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RE: And yet another area with Stave Bannon with which I... - 1/8/2018 12:07:26 PM

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Considering the lies that come out of trumps whitehouse on almost a daily basis
Im hardly surprised, people are denying it, lol they got caught.

So, Tony Blair "got caught"? Of course there's no doubt that if people talk shit about their boss (ANY boss) and that shit-talking becomes public (or, at least, makes it to their boss' ear), they're going to try to deny it (if they have no integrity).

But since Mr. Blair seems to be of good character, we'll put aside the well-displayed animosity for the U.S. exemplified by many Brits and Europeans, in general and conclude that Mr. Blair's denial is a genuine one (since President Trump isn't Blair's boss and all).

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Regarding Blair...
oh....do you remember this??
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/17/white-house-will-not-be-repeat-claims-gchq-spied-trump-

I wonder who the "leaker" was

I don't remember that link, but I do remember, when the claim was first made, we had a thread here about it and I postulated then (as I will do so again) that getting a close ally to do things that you can't legally do (American Intelligence agencies, spying on American citizens with no good cause, for example) is not exactly beyond the pale. Certainly, it seems possible in today's day. It's part of the problem with the proliferation of "spystate".

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RE: And yet another area with Stave Bannon with which I... - 1/8/2018 12:54:50 PM

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Blair?
of good character? According to who?
That is subjective.

From March last year...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/tony-blair-middle-east-peace-envoy-donald-trump-mail-on-sunday-invention-a7612046.html

Yes caught, not specifically Blair or Wintour, because without evidence, such as recording, video, etc, its going to be very subjective,basically "he said" she said:"

Considering the number of "allegations" made in the book that HAVENT been argued "fervently" against,
Im not backing ANY view as "fact" from the book or the "deniers". Just the fall out and responses.

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RE: And yet another area with Stave Bannon with which I... - 1/8/2018 1:12:00 PM

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Yes caught, not specifically Blair or Wintour, because without evidence, such as recording, video, etc, its going to be very subjective,basically "he said" she said:"

For anyone not conversant or fluent in spin, that would translate to:

"Wolff lied about Blair and Wintour, hoping he wouldn't get caught and my own bias is going to have picking picking and choosing when I will call Wolff dishionest or not."

In the real world, that kind of behavior throws (at least) his veracity into question, if not his integrity, also.

But, please do spin on!

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RE: And yet another area with Stave Bannon with which I... - 1/8/2018 1:21:27 PM

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oh speaking for me now are you???
telling me what I mean?
how rude.

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RE: And yet another area with Stave Bannon with which I... - 1/8/2018 1:22:37 PM

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oh speaking for me now are you???
telling me what I mean?
how rude.

Yes. It seemed like I was missing out on some fun.

Of course, I'm sure it's no match to changing peoples' quote boxes, but I'll leave that to the experts at deception.

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RE: And yet another area with Stave Bannon with which I... - 1/8/2018 1:36:22 PM

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Why do you insist on telling me(and others) what I think.
You miss a lot it seems

yaaaaaaawnnnnn now can you get back to the topic
Or are you going to continue to focus on "talking for me"?

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RE: And yet another area with Stave Bannon with which I... - 1/8/2018 2:30:13 PM

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Why do you insist on telling me(and others) what I think.
You miss a lot it seems

yaaaaaaawnnnnn now can you get back to the topic
Or are you going to continue to focus on "talking for me"?

I wan't focusing on it (I'm not the one who can't go to work until the other finishes posting for the night). I did it. You "called me out" on it and I told you why I did it. Issue? Well, not of my creation.

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RE: And yet another area with Stave Bannon with which I... - 1/8/2018 3:25:09 PM

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I swear, by all I hold holy, I am sick to death of doing peoples' research for them.

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Maggie Haberman, White House correspondent for the New York Times, ripped author Michael Wolff on Friday for "getting basic details wrong" about President Trump's campaign and administration in the newly published book "Fire and Fury."

"I believe parts of it and then there are other parts that are factually wrong," she said on CNN. "I can see several places in the book that are wrong. So for instance, he inaccurately describes a report in the New York Times. He inaccurately characterizes a couple of incidents that took place early on in the administration. He gets basic details wrong."

Haberman said Wolff's "style" is to create a broad narrative in a story, but gets many of the details wrong.

"He creates a narrative that is notionally true, conceptually true, the details are often wrong," she said.

Then, we have this:

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ORIGINAL: HABERMAN (ellipses represent interruptions by other panelists) : No, where he -- where he violates journalistic protocol is he has a history of telling people they're off the record.

... And not just with this book. This is going back to the Murdoch too and other books.

... And then -- and then disregarding that.

Whilst acknowledging how much the USA did during WW2 to help the UK against Nazi Germany, DS (which you've previously made clear I need to do whenever I criticise anything whatsoever about the USA), I nonetheless have to take issue with your view, here.

I am perfectly happy to accept that Wolff's book is replete with sensationalist stuff, albeit littered amongst it will be a lot of truths, too. But as far as I see it, Wolff is simply hoisting Trump by his own petard. Trump is a bullshitter - and now he's getting ripped up by another bullshitter. Cry me a river. As far as I'm concerned, I don't care, so long as Trump is damaged by it. This is because, of one thing about which I am very, very clear indeed (as is most of the world outside of the USA): he's completely unfit to hold the office of US President.

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RE: And yet another area with Stave Bannon with which I... - 1/8/2018 4:50:56 PM

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As far as I'm concerned, I don't care, so long as Trump is damaged by it. This is because, of one thing about which I am very, very clear indeed (as is most of the world outside of the USA): he's completely unfit to hold the office of US President.

Make sure you vote for Oprah in 2020, then.

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RE: And yet another area with Stave Bannon with which I... - 1/8/2018 5:50:12 PM

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Soooo....

Wolff bashing in full force! Fox News blitz 24/7.

Any answers to these questions?

So if Wolff is a liar, as you say...

1. Why is Sam Nunberg saying that he was quoted 100% correctly in the book? Is he a liar too?
2. Why is Steve Bannon apologizing and trying to spin the comments mentioned in the book? (That he supposed never made in the first place because Wolff is a liar?)
3. Why has no one in the Trump administration claimed that they have been misquoted?

So, since I know I will never get an answer to these questions... I will sum up the logic of Michael (who missed NOTHING), bounty44, and my good friend, BoscoX.

1. Wolff is a liar.

2. Wolff, himself has also said that he attributed quotes to people that he didn't have notes (or recordings) of, he just kind of stated his interpretation of what they said, later. Of course, he stated those opinions through his unique prism of partisan hackery and lack of attention to detail. - Yet, according to Sam Nunberg, he was quoted 100% correctly. - Wow, that is quite an interpretation through his unique prism of partisan hackery! Maybe he got lucky?

3. Steve Bannon apologized for his delayed reaction to his comments, and claimed that they were not about Don Jr, but rather about Paul Manafort instead (e.g. "Don Jr. will crack like an egg".). Bannon's apology and spinning are about comments that he never made, because Wolff is a liar. Because Bannon has a history of referring to comments that he made, but in reality, he never made???

4. While there have been a few people on the periphery, no one in the Trump administration has said they have been misquoted. (And that is because they like being misquoted as saying disparaging things about the President?)

ok... Now that I have completely destroyed the argument of

There are possibly some inaccuracies and maybe some misquotes (but maybe not) in the book --> Wolff is a liar --> The entire book is fiction

The whole point of my OP is Bannon said the meeting with Don Jr is Treasonous, and Don Jr. will crack like an egg when they follow the laundered money through Deutsche Bank.

Bannon obviously said those things, and I agree with them 100%.

Now back to your regularly scheduled Wolff bashing.

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RE: And yet another area with Stave Bannon with which I... - 1/8/2018 10:21:46 PM

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I'm not the one who can't go to work until the other finishes posting for the night.

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another lie
You do that a lot

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RE: And yet another area with Stave Bannon with which I... - 1/8/2018 11:43:08 PM

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I'm not the one who can't go to work until the other finishes posting for the night.

another lie
You do that a lot

Poor lucy. "Caught out", again. Who's lying about whom, lucy?

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pity yourself, it might do you some good.
Tis doubtful tho.
now if you have stopped primping for the evening, I have work to do.

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RE: And yet another area with Stave Bannon with which I... - 1/9/2018 1:27:49 AM

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It's interesting to note that none of the people who are so intent on attacking Wolf's credibility are prepared to answer the question I posed in post #84.

I wrote that most of the main claims in Wolf's book were nothing new and had been reported extensively in multiple independent media over the past year. This reporting amounts to independent corroboration of Wolf's text's main claims. We are all more than familiar with the firings, the factionalism, the chaotic nature of Trump's Administration, the back stabbings, the legislative failures, the very public sackings of important officials, the arrests and charges etc etc. It's all on the public record and indisputable. It adds up to a picture of massive dysfunction and chaos in the White House consistently reported over a long period of time.

This amounts to massive independent corroboration of many of the main claims in Wolf's book. Anyone who wishes to challenge Wolf's credibility needs to come up with a coherent and convincing explanation of why we should disregard the public record in this matter. This degree of independent corroboration also means that Wolf's personal credibility (however you may regard it) is not as critical an issue as it otherwise might be.

Looking forward to seeing some imaginative creative rationalisations ... or perhaps more silence, which will, in this instance, speak volumes ...
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RE: And yet another area with Stave Bannon with which I... - 1/9/2018 1:38:49 AM

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I'm not the one who can't go to work until the other finishes posting for the night.

another lie
You do that a lot

Poor lucy. "Caught out", again. Who's lying about whom, lucy?

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pity yourself, it might do you some good.
Tis doubtful tho.
now if you have stopped primping for the evening, I have work to do.

That is not "going to work" its having "work to do".
I work for myself, I dont have to "go to work".
I work on my computer. I am working right now.
What I do, includes a lot of time using large numbers of files, which takes up a lot of time saving moving, changing, uploading etc,
I use the internet for work and leisure, so I have several windows and tabs and graphics and publishing software programs open.
Its called multi tasking. Its what I do.
Ive mentioned that many times.
So no, Im not lying.
Its you speaking for me.
Now, I have work to do...
Im not going anywhere except changing tasks, okie dokie?

Can we get back to the topic?

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RE: And yet another area with Stave Bannon with which I... - 1/9/2018 6:34:16 AM

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"Blah, blah, blah."

You called Michael a liar. Michael blew up your spot. Who's the liar?

You can get back to whatever you like. I'm doing my Don't-let-liars-name-callers-and-various-bullshit-artists-get-away-with-their-usual-tactics©™ thing. It's a new time, these last few months.

... and I'm lovin' every minute of it.

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RE: And yet another area with Stave Bannon with which I... - 1/9/2018 7:58:05 AM

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Mr Rodgers is right. President Trump's not gone unless Republicans want him gone. Democrats have no power. 2018 that chould change but if Republicans fear Trump working with Democrats more. And would remove him to get Pence or Ryan in the white house to act as a back stop. If Democrats won one or both houses. That should scare Democrats more logically.

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RE: And yet another area with Stave Bannon with which I... - 1/9/2018 8:50:57 AM

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The republicans are not going to remove trump.

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RE: And yet another area with Stave Bannon with which I... - 1/9/2018 9:05:11 AM

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I wrote that most of the main claims in Wolf's book were nothing new and had been reported extensively in multiple independent media over the past year. This reporting amounts to independent corroboration of Wolf's text's main claims. We are all more than familiar with the firings, the factionalism, the chaotic nature of Trump's Administration, the back stabbings, the legislative failures, the very public sackings of important officials, the arrests and charges etc etc. It's all on the public record and indisputable. It adds up to a picture of massive dysfunction and chaos in the White House consistently reported over a long period of time.

This amounts to massive independent corroboration of many of the main claims in Wolf's book. Anyone who wishes to challenge Wolf's credibility needs to come up with a coherent and convincing explanation of why we should disregard the public record in this matter. This degree of independent corroboration also means that Wolf's personal credibility (however you may regard it) is not as critical an issue as it otherwise might be.

I didn't answer because I tend to gloss over your posts (and I think you know why. if you don't and really care to know, mail me on the other side and I'll explain).

I will grant a good portion of what you typed as truth, but you're missing something, also.

Michael Wolff (two "F"s) has a reputation for "making shit up". So, while everything you typed may be true, there's also a fair amount of things that aren't "already in the public record". I gave a couple of examples, earlier.

So, while some of what is in the book may be nothing more than supporting evidence of what we "already know", there's some things that are, according to a couple of people who've come forward, (Bannon, Blair, and Wintour, so far) just flat-out bullshit. The first condition doesn't negate the latter condition. In fact, the latter kind of taints the former.

I also saw an item on Yahell, today. The title was: "Cameron was not having a 'Bromance' with Obama". Apparently, that was a claim that was in the book, too. Cameron says some rather unflattering things about the former failure-in-chief in the article, but I only read the first couple of paragraphs.

No. I fucked that all up. Steve Hilton (who used to work for Cameron) asserted the headline claim while he was refuting Wolff's book. It was NOT a claim made in the book.

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RE: And yet another area with Stave Bannon with which I... - 1/9/2018 11:02:58 AM

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"Wolff lied about Blair and Wintour, hoping he wouldn't get caught and my own bias is going to have picking picking and choosing when I will call Wolff dishionest or not."

The late David Kelly would disagree.

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RE: And yet another area with Stave Bannon with which I... - 1/9/2018 11:04:26 AM

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The republicans are not going to remove trump.

So it would seem, which is a shame: the Democrats couldn't manage to do so if their lives depended upon it.
"Second amendment solution", anybody?

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