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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


Congratulations then - your brainwashing is complete. Someone posts a truth that is inconvenient to leftist howling, and you have a knee-jerk reaction to argue against it

Next, you can argue with this: The fact that the most "liberal" state in the union, is the poverty capital of America:

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Guess which state has the highest poverty rate in the country? Not Mississippi, New Mexico, or West Virginia, but California, where nearly one out of five residents is poor. That’s according to the Census Bureau’s Supplemental Poverty Measure, which factors in the cost of housing, food, utilities and clothing, and which includes noncash government assistance as a form of income.

Given robust job growth and the prosperity generated by several industries, it’s worth asking why California has fallen behind, especially when the state’s per-capita GDP increased approximately twice as much as the U.S. average over the five years ending in 2016 (12.5%, compared with 6.27%).

It’s not as though California policymakers have neglected to wage war on poverty. Sacramento and local governments have spent massive amounts in the cause. Several state and municipal benefit programs overlap with one another; in some cases, individuals with incomes 200% above the poverty line receive benefits. California state and local governments spent nearly $958 billion from 1992 through 2015 on public welfare programs, including cash-assistance payments, vendor payments and “other public welfare,” according to the Census Bureau. California, with 12% of the American population, is home today to about one in three of the nation’s welfare recipients.

California Democrats have long been free to indulge blue-state ideology while paying little or no political price.

The generous spending, then, has not only failed to decrease poverty; it actually seems to have made it worse.

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
Not that it has anything to do with the topic... But at the city level, if you want to look at Republican led cities VS Democrat, you find far more centers of Meth, Heroin and poverty in Republican-led cities than Democrat.
Not that I am a fan of Democrats. In many cases they are the lesser of two evils.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
Not that it has anything to do with the topic... But at the city level, if you want to look at Republican led cities VS Democrat, you find far more centers of Meth, Heroin and poverty in Republican-led cities than Democrat.
Not that I am a fan of Democrats. In many cases they are the lesser of two evils.

Please cite.

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
From this link in 2014 (this is at the County level which I will say is close enough)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jul/29/facebook-posts/are-97-nations-100-poorest-counties-red-states/
Poorest: Lowest median income (bottom 10 Counties in the US:
1. Owsley County, Ky.
2. Jefferson County, Miss.
3. Wolfe County, Ky.
4. Brooks County, Texas
5. McCreary County, Ky.
6. Hudspeth County, Texas
7. Hancock County, Tenn.
8. Jackson County, Ky.
9. Clay County, Ky.
10. Holmes County, Miss.

10 highest Poverty Counties:
1. Shannon County, S.D.
2. Clay County, Ga.
3. East Carroll Parish, La.
4. Sioux County, N.D.
5. Todd County, S.D.
6. Hudspeth County, Texas
7. Holmes County, Miss.
8. Corson County, S.D.
9. Wolfe County, Ky.
10. Humphreys County, Miss.

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From this link... The 30 most drug addicted cities:
1. Elizabeth, NJ - Mayor Bollwage - (D)
2. Atlantic City, NJ - Mayor Guardian - (R)
3. Kermit, WV - Mayor Sparks - (R)
4. Portland, ME - Mayor Strimling - (D)
5. Baltimore, MD - Mayor Pugh - (D)
6. Missoula, MT - Mayor Engen - (D)
7. Cook County, IL (lots of cities. I'll call it (D)
8. Española, NM - Mayor Lucero (D)
9. Jersey City, NJ - Mayor Fulop (D)
10. Washington, DC - Mayor Bowswer (D)
11. Wilmington, NC - Mayor Saffo (D)
12. Anniston, AL - Mayor Draper (R)
13. Panama City, FL - Mayor Brudnicki - (R)
14. Enid, OK - Mayor Shewey (R)
15. Hickory, NC - Mayor Wright (R)
16. Pensacola, FL - Mayor Hayward (R)
17. Gadsden, AL - Mayor Guyton (R)
18. Montgomery, AL - Mayor Strange (R)
19. Johnson City-Bristol, TN-VA - Mayor Van Brocklin (R)
20. Texarkana, TX-AR - Mayor Bruggeman (R)
21. Tuscaloosa, AL - Mayor Maddox (D)
22. Jacksonville, NC - Mayor Phillips (R)
23. Amarillo, TX - Mayor Harpole (R)
24. Terre Haute, IN - Mayor Bennett (R)
25. Odessa, TX - Mayor Turner (R)
26. Oklahoma City, OK - Mayor Cornett (R)
27. Longview, TX - Mayor Mack (R)
28. Fayetteville, NC Mayor Robertson (R)
29. Evansville-Henderson, IN-KY Mayor Winnecke (R)
30. Chattanooga, TN Mayor Berke (D)

11 D's - 19 R's

From this link

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/lists/meth_states/
Top 10 Meth STATES
1. Indiana (R)
2. Tennessee (R)
3. Missouri (R)
4. Ohio (Call it mixed - Your state) - Guarantee you that the Meth areas are in the R areas (i.e. SE Ohio)
5. Illinois (D) - Bet you the Meth areas are outside of CHicago
6. Michigan (D) - Bet you the Meth areas are in the Ted Nugent area
7. North Carolina (R)
8. Kentucky (R)
9: Oklahoma (R)
10: South Carolina (R)
Just a note... From my own state:
https://www.drugrehab.com/2017/05/03/methamphetamine-crisis-in-washington-state/
It references Spokane area in the R part of the state

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
From this link in 2014 (this is at the County level which I will say is close enough)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jul/29/facebook-posts/are-97-nations-100-poorest-counties-red-states/
Poorest: Lowest median income (bottom 10 Counties in the US:
1. Owsley County, Ky.
2. Jefferson County, Miss.
3. Wolfe County, Ky.
4. Brooks County, Texas
5. McCreary County, Ky.
6. Hudspeth County, Texas
7. Hancock County, Tenn.
8. Jackson County, Ky.
9. Clay County, Ky.
10. Holmes County, Miss.

10 highest Poverty Counties:
1. Shannon County, S.D.
2. Clay County, Ga.
3. East Carroll Parish, La.
4. Sioux County, N.D.
5. Todd County, S.D.
6. Hudspeth County, Texas
7. Holmes County, Miss.
8. Corson County, S.D.
9. Wolfe County, Ky.
10. Humphreys County, Miss.

Of course you'll say it's close enough. If a County has a small population and was a huge coal-producer but isn't anymore, is it up to the State to maintain incomes (ie. Owsley Co., KY)?

Oglala County, SD (Shannon County until May of 2015) is an Indian Reservation and strongly Democratic....

But, what does any of that matter to you?

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From this link... The 30 most drug addicted cities:
1. Elizabeth, NJ - Mayor Bollwage - (D)
2. Atlantic City, NJ - Mayor Guardian - (R)
3. Kermit, WV - Mayor Sparks - (R)
4. Portland, ME - Mayor Strimling - (D)
5. Baltimore, MD - Mayor Pugh - (D)
6. Missoula, MT - Mayor Engen - (D)
7. Cook County, IL (lots of cities. I'll call it (D)
8. Española, NM - Mayor Lucero (D)
9. Jersey City, NJ - Mayor Fulop (D)
10. Washington, DC - Mayor Bowswer (D)
11. Wilmington, NC - Mayor Saffo (D)
12. Anniston, AL - Mayor Draper (R)
13. Panama City, FL - Mayor Brudnicki - (R)
14. Enid, OK - Mayor Shewey (R)
15. Hickory, NC - Mayor Wright (R)
16. Pensacola, FL - Mayor Hayward (R)
17. Gadsden, AL - Mayor Guyton (R)
18. Montgomery, AL - Mayor Strange (R)
19. Johnson City-Bristol, TN-VA - Mayor Van Brocklin (R)
20. Texarkana, TX-AR - Mayor Bruggeman (R)
21. Tuscaloosa, AL - Mayor Maddox (D)
22. Jacksonville, NC - Mayor Phillips (R)
23. Amarillo, TX - Mayor Harpole (R)
24. Terre Haute, IN - Mayor Bennett (R)
25. Odessa, TX - Mayor Turner (R)
26. Oklahoma City, OK - Mayor Cornett (R)
27. Longview, TX - Mayor Mack (R)
28. Fayetteville, NC Mayor Robertson (R)
29. Evansville-Henderson, IN-KY Mayor Winnecke (R)
30. Chattanooga, TN Mayor Berke (D)

11 D's - 19 R's

From this link

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/lists/meth_states/
Top 10 Meth STATES
1. Indiana (R)
2. Tennessee (R)
3. Missouri (R)
4. Ohio (Call it mixed - Your state) - Guarantee you that the Meth areas are in the R areas (i.e. SE Ohio)
5. Illinois (D) - Bet you the Meth areas are outside of CHicago
6. Michigan (D) - Bet you the Meth areas are in the Ted Nugent area
7. North Carolina (R)
8. Kentucky (R)
9: Oklahoma (R)
10: South Carolina (R)
Just a note... From my own state:
https://www.drugrehab.com/2017/05/03/methamphetamine-crisis-in-washington-state/
It references Spokane area in the R part of the state

OMG, you aren't even able to be honest at all, are you?

http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/spincontrol/2016/jun/04/mapping-vote-red-v-blue-spokane-county/



See that blue part? That would be Spokane, Washington. It doesn't fucking matter if the State voted blue or red, either. If the area where the meth crisis is happening is blue or red, it makes a much larger impact. FFS!

Grow the fuck up.

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Just a note... From my own state:

https://www.drugrehab.com/2017/05/03/methamphetamine-crisis-in-washington-state/

It references Spokane area in the R part of the state

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In 2006, Congress passed the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act (CMEA), which made large-scale domestic meth production nearly impossible...

As a result of the crackdown, commercial-scale meth production was taken over by drug cartels, which manufacture the drug, then covertly shipped across the U.S.-Mexico border. Several cartels, including the Sinaloa cartel, the Knights Templar cartel and the Beltran-Leyva Organization, compete for shares of Washington’s drug market and ship large quantities of meth to the state. So, despite the production crackdown, the meth supply is still growing. The DEA seized 250 pounds of meth in Washington in 2010, and 600 pounds in 2014.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Just a note... From my own state:

https://www.drugrehab.com/2017/05/03/methamphetamine-crisis-in-washington-state/

It references Spokane area in the R part of the state

From your link - thanks to Obama and his no-borders-against-shithole-countries program:

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Just a note... From my own state:

https://www.drugrehab.com/2017/05/03/methamphetamine-crisis-in-washington-state/

It references Spokane area in the R part of the state

From your link - thanks to Obama and his no-borders-against-shithole-countries program:

I would not agree with that. However, I DO support a merit-based immigration system, which seems to be a horror to the left (from some reason).

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
Wow!!! Such vitriol. I should have been more clear. I was making a general point about the central and eastern part of the state being red.

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You asked me to cite, and I did. If you honestly believe that your refutations prove me wrong, that I am somehow "fudging the results", and that the majority of poverty and meth abuse is in Democratic areas, then I leave you to that belief. To be honest, I am a little embarrassed in pursuing this whole discussion, as drug abuse is a nationwide problem that knows no party affiliation.

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Perhaps, my good friend BoscoX's ranting got the better of me. I love to debate, but this is not area in which I really care to. Once again, you asked me to cite, so I did. If you want to say "Grow the fuck up", then I suggest you take that advice as well.

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Just a note... From my own state:

https://www.drugrehab.com/2017/05/03/methamphetamine-crisis-in-washington-state/

It references Spokane area in the R part of the state

From your link - thanks to Obama and his no-borders-against-shithole-countries program:

I would not agree with that. However, I DO support a merit-based immigration system, which seems to be a horror to the left (from some reason).

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
Wow!!! Such vitriol. I should have been more clear. I was making a general point about the central and eastern part of the state being red.

Right. You made the comment that area was red (which I'm not even questioning), and made it seem like the problem is in the red area, though the actual problem is in the blue area within the red area. And, now you're acting like you didn't plan it that way? I have more respect for your intelligence than to think you didn't do that on purpose.

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You asked me to cite, and I did. If you honestly believe that your refutations prove me wrong, that I am somehow "fudging the results", and that the majority of poverty and meth abuse is in Democratic areas, then I leave you to that belief. To be honest, I am a little embarrassed in pursuing this whole discussion, as drug abuse is a nationwide problem that knows no party affiliation.

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Fudging the results? Noooo. It's the analysis of those results that's being abused. It's not fudging. That's not even close to what you were doing. You're likely more embarrassed for being called out on your bullshit.

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Perhaps, my good friend BoscoX's ranting got the better of me. I love to debate, but this is not area in which I really care to. Once again, you asked me to cite, so I did. If you want to say "Grow the fuck up", then I suggest you take that advice as well.

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You tried to make a point. You failed. Quit acting like it was an honest error. Man up and accept your were flat out wrong and got caught.

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
Wow!!! Such vitriol. I should have been more clear. I was making a general point about the central and eastern part of the state being red.

Right. You made the comment that area was red (which I'm not even questioning), and made it seem like the problem is in the red area, though the actual problem is in the blue area within the red area. And, now you're acting like you didn't plan it that way? I have more respect for your intelligence than to think you didn't do that on purpose.

WRONG. The problem is the RED area. I have been to Spokane in the city many times. Not much Meth use there. The problem is in the rural county SURROUNDING Spokane. I MEANT to say that because it is true. Your premise is bullshit, and so is your conclusion.

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Spokane hasn’t caught up to where we’re going to be. This is something that we’re going to be combating for time to come.”

~Spokane Police Capt. Eric Olsen, speaking about potential drug threats to the area at a March 2016 meeting of the city’s Public Safety Committee

There’s good news and there’s bad news for residents of Spokane, the second-largest city in Washington State, when it comes to the issue of drug and alcohol abuse in the area.

The good news is that overall, Spokane’s statistics involving drug abuse and overdoses have so far not reached the levels experienced in other areas of the country, particularly the East and Midwest.

The bad news is that in the city, the county, and across Washington State, there are still significant areas of concern regarding the issue of illicit and prescription drug abuse.

Addiction Statistics for Spokane, Washington

The illicit drug market in the Spokane area is fluid and cyclical – at the turn of the century, Spokane’s biggest problem was methamphetamines, but today, meth is being rivaled by heroin as the area’s most dangerous illegal drug threat.

More than 12% of deaths in Spokane County involve alcohol- or drug-related causes in some way.
In 2005, that number was less than 9%.
Since 2013, the number of accidental drug overdose deaths in Spokane County has risen by more than 60%.
Within the past month 8% of Spokane adults have engaged in binge-drinking.
Nearly one-third of traffic fatalities in Spokane County are alcohol-related.
Between 2010 and 2014, the number of people in Washington who died of heroin overdoses more than tripled, surpassing methadone and oxycodone as the drugs most frequently involved in fatal overdoses.
That data is mirrored in Spokane County – in the one-year period between 2014 in 2015, heroin-involved deaths in the county also more than tripled.
In Spokane, methamphetamines are still responsible for more deaths than heroin.
Between 1999 and 2008, the number of people in Spokane County who died from accidental prescription drug overdoses skyrocketed TWENTYFOLD.
When broken down by substance, the most common drugs listed as the cause of death are:
Methamphetamines – 29 deaths
Heroin – 22 deaths
Benzodiazepines – 16 deaths
Morphine – 14 deaths
Hydrocodone – 11 deaths
Oxycodone – 10 deaths
Methadone – 8 deaths
Codeine – 8 deaths
Statewide, more than half of 2014 opioid overdoses involved multiple drugs.
Approximately 1 out of every 5 fatal opioid overdoses also involve meth.
When listed by substance, rehab admittances in Spokane breakdown as follows:
Alcohol – 30.2%
Marijuana – 21.9%
Methamphetamines – 18.3%
Heroin – 13.4%
Other opioids/synthetics – 11.5%
Between 2002 and 2013, the rate of publicly-funded drug treatment admissions involving opioids in Spokane County rose by over 188%.
In 2015, more money was spent on marijuana in Spokane County than wine, bread, or milk.



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