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Viva la revolucion? - 1/6/2018 6:58:16 PM   
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Venezuela supermarkets besieged after government forces price cuts

CARACAS (Reuters) - Mobs of Venezuelans gathered outside some Caracas supermarkets on Saturday after President Nicolas Maduro's government forced shops to slash prices, the latest unrest in the country's food shortage crisis.

Authorities on Friday ordered supermarkets to cut prices to levels they were a month ago, a drastic reduction given Venezuela's hyperinflation.

At one supermarket in a high-end district of Caracas, hundreds of people including babies, pensioners and children with disabilities gathered in chaotic scenes.

"We're hungry! We want food!" they screamed.

"In my house, we don't eat three times a day," said MileidyAcosta, a 28-year-old with three children. "People are fed up. Aperson earning the minimum wage couldn't buy even tomato sauce."

Maduro raised the minimum wage this year, though at the black market exchange rate it is still worth just $2 per month. The Venezuelan currency has weakened some 98 percent against the U.S. dollar in the last year.

On top of hunger affecting millions, shortages of medicines have led to needless deaths as the country goes through an economic crisis. Long supermarket lines and people eating from the trash are common sights.

Maduro's government blames the problems on the opposition, the United States and business people he says are waging an "economic war" against his government.

Critics instead point to strict currency and price controls, enacted originally more than a decade ago, and a badly planned economic policy.

"This doesn't help us. If they supply something, it'll be gone in a few days and they won't supply more," said Edgar Romero, a 45-year-old drummer who said he initially had supported Maduro's predecessor Hugo Chavez. "But we have to eat."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/venezuela-supermarkets-besieged-government-forces-price-cuts-164822021.html

Related - Bernie sanders praised the Venezuelan revolucion as his model for America

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RE: Viva la revolucion? - 1/6/2018 8:09:47 PM   
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Venezuela supermarkets besieged after government forces price cuts

CARACAS (Reuters) - Mobs of Venezuelans gathered outside some Caracas supermarkets on Saturday after President Nicolas Maduro's government forced shops to slash prices, the latest unrest in the country's food shortage crisis.

Authorities on Friday ordered supermarkets to cut prices to levels they were a month ago, a drastic reduction given Venezuela's hyperinflation.

At one supermarket in a high-end district of Caracas, hundreds of people including babies, pensioners and children with disabilities gathered in chaotic scenes.

"We're hungry! We want food!" they screamed.

"In my house, we don't eat three times a day," said MileidyAcosta, a 28-year-old with three children. "People are fed up. Aperson earning the minimum wage couldn't buy even tomato sauce."

Maduro raised the minimum wage this year, though at the black market exchange rate it is still worth just $2 per month. The Venezuelan currency has weakened some 98 percent against the U.S. dollar in the last year.

On top of hunger affecting millions, shortages of medicines have led to needless deaths as the country goes through an economic crisis. Long supermarket lines and people eating from the trash are common sights.

Maduro's government blames the problems on the opposition, the United States and business people he says are waging an "economic war" against his government.

Critics instead point to strict currency and price controls, enacted originally more than a decade ago, and a badly planned economic policy.

"This doesn't help us. If they supply something, it'll be gone in a few days and they won't supply more," said Edgar Romero, a 45-year-old drummer who said he initially had supported Maduro's predecessor Hugo Chavez. "But we have to eat."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/venezuela-supermarkets-besieged-government-forces-price-cuts-164822021.html

Related - Bernie sanders praised the Venezuelan revolucion as his model for America


Bernie was wrong 5 years ago.

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RE: Viva la revolucion? - 1/6/2018 8:23:54 PM   
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Price gouging in the case of a state emergency is illegal here in Florida. I think it makes sense?

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RE: Viva la revolucion? - 1/6/2018 9:19:48 PM   
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Hardly.

I'm more on-board with:







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RE: Viva la revolucion? - 1/7/2018 8:39:41 AM   
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Bernie was wrong 5 years ago.

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Bernie five years ago, is where the Democrat party is today



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RE: Viva la revolucion? - 1/7/2018 9:51:39 AM   
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Bernie was wrong 5 years ago.

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Bernie five years ago, is where the Democrat party is today





I am no fan of the Democrats. But, out of curiosity.... Which prominent democrats are praising Venezuela?

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RE: Viva la revolucion? - 1/7/2018 10:00:01 AM   
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Price gouging in the case of a state emergency is illegal here in Florida. I think it makes sense?


The "price gouging" in Venezuela, is the market trying to supply the demand

When the socialists tell the markets they have to charge less than what the markets need to keep items stocked and turn a realistic profit (enough for the store keeps to at least stay alive) what do you think that will do to the supply.

Florida is a different situation altogether, that law addresses temporary shortages due to hurricanes

The shortages in Venezuela are not due to any natural disaster. Their shortages are due to socialism

And the socialist's go-to fixes keep making things worse

Before their Marxist revolucion, Venezuela had a relatively fat and sassy population. It was a capitalist pig land of plenty

Now that the leftists got everything they demanded the population faces literal mass starvation and extreme shortages of every day necessities such as medicines and toilet paper etc

And as with all Marxist states, "The beatings shall continue until morale is improved"



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RE: Viva la revolucion? - 1/7/2018 10:03:23 AM   
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Bernie was wrong 5 years ago.

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Bernie five years ago, is where the Democrat party is today





I am no fan of the Democrats. But, out of curiosity.... Which prominent democrats are praising Venezuela?


(You mean "Marxism" right)

Gee... Yeah... Who.







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RE: Viva la revolucion? - 1/7/2018 10:06:40 AM   
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well, since that line of factless propaganda isnt working for the rightist howling demented imbeciles, they have went straight to worshipping Putin and those communists.

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RE: Viva la revolucion? - 1/7/2018 1:28:46 PM   
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youre getting really close to that "putinjizz" you love so much...

and you still don't quite get that "communist" thing do you?

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RE: Viva la revolucion? - 1/7/2018 3:07:51 PM   
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Sure I do, Comrade Dogshitski,

Richard M. Nixon (a rightist, a criminal........ah, but I repeat myself) was the only President in the rightwing howling demented imbecile communists run USA to institute wage and price controls. Venezuela is a republican shining example.

You demonstrate you don't get it, never have, and never will. But I have pointed that out to you before, you just forget right away and pretend you possess something like reason, but you dont.

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RE: Viva la revolucion? - 1/7/2018 3:28:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Bernie was wrong 5 years ago.

Next...


Bernie five years ago, is where the Democrat party is today





I am no fan of the Democrats. But, out of curiosity.... Which prominent democrats are praising Venezuela?


(You mean "Marxism" right)

Gee... Yeah... Who.









So... Hillary is praising Venezuela????

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RE: Viva la revolucion? - 1/7/2018 3:42:17 PM   
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(You mean "Marxism" right)



So... Hillary is praising Venezuela????


Are you really as stupid as you pretend to be

Even the Democrats aren't stupid enough to still praise Venezuela, after their Marxist dream worked it's magic there

Here's the presumptive frontrunner for 2020 Dem nomination though:



Watch the following video of her stump speech, then tell me with a straight face that she isn't pushing the same Marxist ideology that brought Venezuelans to their knees:

https://vimeo.com/29486020

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RE: Viva la revolucion? - 1/7/2018 3:53:18 PM   
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That would be living the dream. Trump vs. Pocahontas.

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RE: Viva la revolucion? - 1/7/2018 4:09:14 PM   
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That would be living the dream. Trump vs. Pocahontas.


You HOPE they run her, don't you?

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RE: Viva la revolucion? - 1/7/2018 4:11:35 PM   
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Can your president run from jail? I know most mayors and governors can.

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RE: Viva la revolucion? - 1/7/2018 9:32:33 PM   
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A couple of points:

Venezuela is not a Marxist country, but a socialist one, and there is a big difference.

And Secondly, and more to the point, Karl Marx, contrary to what every jack ass who never studied political philosophy wants to claim, never advocated anything remotely like the Soviet Union, Venezuela or any of these other fucked up countries trying to make the claim that they are following Karl Marx.

Socialism, is, in its simplest form, the political philosophy where the people own everything, all the businesses, factories etc and are paid as equals.

And true socialism will not work, not in the modern world, or any future world where a child is taught the idea of personal property.

The Soviet Union began under Leninism, continued under Stalinism and finished by total economic collapse. Proving that a communist society cannot survive. China is experimenting with growing capitalist markets, and is growing economically after how many years under Mao Tse Tung's idea on how socialism should work? Hell he had to die in order for China to evolve.

Karl Marx dealt with the alienation of the worker from all aspects of the industrialize society, and how the worker should become an integral part of the who economic machine that drives a health economic market.

He realized that market expansion will not work if everything is kept equal, and that expanding markets benefits everyone, from the business owner to the worker. He advocated unions, but not the way the Americans have taken unionization, wanting more for less. His idea was the workers gained benefits for increased production where they have a bigger say in how to achieve it, your basic happy worker is a productive worker.

And he certainly did not advocate a welfare state or fixed prices.

And contrary to what that idiot said in the damn video, while it is true that the highways are paid for by the people that use them, she better look at how much all of the commercial transport companies pay in fuel taxes, highway use taxes and everything else compared to the average car owner.

Guess what bitch, the car owner pays a state fuel tax, and a state highway tax when they register a car. A trucking company pays state and federal fuel taxes, state and federal high way usage tax, as well as paying a fee to operate in other states besides their own.

And those companies pay the bulk of the cost of those interstates, and do it twice.

As for education, clearly she does not realize that school taxes are not paid by just folks with students in the schools, they are paid by the property owners in that school district, regardless of if it is a residence or a business.

So the owner of that factory she was talking about is paying for the education for those workers he/she has hired.

And thanks to our wonderfully failing education system in the US, in many cases, further training is needed and the companies pay for that too.

As for fair taxation, lets consider something.

Many corporations make billions, and end up paying almost nothing in corporate taxes, thanks to loopholes created by both political parties.

And as far as personal income tax, no matter which party writes the new tax laws, the lower middle class is the ones that get fucked.

Before taxes, in 2015, the total American business profit in 2015 was $2.4 trillion dollars.

If you hit them with a 39% tax rate as some of the higher personal income brackets are screwed with, you would have a $936 Billion federal tax revenue.

That is on net profits, not gross profits, so that is after all the business expenses are taken out.

Now for the same period, individuals in the US paid taxes on $14.5 trillion dollars.

Now if everyone in the US was hit with a flat 12.5% tax rate, you get a total income tax of $1.8125 trillion dollars.

Total annual tax revenue to the US would be $2.7485 trillion dollars.

Now that would still leave us with a federal budget deficit of $1.3985 trillion dollars.

Now, if congress would listen to the GAO, you know that bunch that tells them how the money is spent, and consolodate agencies that are doing the same fucking job, you could eliminate a large chunk of that 1.3985 trillion dollars.

You think I am joking? Consider this:

There are 10 different agencies under the Department of Health and Human services addressing AIDs in minority communities.
Autism research is run by 11 different agencies.
Eight independent agencies in the Defense Department is working on finding MIA and unreported Prisoners of war.
Schriever Air Force Base in Colorado has 8 different satellite control centers to monitor 10 different satellite programs, and when you add the NASA facilities doing the same work, the number is tripled.

According to the GAO, in 2014 they added 26 new areas in the Federal Government where federal government programs are fragmented, duplicative, overlapping or just inefficient. Add that to the 162 areas identified in past reports, and Congress has a road map for saving tens of billions of dollars a year.

Then you have agencies that are in direct conflict with each other.

And finally there are the hundreds of billions in spending on social handout programs, make it mandatory that in order to get welfare one must either go to school to get into a good job field or work to offset the costs of foodstamps etc.

You know the 'workfare' idea that keeps getting shot down?

The US cannot afford to be handing money to people who can work and dont.

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RE: Viva la revolucion? - 1/8/2018 2:12:09 PM   
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it is difficult to sort the facts from the voluminous rightist propaganda:

http://cepr.net/blogs/the-americas-blog/the-media-venezuela-and-hunger-statistics-a-case-study-in-careless-reporting

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RE: Viva la revolucion? - 1/9/2018 2:33:29 PM   
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Socialism, is, in its simplest form, the political philosophy where the people own everything, all the businesses, factories etc and are paid as equals.


No, that's communism.

In any case, I don't care about political terminology. Nor does anyone who works or makes things or provides services for a living.

Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, (maybe even La France), et al. are what could be called "social economies."

Russia or CCCP/USSR and China and N. Korea were or are Communist governments and economies ('command' vs. 'demand' economies).

Third world and US capitalist systems sponge off the labor of the lowest class by way of the company keeping all benefit of increasing worker productivity for themselves, while the former also being at record low min. wage, then stealing what little they have left by way of payday loans, car title loans, etc. The process is quite thorough.

Some European countries have this -odd notion- that government or private venture, either one, have legitimacy only insofar as being in service to society.

They are trying to accommodate evolution in getting far away from the former feudalism and legal chattel way of doing things, whereas a number of others want to cling to it, or in fact regress even further.


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RE: Viva la revolucion? - 1/9/2018 2:59:50 PM   
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La lucha continua.

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