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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/13/2004 8:15:06 PM

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Mark,

Very good points.

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Some antidepressants seem to cause suicide in teens!

Sadly, this is true ..... Zoloft being one of them. Suicide is a whole other issue all together.

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if you want stable mental health, you need to find out why you are acting the way you are

This is where you're both right and wrong. Without mental clarity, it's impossible to get to the underlying causes. The last 5 years of my life have been a veritable sh*t storm. Recently, I was prescribed Lisinipril (an anti-depressant). It doesn't make the problems go away ... but it helps my body to produce the serotonin and norepinephrine needed to weed through all of the bullsh*t and get to the center of the problem.

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/13/2004 9:23:50 PM

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I agree with you inadazey. Being a psychology student and hoping to work in criminal justice I face discrimination everywhere I turn.

Sometimes I just want to yell "Someone has to help these kids, and I don't see you lifting a finger so it may as well be me."
It's frustrating, but I fully believe that without people like me this world would be a much sadder place

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/13/2004 9:30:24 PM

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Yes ... we're lucky to have you. BTW .... whatcha wearin' beneath that kilt?

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/14/2004 4:20:33 AM

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A true Scot never tells

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/14/2004 8:10:20 AM

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I'm living proof that meds can be extremely beneficial. I have always suffered from anxiety, Some years ago I had such severe panic attacks I was not able to go to work, drive my car, or do anything else for that matter. I just wanted to die. I had no reason to feel that way. It wasn't brought on by any particular reason. I was happy with my life as it was, but had re occurring panic attacks which debilated my life tremendously. I was prescribed paxil, it literally saved my life. Sure, it's had side effects, I still am on it, I wish I didnt need it, however any side effects, no matter how bad they are or might get, does not compare to the agony I felt before. No therapy, confession, or anything else for that matter could of or would of been able to bring me back from the hell hole I was in, mentally. I am here today because of an anti-depressant, no question about it.

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/14/2004 8:17:18 PM

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No therapy, confession, or anything else for that matter could of or would of been able to bring me back from the hell hole I was in, mentally.

just out of curiousity, did u try therapy, confession, homeopathic remedies or anything else before taking the paxil?

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/15/2004 5:40:01 AM

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I did try therapy, never worked at all. I tried hypnosis, did nothing. As far as confession, i had never spoken about my anxiety/panic attacks, and did find it helpful when i started speaking of it with my friends and family, it helped me acknowledge and even accept my situation. However, during the time a few years ago when out of the blue i began getting these severe panic/anxiety attacks it was something i had absolutely no control over. I was not able, mentally or physically to bring myself out of it. I was even suffering from nocturnal panic attacks which would wake me up in the middle of the night, from my deep sleep, and it was just terrifying. My breaking point was one day while i was at work, i was busy doing my job, not feeling stressed or anything, just a normal regular day and all of a sudden felt my hands go numb, then my heart race, and i mean it felt like a motor running inside my chest, my vision blurred, i felt i was literally dying, it was an overwhelming sense of doom i can't even explain it, i had to walk out of the office, i got in the car, i don't know why i did this but i did, i began driving, wanting to go to a hospital thinking i was having a stroke or something, i ended up driving wrong way into a one way street, left my car smack in the middle of the road and barely made it into the nearest business that was there, a daycare, i was crying and begged the lady to call 911, i said i was having a stroke, it felt like i was about to black out, i felt i had no time to even get help, the paramedics got there, they took me to emergency and it had been a panic attack....that's when i decided i had to give meds a shot. I was always very hesitant about trying any meds, but i decided nothing would ever be worse than what i was going through. During the time before the paxil began kicking in i had gotten to the point where i was unable to drive or go to work. I had to stay at my moms house, with my son so that she could help take care of him because i was unable to. I was sick, no different than a diabetic who needs insulin.
Anyhow, flash forward, now i have been able to learn how to take deep breathes, my mind isn't as fogged as it was before, i am able to lead a normal life, i dont have the fear that i will flip out at any given moment, i still struggle with my anxiety and all but that rush of emotions i once had, the intense sadness, or the fears and anxiety that had become part of me are no longer there. I am much more stable, still have ways to go, but i am able now to recognize and deal with it where before it was just impossible.
I know there is a lot of misuse going on, I've met people who might feel a little depressed or just a bit nervous and then get on meds for a quick fix, that was definately not my case, so my point here is this, there are those, as myself, who truly do need these meds inorder to survive. It's that simple, without it i would have either lost my mind completely or maybe even my life.
I am concerned about the withdrawls, i know it wont be easy once i am off the paxil, i even get nervous about weanign off it and i wonder if i will just go back to the state of mind i was in before the paxil, but as i said in my first post, the good thats come out of it, my peace of mind, certainly out weights any bad, by far.

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/15/2004 6:31:55 AM

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Thank you for opening up about your experiences dally. I really feel for you because I suffered panic attacks as well and ruled out heart problems first. Then tried therapy alone. Sometimes therapy, or confession, or homeopathic remedies are just not enough. I can't do "visualization" while my heart is racing like a freight train. I get the attitude a lot that psychiatry is a scam and it only makes me feel worse for having to seek it, like I'm broke or something even though I can lead a normal life again due to my meds.

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/15/2004 9:04:29 AM

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I know it may sound really strange and unrelated, but have you had your hormons checked? When I stopped taking Birthcontrol I got panic attacks. I knew what the cause was, I was fine if I didn't go to work, but until the birth control got out of my system and my body got back to 'normal' (I have PCOS or normal really means not normal) I would flip out if I had to go to work. I just couldn't do it. I would stand in the hallway, panicing about doing a job I had been doing for two years. I had one manager who was sympathetic and would let me go home. The other just told me it wouldn't get any better at home. That was... fun.
I do think there is a time a place for med. Sometimes there really is no other way. But I do think it's over used.
The people who train to do these things are by no means all careless or bad, there are a lot of people out there who really truely want to help. And I for one am very glad they are here. I just think we have turned into a society that medicates too much. Really, we made it this far before we had all these meds. It's great that they are avalable, but why give them out when there may be anouther way to deal with the problem? If there's not, great, here you go, hope it works. But again, if someone had just taken the time to really talk to my friend, they would hae realized that the best way to fix the voices was to deal with what caused them. Not dope her up.

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/15/2004 10:36:13 AM

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srahfox i agree totally with you, i too feel there is a tendency to over medicate, i wouldn't say it's anything new, maybe just more "acceptable" now. I remember my mom being hooked on sleeping pills when i was a kid, she had anxiety, back then they would hand out sleeping pill prescriptions like it was candy.....no one would talk about it as openly as we do now, but doesn't mean it wasn't going on.

I don't think however that a person that truly has a disorder, not talking about someone who might get a panic attack here and there, or someone who feels down on the dumps, or is a lil nervous, you get the point, but someone who is not able to control their symptoms and is not in a clear state of mind to be able to help themselves with other methods such as talking about it with a professional etc, when it is a problem and interferes with your life, how it did mine, it can very well be that the only solution left is medication, not to numb you out or get your all drugged up and out of it, but to stabilize you and allow you to be able to lead a productive life without the torment that comes from any mental illness. Of course, ideally once the person is stable enough where whatever symptoms they were having have ceased then they can deal with the underlying issues and the causes, sometimes tho you never will know the answers to that but if you understand it better and learn to deal with it then you can move on and eventually get off the meds. Anyhow, that's just my perspective on this whole medication thing.....oh by the way, you made perfect sense about the harmones, i know it does affect a persons mood, i have hypo thyroid disorder, and yes that also aggrevates my anxiety and depression, but it's been under control for a long time now.

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dally

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/15/2004 11:21:57 AM

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the pathetically amazing thing is that the toxic pharmaceuticals wrapped up in pretty colors are the first and only thing that far too many are willing to accept, without even TRYING any other options out. what if what the original poster said was true, and all one really needed was a confessional, or a natural herb, or behavioral modification, or all three? thanks to the plethora of quacks out there and the delusional idea that there is a quick-fix pill for everything, many people will never know. because of an allergy to aspirin and related salicylates, this slave has had to read labels and opt out on taking many OTC and prescription meds since childhood. relying on non-pharmaceutical substances and methods are the reason this slave is here today and can still function.

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/15/2004 11:59:01 AM

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the pathetically amazing thing is that the toxic pharmaceuticals wrapped up in pretty colors are the first and only thing that far too many are willing to accept, without even TRYING any other options out. what if what the original poster said was true, and all one really needed was a confessional, or a natural herb, or behavioral modification, or all three? thanks to the plethora of quacks out there and the delusional idea that there is a quick-fix pill for everything, many people will never know. because of an allergy to aspirin and related salicylates, this slave has had to read labels and opt out on taking many OTC and prescription meds since childhood. relying on non-pharmaceutical substances and methods are the reason this slave is here today and can still function.

Then again, sometimes those "toxic pharmaceuticals" can save your life.

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/17/2004 12:03:22 AM

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I think a lof of the posts in this thread make some very valid points. The variety of answers and the effects of medication or therapy is the exact reason why I personally think that there is no generalized answer available such as ALL medication is bad and ALL medication is good or therapy or hypnosis or just picking yourself up and getting on with your life or whatever. Unfortunately, mental illness is just too much of the unknown and even more so are the medications being used to treat it. This does not necessarily mean the medications are bad for every one and for every reason, it just means that they are in the learning stage and mistakes will be made in order to find products that will eventually help a large segment of the population.

Two of my best friends both coincidentally suffered from such severe panic attacks that it was dibilitating to the point where they both ended up bordering on agoraphobia and would only leave their home for absolute necessity. One was helped by medication and therapy, although mostly through the medication and found therapy for her was not of much use. The other was helped only by therapy and found that to be great for her. The one thing I found scary for each of them was that the professionals they were working with were so absolutely adamant about their particular modalities and at least from what was relayed to me through my friends (granted I was hearing this second hand) those professionals felt that was the right way for everbody. In fact, the friend who was seeing the therapist told him of my (minor and not life threatening) heart problem and he told her that I did not have a heart problem, but I was having panic attacks. I think my cardiologist who performed the cardiac cath procedure to actually view my heart as it was having this problem and saw it with her own eyes would have disagreed with him.

This is a perfect example of the issue I have with the mental health field in particular........these overly broad statements and opinions that this is what works and it works for everyone. How often do you find a medical disease that is exactly the same in every single person? All types of cancer are "cancer" by name..........and yet how many types of cancer are there, how many types of treatment, how much of that is based on the individual person?

Yet depression is considered by many professionals to be one illness that is the same for everyone with the same exact treatment. Yes, there may be some variances here and there (manic depression for example) but for the most party -- I can say of all the people I've known over the years who have suffered from it or been told they suffered from it, the treatment was identical in each and every single case. Take this pill and come and talk to me once a week for an hour. I wish that each of the people who have told me about the problem and treatment could have a simple, pat answer for the result: I was cured or the treatment worked.

It scares me when I think of the crap I have heard from the mouths of mental health professionals. At the same time, I know many people who were helped by them, so I know they are not all bad either. But quite frankly.......tread carefully among them and be warned.

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/17/2004 6:35:23 AM

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i am in agreeance with Mercnbeth's last post in relation to natural remedies.
i have seen a what i would call a long drawn out death because of the colored little pills. A friend had some dreadful memories resurface after 20 years to do with incest and rape. Yes she went to therapy, yes she took the pills, yes she tried to kill herself and yes she commited herself into an institution. This was the cycle for about 3 years, but each time the "pill factor" come up (which was every few weeks), they either upped the dose or prescribed a different and more potent one. The quack she was seeing even sent a letter to the government to get permission for a drug that wasnt even on the market! It got to the stage where they were even giving her Pethedine injections! The rainbow of drugs took a toll on her body and mind, and i believe ...in the end it destroyed her, my friend. my friend in the 12months before her death, couldnt remember what she had said 2 minutes ago, my friend thought i was plotting against her, my friend who turned on me constantly, my friend who in the end shouldve lived longer than she did. i did suggest trying natural remedies, but by that time, she was too dependent on the drug cocktail, and she truly truly believed, that without them, she wouldnt cope. The Merry-go-Round sped up, i think she wanted to get off, but couldnt/wouldnt because it was now going too fast, but instead of holding on for her life, she just let go

Im so sorry that i went on a bit, i believe any pills should be closely minitored, and what works for some, doesnt work for others.
i do however believe that other options should be offered before the prescrition pad comes out.
Also confession and emotional release is great for anyone.....as long as the person you are speaking to, stops looking at the clock!

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/17/2004 8:07:42 AM

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Did your friend become this way because of the drugs? Or did she go on the medications because she was feeling this way?

I agree that medication is highly over used and everyone now is being labeled with some disorder or new "disease" and it is scary that psychiatrists and psychologists are so prompt to hand out both these labels and prescriptions..... I definately believe anyone who begins having signs and symptoms of any type of mental distress should seek help, explore other types of avenues that do not necessarily involved medication...however, when the person reaches a certain point where they are just too gone to rationalize or too deep in their own emotional and/or mental problem to be able to sit through a therapy session, or confession, etc...then why not try a medication that can help in balancing them out, at least bring them back to a more stable state where they can then have the ability to seek other forms of treatment.

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This is a perfect example of the issue I have with the mental health field in particular........these overly broad statements and opinions that this is what works and it works for everyone. How often do you find a medical disease that is exactly the same in every single person? All types of cancer are "cancer" by name..........and yet how many types of cancer are there, how many types of treatment, how much of that is based on the individual person?

I agree with you totally on that..... everyone's situation is unique, however i'll give you a quick example here, I take paxil cr which is an anti-depressant, yet this medication works for my anxiety, it's prescribed to people who may suffer from a wide range of disorders, ocd, depression, etc... my problem has never been depression but rather anxiety/panic disorder, yet this medication has worked wonders for me personally....I have a friend who takes abilify which is a medication prescribed to schizophrenia patients, he is not schizophrenic (sp?) he has anxiety lack of concentration, and depression, this medication has helped him greatly....so, what i'm saying here is that even if i agree that people shouldn't just seek a quick fix and that these types of medications are sadly over used, that's not to say that for those who are abusing these drugs their are many others, such as myself, who have benefited immensly and had a real disorder that needed medical attention. I don't think it's fair to just bash medications, and i don't mean in this forum i am refering to the media that have reported on the horror stories of these medications without mentioning the positives... I think the person suffering from any disorder should have all their options open and be able to decide for themsleves and with the guidance of a well trained doctor who is not biast one way or the other.... I've been on both sides of the fence with this issue so i understand the fear of these medications, i spent many many years struggling with my problem and would not try any pills, i was prescribed prozac and zanax, etc and i'd throw the prescription away, however, time came when my problem was affecting me in such extreme ways that it was either trying out the meds or just giving up on life all together, and i now i can honestly say i only wish i had done it sooner, i lost a lot of time feeling the way i did when it was obvious i needed help, and i did try therapy, many times.....but for me, it did not work.

Well, there's my $0.02

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/17/2004 8:27:54 PM

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Hi dally,

she was quite happy, and active before the emotional issues started resurfacing, i would say it was then "that the wheels fell off the cart" for her.

The counselling process was very slow as there was a lot for her to deal with, she generally come away from these worse, and she couldnt cope with the ultimate feeling of betrayl and sadness. i agree yes, that the pills couldve helped if they were some how kept in moderation, but with the attitude she got "if one doesnt help, take 2 or 3" is not right for everyone, and instead of counteracting a side effect with another drug, perhaps it may have been better to take her off it! Not just keep adding different types.

She had support from friends, her hubby and kids, and she turned on us all. We didnt take it personally as we knew it wasnt "her". It seemed the only time she was ok was when she slept, which i would say was about 18hrs a day.

i do believe the drugs had quite a lot to do with how she become, they altered her physically, mentally and emotionally, none for the better. i dont think anyone wishes to be like that. And as i said in the last post, she was convinced that she wouldnt cope without them, they became a security blanket, and there's not a lot you can do when someone is in that mindset.

Dont get me wrong, im not preaching, saying this will happen to everyone that seeks help emotionally, i have no qualifications in any type of medical field at all. Merely what works for some, doesnt for others, and i am using my friends story as an example of emotional distress and medication gone awry.

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/18/2004 12:16:30 PM

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I find myself in the uncomfortable position of straddling the fence on this issue. I have worked in the field of mental health for the past 15 years. Most of that time has been spent working in institutions with severely mentally ill persons. I have seen first hand how the proper medication can help a person and what happens to a person who is severely mentally ill and stops taking the medications. On the other hand, I have witnessed something I find amazing. Suddenly, everything we need or want comes in a little pill. It's like the old snake oil salesmen of the 1800's where they hawked their wares to cure any and every thing. I do not blame the doctors nearly as much as I blame the drug companies. As a very wise man once told me, "If the only tool you have is a hammer, then every problem is going to look like a nail."

Medications are not the panacea for all of our problems. We need to face them squarely and be honest with ourselves. Then and only then can we set about to solve them. For some, the meds are a viable, helpful solution or at least a help. For others, meds are just a way of
not taking responsibilty for their behavior. It is up to each of us to determine our path in life.
As I have grown older, I find that more and more, I see that most of my problems have come not from forces beyond my control but from my own poor choices.

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What a timely topic - 12/23/2004 4:24:16 PM

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I was diagnosed as having had clinical depression from childhood. There is a hereditary component to mood disorders and depression. I had a breakdown in 1995 and was off work for a year. I didn't return to my job, but took a buy out. After many years of working at jobs that weren't as high paying as the one I left and going into appointment setting by phone, I had another breakdown in Nov 2003, I have been off work, on medication and under psychiatric care since then. With the one exception of the time my meds were changed, the illness has had little effect on my BDSM lifestyle.

I have been very upfront about my illness and several people have approached me with questions. Recently I started a self help support group Mood Disorder Dom/sub Support. This group is for people who are into the BDSM lifestyle and dealing with mood disorders like depression, anxiety, panic attacks, stress related diseases etc.

It is more difficult to cope if you feel alone with the problem. Talking with someone going through similar issues can be of help.

This is not intended to be a medical, diagnostic or treatment resource. If you need such resources I strongly urge you to talk to your doctor.

We have members from across Canada, the USA and Austrailia. It is a good group of folk, we are not another B.com or Collarme , we don't have personals or anything of that sort. It is just a place to come to share & find support.

You need to have a Yahoo profile as it is a Yahoo group and your age has to show in the profile as it is an adult oriented list.

If you want to check it out, the URL is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mooddisordersupportdomsub/

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/23/2004 5:44:31 PM

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Let's face it, emotional health is important in this life style. Even if vannilla pl may think that we're all crazy, let's just remember that it was Freud who said "The only wierd sex is not having sex" If you get a chance go to the forign film section of your video store and watch a movie called "BREAKING THE WAVES"

But I do earge caution if you are involved with a pschizophrenic. If they're not in a mental institution they're good but always make sure that they are taking there medication. When they think they are pregnant with your kid and belive it to be the antichrist, you might want to rethink the relationship.

As for the confessions, conscious or no conscious just fess up. How else are you going to be yourself and learn each other kinks. Saying "I've done this and use to do this and don't do this anymore bcause of this" is kinda what a relationship is about. Besides, they'll find out sooner or later. Other than that, it's all on you. I don't mind having a sub who lies, because when I find out OH BOY !!!

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/23/2004 6:09:03 PM

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Just one more thing for us to consider and to be a little more serious on the subject

As a dom I"ve been with many subs who have a past of being raped, abused, and both. I can never stress enough the importance of knowing or being prepared for when a sub might have a flash back. As far as confessions go, I do belive it's important that a sub tell you the truth about past abuse or how other masters treated him/her so that there can be more trust as well as getting ready for unexpected events.

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