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Georgia Election Subversion Case - 10/24/2023 9:10:34 AM   
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Jenna Ellis, the lawyer for Donald Trump who was also facing criminal charges for attempted election subversion, is taking a plea deal, pleading guilty to one count of aiding and abetting false statements and writings.

In Fulton county on Tuesday, Ellis became the fourth of 19 defendants to plead guilty as part of the wide-ranging racketeering charges into Trump and allies in the 2020 election in Georgia. Last week, both Sidney Powell and Kenneth Chesebro pleaded guilty before their trials were to start. Scott Hall, an Atlanta bail bondsman, has also pleaded guilty.

Ellis pleaded guilty to aiding and abetting false statements and writing. She was sentenced to five years’ probation, ordered to pay $5,000 restitution to the Georgia secretary of state, 100 hours of community service, and to write a letter of apology. She also agreed to cooperate with prosecutors testify truthfully against the remaining defendants in the case.

Four Treasonous Traitors down and only 15 more to follow, which I presume includes insane Trump.
What a lot of people don't really talk about is that would have been the end of democracy in America. Trump had already began the process. Bill Bar, Supreme Court of Bigots, and all his other choices of insane loons.

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RE: Georgia Election Subversion Case - 10/24/2023 2:00:16 PM   
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So I think that's a total of 3 plea deals now? Supposedly all to flip on Trump. It seems to be the best case against him but will it make enough of a difference?

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RE: Georgia Election Subversion Case - 10/24/2023 3:32:50 PM   
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Trump, GOP and sundry went full Joseph Goebbels. Shit is bound to happen. I would tell America to read a History book but they have burnt all of those.

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RE: Georgia Election Subversion Case - 10/25/2023 5:51:52 PM   
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We haven't burnt all the history books. Banned most of them. Heavily edited the rest.

Ronald Reagan wasn't one of the 12 Disciples over there huh?

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RE: Georgia Election Subversion Case - 10/25/2023 7:40:49 PM   
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Did you know all those banned books are reported by less than 12 people. Those 12 people haven't read a page of any of those books. They are employed by PACs or Pacs?

Senile drooling Ronald Regan I remember. I rememeber Margret Thatcher.

I liked how loser trump played age card 10 years ago. He was your golf president wasn't he not?


My ask. How much money has he drained. I have him at 1 trillion. This years lawyer fees are 200 million.

I forgot to mention black History. Drumpf and his illegal import first lady.



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RE: Georgia Election Subversion Case - 10/26/2023 2:30:56 AM   
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I know there's a list circulating among that crowd. Schoolboards are getting new reports every day.

But this is America. Keep books out of schools, we just need God & guns.

Speaking of guns... Mass shooting in Maine. Suspect is still on the loose, likely headed towards a fourth target. Some white dude with what looks to be an AR-15. Or similar maybe.

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RE: Georgia Election Subversion Case - 10/27/2023 1:51:14 PM   
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I know there's a list circulating among that crowd.

There is. Even the ones circulating the lists haven't read any of those books. One person has reported more books than anyone. He is at about 40 now and works for one of those Pacs.

You would kinda figure if someone from Scotland knows this then a few Americans should?


As of 2020, the top ten reasons books were challenged and banned books included sexual content (92.5% percent of books on the list); offensive language (61.5%); unsuited to age group (49%); religious viewpoint (26%); LGBTQIA+ content (23.5%); violence (19%); racism (16.5%); drugs, alcohol, and smoking (12.5%); "anti-family" content (7%); and political viewpoint (6.5%).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_commonly_challenged_books_in_the_United_States

Correct me if I am wrong but what happened to free speech or does apply that only apply to the likes of Trump over throwing democracy?

ALA documented 1,269 demands to censor library books and resources in 2022, the highest number of attempted book bans since ALA began compiling data about censorship in libraries more than 20 years ago. The unparalleled number of reported book challenges in 2022 nearly doubles the 729 book challenges reported in 2021. Of the record 2,571 unique titles targeted for censorship, the most challenged and reasons cited for censoring the books are listed below.

https://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/top10

I am sad to say some books in the UK have had the odd line changed eg Roald Dahl rewrites: edited language in books criticised as ‘absurd censorship’

Critics are accusing the British publisher of Roald Dahl’s classic children’s books of censorship after it removed colourful language from works such as Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Matilda to make them more acceptable to modern readers.

A review of new editions of Dahl’s books now available in bookstores shows that some passages relating to weight, mental health, gender and race were altered. The changes made by Puffin Books, a division of Penguin Random House, first were reported by Britain’s Daily Telegraph newspaper.

Augustus Gloop, Charlie’s gluttonous antagonist in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, which originally was published in 1964, is no longer “enormously fat,” just “enormous”. In the new edition of Witches, a supernatural female posing as an ordinary woman may be working as a “top scientist or running a business” instead of as a “cashier in a supermarket or typing letters for a businessman”.

The word “black” was removed from the description of the terrible tractors in 1970s The Fabulous Mr Fox. The machines are now simply “murderous, brutal-looking monsters”.

Booker prize-winning author Salman Rushdie was among those who reacted angrily to the rewriting of Dahl’s words. Rushdie lived in hiding for years after Iran’s Grand Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in 1989 issued a fatwa calling for his death because of the alleged blasphemy in his novel The Satanic Verses. He was attacked and seriously injured last year at an event in New York state.

In our instance it just seems like the politically correct mob, which is a lot different from what is happening in America.

My stance is no books should be censored. No statues removed either. It is called History. At a push they can update the plaques



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RE: Georgia Election Subversion Case - 10/28/2023 1:51:27 AM   
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Just my guess: the crowd of bible thumpers feel a deeply-rooted depression that they had nothing so well-organised as the inquisition was. But they definitely keep on trying.

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RE: Georgia Election Subversion Case - 10/29/2023 8:54:22 AM   
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Somehow, the Inquisition seems like a stretch. We're not there yet. I'm sure it's down that slippery slope, but we just need to deal with the problem at hand.

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RE: Georgia Election Subversion Case - 10/29/2023 12:16:40 PM   
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I only really started paying close attention to America at the rise of Trump. I had heard of the Evangelical's but had no idea, until recently, how much power they wield. They effectively pick the Republican Politicians and the ones that will mirror or parrot there extreme views.

That is what gets amplified throughout America. No wonder it is so fucked up.

With Trump I strongly suspect they could make him parrot their believes in return he gets their endorsement and political machine support.

Trump doesn't care about anyone other than himself.

What do you think of him and the MAGA lot? By MAGA I mean pretty much all GOP voters. I forget when this site went down but I reckon most of him was missed, and also Biden.

Like me I take it you are not from America and we can offer a different perspective. I have no recollection of ever seeing a country that divided.

I truly believe it is broken beyond repair. The fault lies with their right.


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RE: Georgia Election Subversion Case - 10/29/2023 5:43:37 PM   
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I am from the US. Florida, actually.

The religious right have found their power structure and are putting it to use. Now, the belief is that any rights given to some have been taken from the majority. All of the political fights these days stem from that, and there is no discussion of how to do things properly among actual people.

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RE: Georgia Election Subversion Case - 10/31/2023 8:31:31 AM   
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I knew they existed but I didn't realize how powerful they were until Trump time - is when UK started getting blasted with 10 fucked-up USA stories a day. I would surmise they are actually picking the Republican politicians. I guess it always been like that and they predate the orange idiot?

What proportion of America, would you say, are Christian Evangelicals?

As far as I am concerned those Christian Evangelicals are no better than the parts of Islam I abhor. In short they are religious extremists claiming god is on there side and this is what God wants.



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RE: Georgia Election Subversion Case - 11/1/2023 4:00:17 AM   
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quote:

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... Now, the belief is that any rights given to some have been taken from the majority. ...


So, for them, "rights" are a limited mass on a balance, and anything put on one side puts the whole off balance? What a weird idea. So, for them. there can be nothing added as a plus. This is even worse than being mentally stuck in the year 1776.

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RE: Georgia Election Subversion Case - 11/1/2023 3:23:31 PM   
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Well, Republicans have always been "Christians" while Democrats are pure heathens, and usually socialists. Supposedly.

"Rights" really don't mean much if they can't be protected. And it is always easier to blame someone else than to admit your own mistakes. So, when those in power or majority lose ground, they look for a scapegoat and frame themselves as the victims with the moral high ground.

Truth doesn't matter as much as circumstances to people, and what will make THEM better off. Nobody goes to a Trump rally because they think Biden is helping them out.

Anything that benefits someone and has to be funded with somebody else's money will always receive opposition, be it public education, Social Security, low income housing, whatever. There has to be a personal reason to contribute to the welfare of others, preferably monetary. There almost always is, of course, but it needs to be promoted in that light and continually defended when someone attacks it. Cuz really, wtf do I care about textbooks in school? I'm fine anyway. But I'm probably gonna want a doctor that's not a dumbass, so yay education!


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RE: Georgia Election Subversion Case - 11/2/2023 9:16:53 AM   
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Doesn't the average Republican earn less than the average Democrat, and Democrats IQ higher, or college educated, if you prefer me to say it like that.

You would think from that statement alone an American Republican would be a fan of free health care, benefits, democracy and the likes. And would therefore be more inclined to vote for democrat values.

If I asked a democrat and republican what did trump give you your replies would be what?

Take Trump's 1.5 trillion tax give away the only beneficiaries were top 0.1% individuals and top companies. And the 1.5 trillion will cost over ten times that in the coming decades for most Americans. In Trumps 4 years of carnage he added more to the debt than anyone else.

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RE: Georgia Election Subversion Case - 11/2/2023 2:55:05 PM   
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How much a person makes annually or their education level is really no indication of which party they're with. I think Ted Cruz got his law degree from Yale? Elon Musk seems to support Donald Trump.

It would be wrong to think all minorities would be Democrats too. Condoleeza Rice certainly isn't.

It's inaccurate to think all religious people are Republicans. The Reverands Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson aren't.

There are just so many factors involved. Both parties have failed to live up to promises made at some point and sometimes, people just give up on that issue ever changing. Or they take matters into their own hands, to force change. Dr King's birthday isn't a national holiday because it was the right thing to do, but because some people believed in it enough to make that happen, and continuously worked towards that goal for years. That doesn't stop the comments regarding it as showing bias to Black people each year.

This country still has a long way to go to live up to it's promises, but progress has been made, and I believe will continue to be made over time if we can keep democracy afloat.

Right now, I think people are getting too wrapped up in party politics to even look at the actual issues, and some issues get pushed aside because others take the forefront.

But the two party system is here and struggles for power in both parties happen all the time. There are decisions made by politicians that are mocked by either party, while some people see those same moments as a reflection of the individual's true soul, politics be damned.

And both parties have failed the people that needed them most out of greed, racism, narcissism, etc.

I choose to consider the actual issues and the actual people I'm voting for, whenever possible. But sometimes, we're forced to vote against, rather than for. Lesser of the two evils and all.

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RE: Georgia Election Subversion Case - 11/6/2023 10:13:23 AM   
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Trump's only affiliation, political or otherwise, is only to himself. He actually though about runnin as the democrat nominee but within that process he would never have won so he picked the brain dead side or raving loons and won.

If the election boiled down to political issues and sanity then the democrats would always come out on top and by a large margin.

In the corruptly topple your own government case no one has been held accountable, at lest not yet. The foot soldiers who stormed the capital have to small degree. The hangmans noose, complete with gallows, was a nice touch if you are fucking insane. Many died on that day. The last pretence you had democracy ended there and then with Trump, his band of criminal associates, and the likes of Fox, all goaded and cheered them on as they fought the tyranny of real democracy.

That reverberated around the world along with his other criminal and rape stuff.

The very first election I voted in, after much angst and struggle, I was 18 and I voted for Labour to keep Thatcher out. Thatcher won. I always voted SNP. But a point I am trying to make that is what a vote for not them gets you even in extraordinary circumstances. You go down that rabbit hole once and only in extreme circumstances.

I will never understand why he was allowed to run in the first place let alone for a third time giving his litany of crimes against, law, humanity and democracy.


I cant understand who would vote for him or why. But I do understand people vote for him. You will think the same.

Joe Biden is your biggest liability. Is that fair? NOPE. As long as I ignore the age thing. I will add in he has done little wrong if you want my assessment of Joe.

Rules don't apply to Trump, or his supporters, and I would include most to the GOP in my assessment.
They should apply but the right are too far gone.

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RE: Georgia Election Subversion Case - 11/6/2023 3:41:47 PM   
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Yeah, I don't like Trump much either, but I think Americans are tired of foreign involvement in our elections completely. Allies. Enemies..everyone has an agenda. That strengthens the whole America First thing.

Democracy here has been fragile since at least the 2000 election. Since then, the GOP has been working on State election laws to give themselves the advantage of a similar situation arises.

I have no illusions of rainbows and butterflies if Trump wins in 2024.

I used to be registered as a Republican, so I could vote against the biggest idiot in the primary, because that's the time to shake the nuts out of the branches. But I switched so I could actually impact who I wanted to vote for in the general election. What ideas I wanted to get representation.

And therein lay the issue. Liberals always have to come up with great ideas, while conservatives only have to say 'no'. But now, liberals are losing ground here, as conservatives are still saying 'no' to issues we thought were settled 50 years ago.

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RE: Georgia Election Subversion Case - 11/7/2023 7:24:07 AM   
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you can do something like that here All leaders, of UK parties are effectively picked by paying members of said party (there can be exceptions to that main rule) Registering isn't, but is, a problem because you have to pay a monthly or annual fee. Guessing around £10-£100. If there are 40 million voters be lucky if 5 million are paying members of said parties and from that 5 million you would be lucky if 2 million voted.

I don’t think it is about liking Trump. I actually believe he is insane. He is also a pathological liar & criminal etc. He is that insane he wont actually realize he is lying. His word is gospel and should be accepted by all and sundry. His stories and rhetoric frequently change in the same paragraph. He has a pathological need for his frequently evolving realities to be accepted. He has daddy issues bordering on the extreme.

Trump continues to seek approval from a father who is no longer available but still holds sway over Trump's need for accolades. His severe insecurity fuels his compulsion for control and loyalty from those who work to further his self-interested agenda.

He is mentally unfit. Plain and simple. Learning that he studied the speeches of Hitler and mimicked some of the dictator’s methods isn’t surprising, yet still alarming.

I honestly believe many of those conservatives are a lost cause. As you infer the next generations appear no better, and in some cases, actually worse than their predecessors.

Trump also has a pathological need to control the narrative. That is a tactic embraced and exploited by the Nazis, Putin, and all dictators.

Certainly Russia and NK will be going into overdrive, like last two cycles, with election interfere. We all interefere in pretty much many lections buit nothing on those levels.

Elections are never really won by the 51-100%. In America they will be won plus or minus 5%.

My understanding is that Trump has the swing states he needs, at least at the moment he does.


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