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RE: "Come Meet a Black Person" - 1/5/2018 10:26:11 AM   
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Technically, you aren't a racist if you got friends of other races.

That's the stupid idea I made my post to mock, Greta.

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RE: "Come Meet a Black Person" - 1/5/2018 10:29:20 AM   
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RE: "Come Meet a Black Person" - 1/5/2018 10:45:25 AM   
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Well, actually, if I didn't already have friends in one of the categories you mentioned, specifically before I moved to this area, I might not.

There isn't a very large Asian population here (18702), except for Indian folks and I daresay that if you don't go into some convenience stores, you will almost never see any.

My closest convenience store is such an establishment, but they are not open 24 hours so, I normally wind up at the bigger "chain" store (Turkey Hill) which is exactly .2 miles further away. Since I'm big on loyalty, they wind up getting the bulk of my business.

Turkey Hill has had a huge presence here since before the influx of Easterners, buying convenience stores/gas stations.


You know, I would have bought this from at least some people. I'm not challenging the fact that there are certain places in the country that are small towns that have very little cultural diversity, aka dang near everybody who lives there is white. I've lived in places like that.

The reason I won't buy it from you in particular? Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you serve in the military? If you did, this is not adding up for me. There weren't at least some of your military buddies that were categories other than white? What about your music, school, and all of the other stuff you've done?

Do you see why I'd have a tough time believing that you don't, or never did, have friends that didn't look like you?





Wow! I guess you missed the sentence which YOU bolded?

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Well, actually, if I didn't already have friends in one of the categories you mentioned, specifically before I moved to this area, I might not.


In other words: Yes, I have people with whom I socialize (I have VERY few friends, but three different ethnicities are represented in five people) that run the ethnic gamut, but had I lived my entire life here (like many here, have), I might not have run into certain kinds of people.

Surely, you didn't miss the sentence you, yourself bolded?





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RE: "Come Meet a Black Person" - 1/5/2018 10:45:35 AM   
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Technically, you aren't a racist if you got friends of other races.

That's actually not correct.

What people tend to do is separate friends and people they know away from the stereotypes they hold. It's not like people have that token black friend, so that's their free pass from any racism they might have.

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I mean, seriously people get accused of racism, EVEN when they marry someone of other races.

I see that kind of thing more when it's people being accused of being racist about their own race, rather than the race of the person they have married. That's a whole different topic.

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The whole "racism" word is super abused by lefties these days.

Seriously, anybody who is saying people on the left OR the right don't have their own angle of abuse on that word is probably looking at about half of the picture.

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But it will be interesting to see, "Know a LGBT", "Know a Muslim" Events.

So you picked two specific groups that in this country have been targeted by certain hate groups who would like nothing more to see them harmed? Even I can't come up with enough sarcasm for this. (That's a pretty high echelon, by the way.)

You do understand that there are still people in this country that get killed for no other reason than they are gay or trans? You can comprehend that, right?

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Like the idea of that is so alien here. Because it's like...., there are no barriers to talk to a minority. Also perhaps our surface area is so small. There are minorities everywhere. Perhaps even, they outnumber chinese, if ya include all the foreigners living here who are all minorities really.

There's really not a barrier about it here, either. It's kind of why I find the thing so ridiculous.

I've actually spent time in Lawrenceville, GA. A year or two before I joined this site, I was dating a submissive from there. None of the social events that we ever went to (and I can promise you that is NOT a kink-zero town) were ever all white.

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I was watching another program called 90 days fiance, but an older season. And it's funny like this white dude from Pennsylvania was marrying a black chick from South Africa. And his father lives in Texas is against inter-racial marriage. And the American dude explanation to his fiance was, "There are no black people in Texas", so his dad is just not used to it! But all his siblings and his mom, was so warm and welcoming to his fiance. Only the dad actually told his fiance that inter-racial marriage is not socially acceptable in America. And their kids will suffer. That's why he oppose it.

First, I'd probably tell you to stop believing everything you see on American reality tv. Then, I'd tell you that the Dad was an idiot for thinking there are no black people in Texas, interracial marriages in Texas, and he's got some very old-fashioned, outdated ideas about children of mixed ethnic heritage in Texas.

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I mean, it was just 2012 or something. And at their wedding in Pennsylvania, I see so many minorities of all kinds. Asian Indians, Chinese, Hispanic, Africans, like all races. Looks like the younger generation gotta have alot of minority friends, because his fiance is from south africa and those minorities aren't her friends.

OK. You realize that Pennsylvania is a pretty big state, right? Depending on where a person is in Pennsylvania, there are going to be varying demographics. There are still tiny towns that won't have as much diversity, but places with larger populations tend to be more multi-cultural. Major cities and college towns tend to be that way, which can be completely different than what's commonly known as Pennsylvania Amish (or Dutch) country, even though they aren't that far apart geographically.


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RE: "Come Meet a Black Person" - 1/5/2018 10:59:01 AM   
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I mean, it was just 2012 or something. And at their wedding in Pennsylvania, I see so many minorities of all kinds. Asian Indians, Chinese, Hispanic, Africans, like all races. Looks like the younger generation gotta have alot of minority friends, because his fiance is from south africa and those minorities aren't her friends.


OK. You realize that Pennsylvania is a pretty big state, right? Depending on where a person is in Pennsylvania, there are going to be varying demographics. There are still tiny towns that won't have as much diversity, but places with larger populations tend to be more multi-cultural. Major cities and college towns tend to be that way, which can be completely different than what's commonly known as Pennsylvania Amish (or Dutch) country, even though they aren't that far apart geographically.



Well, it doesn't even have to be Lancaster (Pennsyltucky Dutch Country). I gave the zip code, specifically because I knew someone was going to question my claim. So, I figured I'd help with research.

A quick search will show that this county (NorthEast Pennsyltucky, Luzerne County) is not very ethnically diverse, if we're talking about all the colors of the rainbow.

We're about 20 miles South of Scranton, which is a bit more diverse, but not so much as you'd think. Again that depends on definition of "diverse".

There may be (I haven't looked) 55% white, but I'd be willing to bet the Asian population (as an example) here is statistically negligible.

I did used to live a stone's throw from a "big" (if only in reputation) university (Kings) in Pennsyltucky and I did interact with some of the students, but I was thirty years older than most of them so there wasn't much chance for forming friendships, but I certainly enjoyed some minor level of interaction with many.





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RE: "Come Meet a Black Person" - 1/5/2018 11:02:26 AM   
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RE: "Come Meet a Black Person" - 1/5/2018 11:56:31 AM   
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Wow! I guess you missed the sentence which YOU bolded?

I'm thinking you totally missed the point.

You can't compare the town you are sitting in right now to a place like Lawrenceville, GA. You also can't compare yourself to most people who do live in mostly white-town, USA, who are born there, raised there, and never leave.

(By the way, for kicks, the population you gave of where you live right now is more than ten times the population of the town where I grew up. When I tell people I'm a backwoods hick from a place nobody's ever heard of, it's sincere.)

We're talking about a suburb of one of the top cities in the country with a population of almost a half a million people. It wouldn't exactly be a challenge to meet a person with a different skin color.







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RE: "Come Meet a Black Person" - 1/5/2018 12:05:44 PM   
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Wow! I guess you missed the sentence which YOU bolded?

I'm thinking you totally missed the point.

You can't compare the town you are sitting in right now to a place like Lawrenceville, GA. You also can't compare yourself to most people who do live in mostly white-town, USA, who are born there, raised there, and never leave.

(By the way, for kicks, the population you gave of where you live right now is more than ten times the population of the town where I grew up. When I tell people I'm a backwoods hick from a place nobody's ever heard of, it's sincere.)

We're talking about a suburb of one of the top cities in the country with a population of almost a half a million people. It wouldn't exactly be a challenge to meet a person with a different skin color.








Some time ago, I told you that you had a propensity for quoting me and then, trying to paint what I said as the exact opposite. You're doing it, again.

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You can't compare the town you are sitting in right now to a place like Lawrenceville, GA. You also can't compare yourself to most people who do live in mostly white-town, USA, who are born there, raised there, and never leave.


Fuck Lawrenceville, Ga.! I was speaking from my own experience and, specifically when I said:

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Well, actually, if I didn't already have friends in one of the categories you mentioned, specifically before I moved to this area, I might not.


Please tell me what part of that sentence (which you also highlighted) you don't understand? "If I didn't already have ..."

Yes, in my life, I have been in places that were probably the most diverse on the planet. I grew up in NYC, but why are you trying to twist what I am saying to suit your desire to paint me in a way I never did?

Seriously? What the actual fuck?




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RE: "Come Meet a Black Person" - 1/5/2018 5:32:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		just a quick note to say, early on I mentioned how my local area is not all that ethnically/racially diverse, but just the thread itself is making reminisce about old friends who have come and gone in my life due to the temporary nature of where we met, and life changes that occur afterwards.

my closest workout partner (without naming the activity) during high school was black, but I don't ever really remember looking at him "as black"---rather, just as my friend and workout partner.

in grad school I had a crush on a Korean girl and we (my fellow grad school mates and I) had colleagues whom we counted as friends from all over the world. I had students from all over the world, and I loved that.

there might be a built in propensity to avoid differences and to go with similarities, but by the same token, there are indeed people who purposely seek out differences and find them desirable, or who don't even really notice the differences that much. I think im a mix of the latter two.

but maybe the main point being, for me anyways---friendships were a matter of geographic and temporal proximity, and shared interests---regardless of color or country of origin.

the notion of "come meet a black person" has some novelty to it, and maybe it gets some people thinking but it doesn't replace that on the whole, so much of friendship is really more a matter of where we are and what we do.

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RE: "Come Meet a Black Person" - 1/6/2018 8:27:42 AM   
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What people tend to do is separate friends and people they know away from the stereotypes they hold. It's not like people have that token black friend, so that's their free pass from any racism they might have.

But stereotyping people isn't racism. And stereotype can be either positive stereotypes or negative stereotype. Like for example, maybe when I see an African American, I automatically think, they are either gonna be naturally gifted athletically, or musically. That's not racism. It's a perception.

And of course you want to befriend minority people who are not their negative stereotypes. And not be friends with minority people who are their classical negative stereotype.

That's the point right?
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I see that kind of thing more when it's people being accused of being racist about their own race, rather than the race of the person they have married. That's a whole different topic.

I once knew a mexican american woman who was married to a nazi white supremacist and they got mix kids, 2 of them. It's kinda strange, like the dude is part of the whole white supremacy thingy, but he loves his wife to death and has mix kids. Do I think his racist? No.
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So you picked two specific groups that in this country have been targeted by certain hate groups who would like nothing more to see them harmed? Even I can't come up with enough sarcasm for this. (That's a pretty high echelon, by the way.)

Are you serious? You do realise this topic is precisely about a minority who wanna create more minglings right? Why would they be harm in such events? The people who don't like them will just not go there. And the people who are curious will attend.
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You do understand that there are still people in this country that get killed for no other reason than they are gay or trans? You can comprehend that, right?

Well that never happens in my part of the world, even though being homosexual is illegal. People are nice to gay people. It's like most people know it's not their fault they are gay and don't hold it against them. So yea, I have no experience with gays being killed where I come from.
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OK. You realize that Pennsylvania is a pretty big state, right?

Except where this couple was staying. They say they live 2 hours away from like the nearest modern facilities. So the South African chick was from Cape Town which is a buzzling place. And where her husband was staying in Pennsylvania, seem really rural. I guess my point is, despite being so out of no where, they got so many minorities friends.



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RE: "Come Meet a Black Person" - 1/6/2018 11:14:43 AM   
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my closest workout partner (without naming the activity) during high school was black, but I don't ever really remember looking at him "as black"---rather, just as my friend and workout partner.


I've found this to be true as well even on the professional level... but race seems to always raise its ugly head even in the most innocent ways. For instance our department would occasionally be forced to meet a quota when hiring. At that time I was a mid level supervisor and part of my job was to interview and hire. Another mid level supervisor was also a member of the interview team along with a HR representative. When the quota would come down requiring the hiring of a black employee my fellow supervisor, who was black, confided in me that he felt the quota insulting. I can understand that. Any time there was a dispute between employees of differing races a special report was required to be submitted to HR to determine if racism was involved. This was not required with employees of the same race. Our employees had daily interaction with the public and in doing so faced racism and complaints relating to their skin color.

I guess the point I am making it is almost impossible to separate race even in the best of friendships.

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RE: "Come Meet a Black Person" - 1/7/2018 9:09:12 AM   
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Any time there was a dispute between employees of differing races a special report was required to be submitted to HR to determine if racism was involved. This was not required with employees of the same race. Our employees had daily interaction with the public and in doing so faced racism and complaints relating to their skin color.

I guess the point I am making it is almost impossible to separate race even in the best of friendships.


Wow what kind of company are you working for?
This can't be normal everywhere in the US right?

I mean seriously, it's unheard of here. We have race quota for living locations, but not at work.

I guess it doesn't make sense anyway. Take for example, a Muslim cannot handle pork or alcohol. There is no way alot of places can have race quota for them, since they just cannot work in many types of places anyway. And this could include many jobs that may have to entertain clients. You can't drink with them or dine with them or even enter a non-halal venue with them. So all those jobs are off limits to Muslims accordance to their religion anyway. Because it involves being exposed to un-islamic things. Our Muslims are our indigenous folks. But they are like the African Americans because they are struggling the most in our country. And I blame that on their religion holding them back from success.

Our "blacks" which are the Indians, are already our top surgeons and lawyers and hella one of the smartest, so they don't need help getting jobs! Everyone wants them!


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RE: "Come Meet a Black Person" - 1/7/2018 10:07:33 AM   
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RE: "Come Meet a Black Person" - 1/7/2018 8:10:59 PM   
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Any time there was a dispute between employees of differing races a special report was required to be submitted to HR to determine if racism was involved. This was not required with employees of the same race. Our employees had daily interaction with the public and in doing so faced racism and complaints relating to their skin color.

I guess the point I am making it is almost impossible to separate race even in the best of friendships.


Wow what kind of company are you working for?
This can't be normal everywhere in the US right?

I mean seriously, it's unheard of here. We have race quota for living locations, but not at work.

I guess it doesn't make sense anyway. Take for example, a Muslim cannot handle pork or alcohol. There is no way alot of places can have race quota for them, since they just cannot work in many types of places anyway. And this could include many jobs that may have to entertain clients. You can't drink with them or dine with them or even enter a non-halal venue with them. So all those jobs are off limits to Muslims accordance to their religion anyway. Because it involves being exposed to un-islamic things. Our Muslims are our indigenous folks. But they are like the African Americans because they are struggling the most in our country. And I blame that on their religion holding them back from success.

Our "blacks" which are the Indians, are already our top surgeons and lawyers and hella one of the smartest, so they don't need help getting jobs! Everyone wants them!





It is common to have a quota system. Young well educated African Americans are in demand in today's job market. The trouble is finding them with the educational requirements. In my area at least it is not the educational opportunities as affirmative action quota's will open the door to a great education. The problem is an attitude in many African American inner city's that being smart and hard study is acting white. Yes I know this is a stereotype that is not true in many cases but it is a good generalization. Inner city school administrators have publicly pointed this out in an effort to make parents aware of this problem and attempt to change this destructive way of thinking.

Municipalities are particularly interested in hiring African Americans in an attempt to match employment to their city's racial makeup especially in their Fire and Police departments. Again social attitudes present a problem and it is difficult to find qualified applicants quota are not. Education in inner city's, in my opinion, is the best way to raise the quality of life in the shortest time. However there needs to be an attitude change before education can become successful.

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RE: "Come Meet a Black Person" - 1/7/2018 8:18:01 PM   
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Any time there was a dispute between employees of differing races a special report was required to be submitted to HR to determine if racism was involved. This was not required with employees of the same race. Our employees had daily interaction with the public and in doing so faced racism and complaints relating to their skin color.

I guess the point I am making it is almost impossible to separate race even in the best of friendships.


Wow what kind of company are you working for?
This can't be normal everywhere in the US right?

I mean seriously, it's unheard of here. We have race quota for living locations, but not at work.

I guess it doesn't make sense anyway. Take for example, a Muslim cannot handle pork or alcohol. There is no way alot of places can have race quota for them, since they just cannot work in many types of places anyway. And this could include many jobs that may have to entertain clients. You can't drink with them or dine with them or even enter a non-halal venue with them. So all those jobs are off limits to Muslims accordance to their religion anyway. Because it involves being exposed to un-islamic things. Our Muslims are our indigenous folks. But they are like the African Americans because they are struggling the most in our country. And I blame that on their religion holding them back from success.

Our "blacks" which are the Indians, are already our top surgeons and lawyers and hella one of the smartest, so they don't need help getting jobs! Everyone wants them!





It is common to have a quota system. Young well educated African Americans are in demand in today's job market. The trouble is finding them with the educational requirements. In my area at least it is not the educational opportunities as affirmative action quota's will open the door to a great education. The problem is an attitude in many African American inner city's that being smart and hard study is acting white. Yes I know this is a stereotype that is not true in many cases but it is a good generalization. Inner city school administrators have publicly pointed this out in an effort to make parents aware of this problem and attempt to change this destructive way of thinking.

Municipalities are particularly interested in hiring African Americans in an attempt to match employment to their city's racial makeup especially in their Fire and Police departments. Again social attitudes present a problem and it is difficult to find qualified applicants quota are not. Education in inner city's, in my opinion, is the best way to raise the quality of life in the shortest time. However there needs to be an attitude change before education can become successful.

Butch


What kind of attitude change?

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RE: "Come Meet a Black Person" - 1/7/2018 9:40:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kind of off subject but I think many African American communities are distrustful of most all institutions from their police departments to their schools and school administrators. I believe their needs to be a coordinated effort by the city administration, educational administrators, and local leadership, to emphasize the importance of education as a path to a better living. Parents must be convinced to teach their children the importance of a good education and to resist negative peer pressure.

A good education will assure good jobs that will increase the quality of living that will reduce crime. More income means more tax revenue and more money can be spent rebuilding scared neighborhoods. Better housing, roads, and infrastructure will attract more business and will employ the next generation of educated children.

It is the next needed big step to rebuild our inner cities into vibrant prideful communities that people will want to live in rather than flee. I am of course simplifying a complicated problem but it is a clear path to a better living.

If in charge I would send speakers to local churches, buy television time, go door to door, print and mail fliers, recruit volunteers and form neighborhood organizations. Any way I could think of to get the message out. I would provide financial education aid... money invested here would pay dividends in the future. I would collect and distribute school supplies and provide daycare centers to allow young mother's and father's to attend schools. I would encourage trade school participation and hire graduates to city services. There are many simple and relatively low cost ways to get the message out...all it takes is will.

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RE: "Come Meet a Black Person" - 1/7/2018 11:03:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think as KD says, IF African Americans youth feels like, studying overly hard and getting good grades is "acting white". Which actually is not! It's actually acting "Asian".

Then they got issues!

They should endeavor to beat white people in grades in my opinion. Like what the "blacks" aka "South Indians" does here. Beat Chinese in grades. And all the job offers come pouring in. Many of them move up! I feel like Chinese and Indians are always at head to head close competitions on who is better in school. But this competitiveness. I live in a country where education is rewarded. Your starting pay depends on your grades too. You can be paid significantly higher starting salary as a graduate due to better grades, despite same job, same amount of work load. That's how all the minorities move up. Where this is the easiest way for them to do so. Just excel in studies!

I don't know if they do this in the US.


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RE: "Come Meet a Black Person" - 1/8/2018 1:59:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		ive mentioned this story before here greta, I had a great phone interview for a job I had applied for. the person interviewing me said, in trust and very much off the record, "if it were up to me id hire you in a second, but youre the wrong color or gender."

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RE: "Come Meet a Black Person" - 1/8/2018 9:42:16 AM   
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ive mentioned this story before here greta, I had a great phone interview for a job I had applied for. the person interviewing me said, in trust and very much off the record, "if it were up to me id hire you in a second, but youre the wrong color or gender."

The person who told you that was an idiot. Not because it might not have actually been true, but because whether it was "off the record" or not, it would give anyone a potential grievance that they could have taken to the state labor board.

Whoever that was must not have been very good in the HR department.




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RE: "Come Meet a Black Person" - 1/8/2018 10:34:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

The person who told you that was an idiot. Not because it might not have actually been true, but because whether it was "off the record" or not, it would give anyone a potential grievance that they could have taken to the state labor board.

Whoever that was must not have been very good in the HR department.

Or the story was a complete fabrication, which is more likely the case.

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