for the police, OR, hires them off duty. Or sometimes a combination.

All that to say I know diddly squat about Nick Saban's situation, or NCAA security at all.

"Off duty" and "in uniform" are neither mutually exclusive or legally prohibited.

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RE: Not Sure If This Is A "Thing", But ... - 1/2/2018 8:55:51 AM

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I was shocked to see these troopers were Abalama State Troopers.

This has been ongoing for more than 20 yrs. and you just now noticed?

Yeah. Just now.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Obviously, I'm a 'Bama fan and I've seen this before, but I always just assumed that the troopers were provided as part of "stadium security", in the different places where 'Bama plays.

I was shocked to see these troopers were Abalama State Troopers.

Do you purposely not read so that you can fling invective or are you educationally impaired in some way?

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All that to say I know diddly squat about Nick Saban's situation, or NCAA security at all.

"Off duty" and "in uniform" are neither mutually exclusive or legally prohibited.

Not the topic of my post at all, but go ahead and run with that since it's an argument of your own construction and should be easy for you to counter.

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RE: Not Sure If This Is A "Thing", But ... - 1/2/2018 2:33:51 PM

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I was shocked to see these troopers were Abalama State Troopers.

It would have been more clear it you'd said "Alabama troopers at a public event in Louisiana." Hint.

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"Off duty" and "in uniform" are neither mutually exclusive or legally prohibited.

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Not the topic of my post at all,

Then what was?

Anyway, here's some more 'invective' (aka "facts," "research," etc. to others):

http://www.espn.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=2631660

"Today, a head coach can't go anywhere on game day in the South without police backup. In Alabama alone, Sutton said, every football-playing college -- from Alabama to Alabama A&M -- has a contract with the state police to provide support."

"But the job consists of more than hanging out on the field and chop-blocking intruders. A big part of most troopers' duties is providing advance intelligence on road trips and arranging travel routes to and from stadia and airports."

"With Alabama playing at rival Tennessee on Saturday (this article written in 2006), Sutton and his detail will leave their post in Montgomery and drive their squad car to Knoxville on Thursday. They'll meet that day with the Tennessee university police to discuss traffic logistics for pregame practice and on game day, then take those officers out for dinner."

So yes, 'it's a thing' and has been for awhile.

If more than a penny of this were on the tax payers' dime (yeah, I know, catchphrases and aphorisms make for bad math), this would have blown up a long time ago.

I know from personal experience that while many US universities have a decent sized budget for the athletic department, if they add a football team where not existing before, it explodes.

The 'student activity fee' or other names it's called went from $418 to $680 the first year after adding a football team at my uni, ~ $868 the following year (I don't even want to look up what it is now). Not covered by FASFA or most scholarship awards. Suck it up, parents or working students.

The -athletic department/student activity fee- expense of those Georgia and Oklahoma state troopers who ordered BBQ and green beans at home now eating at establishments in LA for the Rose Bowl who then could only get "Roti de porc avec haricots vert" is not insubstantial.

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RE: Not Sure If This Is A "Thing", But ... - 1/2/2018 4:43:23 PM

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For the record, Bear Bryant got security in 1958.

It's a football tradition that, by most estimates, dates back nearly 50 years. And like many football things that sprang from the Deep South, most everyone is convinced it began with Bear Bryant.

Sutton is something of a historian on the subject. He believes the Bear first got his trooper escort in 1958 (Bryant's first year as head coach at Alabama) or '59.

Naturally, Sutton said, Auburn coach Ralph "Shug" Jordan got one shortly thereafter.

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RE: Not Sure If This Is A "Thing", But ... - 1/2/2018 5:50:36 PM

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Rutgers has their own police force who...

as either a student or staff/faculty Michael, ive been at about 9 different colleges/universities. all but the smallest had their own "campus security" that were actually fully functioning police officers. one was an SEC school (the epsn article makes the point of this being more of a southern phenomenon), its hard to believe that's not the case with pretty much all the D1 football programs and so yeah, its puzzling they wouldn't be using their own officers.

im also a graduate of a SUNY school, and while I can see a sort of "state" level designation to them and the workers are indeed employed by the state, if you think about it, all the faculty, staff, and students are also more or less living in the confines of any given SUNY school's host city.

it wouldn't be that far-fetched at least in my mind to have local cops provide security at home games (although see my point above) and I wouldn't start to feel weird about it until the cops starting traveling with the team.

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