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Problems with American Democracy and the constitution - 1/5/2018 12:00:41 PM   
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First of all, this is not in reference directly with any poster or anything posted on these boards in the last months or years, but is merely some observations I made after attending a county commissioners public forum this morning concerning some citizen proposed changes in local laws and citizen proposed new county codes.

After listening to some of the stuff proposed, I could not help but think that some of these people have no clue as to what is in the US or state constitution.

Seriously, a number of people were pushing to have the licenses of few businesses revoked due to the smell from them, one a live stock auction business, a feedlot, horse boarding stable with arena and a local drag strip.

Now the funny thing about that is that both businesses have been in existence for going on 20 years, and were there prior to the subdivisions who's residents are filing the complaints were even thought of.

I mean if you drive past the business in question to look at the $200,000 house, you should be smart enough to know there will be some odor you will have to deal with.

Right?

As for the drag strip, the complaints range from noise to the fact the place has opened it to 'amateur' racers on Saturday afternoons, where anyone that wishes can race for a small purse and bragging rights, minimum age is 17.

Now, since the raceway started this, the street racing problem went to almost zero, from about 90 tickets issued a week to around 10, and the number of kids involved in speed related accidents has also dropped dramatically.

Next was the proposal to ban hunting on private and public property in the county, along with the making it illegal to own firearms in the county.

Then there was the proposal to change the requirements to hold county office so that only property owners can hold office, also that only property owners can vote in county elections, since if you do not actually own property, you are basically exempt (actually you pay a substantially lower rate for county taxes, including the local school district taxes.)

Finally, there was the suggestion that, since the personnel at the Air Force base and their families are 'non permanent residents of the county' they should not be allowed to vote in any county election.

Well after hearing all that, it dawned on me that these adults clearly never took the required (at least in Texas) civics classes and never read the constitution.

Now with the above referenced, I have some thoughts to make changes to the way things are done in the US which might make the majority of Americans happy (sarcasm intended) since clearly our present system is not working, judging from all the complaints.

1) New requirements to vote or hold public office:
A) The right to vote be allowed to only those who, for a period of no less than four years, served the public either in the military, fire or police (or some other local service provided, ranging from garbage collection or any other municipal employment.)
B) The same applies to holding any elected office.
C) Should any of the public service related jobs require specialized training or college degrees, the cost of attending the advanced training incurred by the person be reimbursed fully after the term of public service.
D) no person can be disqualified for any reason of physical impairment, meaning that if they want to serve the public, something will be found that they can do.
E) State and federal offices require a minimum 8 years of service in active duty military, no reserve, no national guard.
F) Failing to vote in two consecutive elections automatically removes the right permanently.

2) Fire arm ownership to be limited to former members of the military or law enforcement, with clean criminal records, and a lifetime commitment to be subject to recall to service should the situation warrant such recall, regardless of physical condition.

Finally, non voting citizens have all protections under the law except any critical of the government, meaning they cant protest, criticize or otherwise do anything critical of the government, if they don't vote, don't want to qualify then they need to keep their mouths shut.


Or, baring all of suggestions of changes listed, how about if you dont vote in any election, you give up the right to be critical of any decisions made by the ones elected. When you figure that the turnout of registered voters is usually less than 60%, and then you look at the number of people raising hell, you have to ask the simple question:

If you didn't vote for the other guy (or gal) what fucking right do you have to say shit about the way things are?

You didn't exercise the one power granted to the citizens of this country to effect change, but you want to run your mouth?



All citizens not having met the rights to vote are entitled to all protections as anyone else, except their right to criticize the government, elected officials etc.


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RE: Problems with American Democracy and the constitution - 1/5/2018 4:20:15 PM   
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Sounds like the premise of the government in Heinlein's Starship Troopers. The book Starship Troopers as the movie tried to be a hit piece going for some sort of perverted Nazi angle instead of what Heinlein wrote.


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RE: Problems with American Democracy and the constitution - 1/5/2018 5:45:54 PM   
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Seriously, with the number of people complaining about the government vs the voter turn out in the last election, it boggles the mind that the ones that didnt vote seem to be the most vocal.

And yes, it was based on his book, with some changes.

The point being that according to voter turn out, the number of registered voters in the United States vs the ones that actually vote is a gap that boggles the mind.

If you didnt vote, or habitually dont vote but are registered, then what fucking right do you have to criticize the people in office?

And then you have the bullshit about voting laws that are discriminatory, which again compare the registered voter turn out for those minorities who are allegedly being discriminated against and the total registered voters, again it looks more like bullshit argument than actual discrimination.

Like I said, amend the constitution so that if you fail to vote in two consecutive elections, you lose the right permanently. There is no excuse for not voting, what with early voting, absentee voting and even people offering rides to the polls, it falls into pure laziness.

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RE: Problems with American Democracy and the constitution - 1/6/2018 12:33:53 AM   
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you cant be serious!
F is 100% unconstitutional, the military+guns issue 100% unconstitutional, forced to vote 100% unconstitutional, abstain from vote is done all the time in congress!
But I truly love the idea that anyone who wants to be in office collect garbage for 5 years first!

I feel your pain, truly I do, however this problem is so deep, the corruption of the intended system has gone so far that I am convinced you wont fix it in 100 lifetimes. People need to get it through their heads this country was created by for and of business, for the purpose of business and the foundation of all morals are based in commerce and the legalese religion of the land.

I agree, I watched a gravel pit owner forced out of business because of condo development, wanna talk about losing the revolution....how about kelo...the constitution stomped on my none other than scotomus maximus?

We have rigged voting matchines, proven by private parties and gubafia turns a perpetual blind eye. I can go on for pages writing whats all corrupt and just plain wrong in this country. We lost the revolution before the ink was dry starting with the marshall court.

Our democracy?

Its not 'a democracy' if it was you would be voting on everything along with the state legislatures and congress. Its a 'parliamentary democracy', your rulers vote for you, and they dont even need any input from you what so ever to vote on whatever they want! Democracy

U.S. Senate
The Senate traditionally has not considered Jefferson's Manual of Parliamentary Practice to be its direct authority on parliamentary procedure. However, starting in 1828 the Senate began publishing a version of Jefferson's Manual for their use, removing the Senate Rules from within the text and placing them in a separate section. In 1888, when the Senate initiated publication of the Senate Manual, a copy of the manual was included in each biennial edition. This practice continued until 1977. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson%27s_Manual


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RE: Problems with American Democracy and the constitution - 1/6/2018 6:04:50 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Seriously, with the number of people complaining about the government vs the voter turn out in the last election, it boggles the mind that the ones that didnt vote seem to be the most vocal.

And yes, it was based on his book, with some changes.

The point being that according to voter turn out, the number of registered voters in the United States vs the ones that actually vote is a gap that boggles the mind.

If you didnt vote, or habitually dont vote but are registered, then what fucking right do you have to criticize the people in office?

And then you have the bullshit about voting laws that are discriminatory, which again compare the registered voter turn out for those minorities who are allegedly being discriminated against and the total registered voters, again it looks more like bullshit argument than actual discrimination.

Like I said, amend the constitution so that if you fail to vote in two consecutive elections, you lose the right permanently. There is no excuse for not voting, what with early voting, absentee voting and even people offering rides to the polls, it falls into pure laziness.

Well aside the re-writing of the 1st amend., censoring those lawful citizens who choose not to or can't vote, the simple solution would be to make it crime...not to vote. Maybe certain waivers could issue for exceptions.

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