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Which Democrat should challenge Olde Joe Biden

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Which Democrat should challenge Olde Joe Biden - 10/27/2023 12:22:40 PM

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Dean Phillips launches bid for president. ‘It could be the end of his political career.’
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/27/dean-phillips-presidential-campaign-2024-00123919

CONCORD, N.H. — The presidential campaign Dean Phillips will launch on Friday is such a longshot that some of his colleagues call it a vanity project. Other top Democrats privately deem it a mid-life crisis.

It may also be the clearest distillation to date of the undercurrent of discontent with Joe Biden among Democratic Party voters, even if it’s not likely to represent much of a genuine threat to the president.

I may be as thick as a brick but if Joe Biden isn't challenged now then Trump will definitely win. Personally I don't think Joe has put a foot wrong but that is irrelevant. Even if he makes it to 2024 in the vertical plane his age and dementia will finish the last credibility he has.

I remember Ronald Regan, which hopefully you all do.

Democracy, Laws, Age, Dementia, Sanity, Treason, Toppling your own government (as long as it democrat), don't apply for Republican picks - Trump latest example.

The fact the democrats are sitting on this makes them even more pathetic because they are supposed to know better, so they frequently claim.

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RE: Which Democrat should challenge Olde Joe Biden - 11/1/2023 5:11:50 PM

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The incumbent president isn't usually challenged seriously by his own party, cuz he kinda runs the party. Cuz like, White House man, wow.

Biden won because Trump lost. A re-election campaign is more determined by the confidence in the job the president is doing than it ever is about the opponent. It's not really unusual for a president to serve two terms. George HW Bush was the last one-termer before Trump, then it was Jimmy Carter, and that's all in my lifetime.

Changing leadership and policies so often would be kinda bipolar, but neither party has held onto the White House for a third term since Bush followed Reagan.

Also, only one president in American history has ever won a second term after losing a re-election campaign was Grover Cleveland after the Civil War. But, only a handful of loser presidents have ever tried. Like 5 or 6?

But the 2024 election will be a decision based on whether Biden has done a good job in office. So it's important to look at how many campaign promises Biden has followed through on and how many he hasn't, the state of the American economy, the state of the world since Biden took office... Stuff like that.

Mind you, Trump has been campaigning since he lost, while Biden has been actually doing the job. And it's not like a week has gone by that Trump wasn't in the news for something or other. You say 'indictment', I say 'free publicity'. Same thing really.

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RE: Which Democrat should challenge Olde Joe Biden - 11/2/2023 9:00:36 AM

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JVoV If Biden runs you will lose. He needs challenged and now. I had no issues with Hillary someone

Hillary was labelled hateable, as has Biden with focus on his age and mental competency. Labels stick. Apparently not for criminals and traitors like Trump, which I can never understand.

He is too old. Even Trump is too old and he also has the onset of dementia. Last rally mob meeting he confused Obama with Hillary. He might not have actually confused the two because I believe he is that stupid and unaware of anything that does not concern only Him.

If Biden doesn't pass away because of old age late 2024 he will be drooling by 2025. Onset of dementia and it worsening, more often than not, is rapid.

Democrats having the approach of dont rock the boat now will back fire. Like Hillary. With Hilary, the Clinton machine levelled Bernie Sanders.

What do I think of the Job Biden has done so far? Pass with flying colours.

Trump doesn't need to win the election (popular vote) he just needs to win 3 particular states.

What do I think of Trump? Shit-show and then some. He should be barred from running and that includes the last two times. He is a criminal many times over and doesn't believe in democracy when it concerns him and has no issues of dismantling the mediocre democracy America has left.

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RE: Which Democrat should challenge Olde Joe Biden - 11/2/2023 4:44:52 PM

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Facts are still facts though. Whatever my thoughts about Biden, he's probably going to have the support of the Democratic Party and be the nominee again because that's just how it's done. The VP would take over in the event of the President's death (by any means), so the candidates for that position are important too. Biden is sticking with Kamala Harris, while Trump is probably taking bids or seeing who kisses his ass most, idk.

Labels do have a tendency to stick, especially if they're valid. Even if not true, labels can erode support while energizing the opposition.

The only things that could possibly prevent Trump from getting the Republican nomination would be an actual felony conviction, his death, or any other Republican candidate outshining him. That last one doesn't seem very likely, but either of the other two have a really good chance. The same is true for Biden though. A viable third party candidate hasn't come along yet and doesn't seem realistic anyway, but third parties may gain more traction in 2024. May not though. Who knows?

A president's second term gives him more freedom to be himself than the first, not having to even think about reelection. That alone could persuade voters against either candidate because of their proven track record, though some voters will still choose to look at the actual issues facing this country and what either man has done to make things better. Others will simply vote along party lines.

For either man to win the election, they need to energize their base. But at least this time, there is no lockdown to worry about. So far, anyway.

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RE: Which Democrat should challenge Olde Joe Biden - 11/4/2023 7:56:20 AM

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You have to hope and pray Biden makes it to end of 2024 alive and not drooling. Biden will not see out a second term.

Labels do have a tendency to stick, especially if they're valid. Even if not true, labels can erode support while energizing the opposition.

That was how Trump "won" his first election. Made up bullshit energise the base by filling their heads with dangerous shit. His second election was even worse, he did all of that, then actually tried to over throw the government. I wonder what he will do next time around?

I am surprised the right haven't tired to gain another point or two by singling out Kamala Harris as essentially the person who the Democrats are really voting for next term.

Half the Democrats are voting for not trump

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RE: Which Democrat should challenge Olde Joe Biden - 11/5/2023 2:17:51 PM

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Trump is the presumptive nominee for the GOP, but that won't be official until August or so, when they have their convention. Then the general election is in November 2024. I think it's far too early to worry about any of that just yet, although steps cpshiukd be taken to ward against the possible and likely evil to come.

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RE: Which Democrat should challenge Olde Joe Biden - 11/6/2023 9:38:28 AM

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The Orange Crimewave is leading in the polls - definitely in 6 Swing States. I surmise shit is looking grim for Senile Joe Biden.

Trust me on this The way things stand Biden will lose, and I called that months ago. My sister just left my hovel and she has half a brain. I said Trump will probably get back in. She said, Joe is too old but then she added that about Trump, and about America politics in general.

She is aware of some of the scandal surrounding Trump but made no mention of it to me.

Biden is a poison chalice. That is locked in with half of your simpleton electorate. There is no way to change that mindset.

Trump is an idiot, loon, criminal x 1000 over, treasonous, traitor, doesn't believe in democracy, one person one vote if its not for him. Incompetent in every way imaginable. Half the simpletons don't care. Which is odd because get them started about Hunter's laptop or lock her up Hillary someone, and it is a different story entirely.

I am missing his latest trial. I bet you his testimony is the usual; a complete shit show of self incrimination?

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RE: Which Democrat should challenge Olde Joe Biden - 11/6/2023 1:24:49 PM

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I don't really have anything nice to say about Trump. When American voters take to the polls to decide our president for the next term, the entire direction of the country, and the world, is riding on that choice. This includes every federal agency, every federal court nominee, every law that gets passed, every shipment of arms sent to Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan, where ever. Trump has the advantage of not being in office now, so has plenty of time campaigning around the country and criticizing every decision Biden makes. Joe has a job to do. This is why the incumbent president doesn't generally have to fend off primaries. The general election can be hard enough.

Biden's approval rating has been extremely low since day one. The country doesn't feel more united since he took office. If anything, since Biden won the election, the opposition to his agenda has grown, making his job that much harder. The GOP rarely supports his decisions, but even his own party members disagree with things.

Then there's the scandals. Trump has the tactical advantage here now, too. Every legal issue Trump faces he can label as a witch hunt, whereas Biden has to (at least seem to) adhere to a higher standard, since he actually has the job.

The poll numbers now don't really matter, but Trump will have the advantage of time he can devote to campaigning and rallying, with tons of free press, even if a lot of it is bad. Biden could perform an actual miracle and get as many naysayers as the moon landing. Unless he does that water into wine thing. People might believe that.

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RE: Which Democrat should challenge Olde Joe Biden - 11/19/2023 2:21:33 AM

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At least click a vote once in a while :( Half an hour it takes me to do poll threads. Its your turn anyway.

If Biden (80) presented as Bernie Sanders virile (82,+IQ) then I would mention the age thing a lot differently but I would still mention age. Trumps 77. Mitch and Dianne older, and who knows whom else.

Another tact your right use is we demand the world by offering it nothing yet entitled to demand all by going full isolationist. Make up your mind.
What happened the last time your American voters took to the polls? How conveniently the right forget to mention that. They tried to topple American democracy.

The reason Trump hasn't been banned from the ballot is ludicrous. The whole American political machine was designed to stop insurrections etc getting in and that is why there was no mention of "president" I don't have to put my legal scholar hat on to challenge that ruling in multiple ways and I am a simpleton.

I will be honest with you. If I had to vote in the next USa election I would vote for not-Trump. In that case it would be Democrat but it doesn't have to be Joe Biden.

On the issue of Trumps criminality his list and his fiscal prudence impressively missing except to line his own pockets.

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RE: Which Democrat should challenge Olde Joe Biden - 11/19/2023 6:47:17 AM

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Honestly if the US voters decide to vote for some fruitcake, liar, fraud, again, into the leading office to ruin their country even further, I couldn't care less. They have any right to help ruin their country like that. What I find appalling is the obvious failure - on both sides of the divide - to find just one with more guts, less wobbly knees, and some ounces of brain left, to avoid the damages coming and those already done.
Does anyone remember orangehead stamping all attempts to construct any possible peace solution in the Middle East in the ground, just to please his buddy Benji (they would have made very fitting cell mates)? Now we all can see the consequences, and count the dead bodies on both sides. Sadly the damage done is not isolationist, hasn't been, won't be.
These things really suck.

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RE: Which Democrat should challenge Olde Joe Biden - 11/22/2023 6:39:49 AM

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I do. Yet strangely the media makes no mention of the Insane Orange doing this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_peace_plan with his crack team of geopolitical scholars such as: The plan was authored by a team led by Trump's son-in-law and senior advisor Jew-Jared Kushner.

During the press conference announcing the plan, Netanyahu announced that the Israeli government would immediately annex the Jordan Valley and West Bank settlements while committing not to create new settlements in areas left to the Palestinians for at least four years. U.S. Ambassador to Israel David M. Friedman claimed that the Trump administration had given permission for an immediate annexation, stating that "Israel does not have to wait at all" and "we will recognize it" wtf?

On December 6, 2017, President Trump formally recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and stated that the American embassy would be moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

https://www.politico.eu/article/trump-embassy-jerusalem-palestinians-killed-during-protests-against-us-move/ At least 37 Palestinians were killed and more than 1,600 were injured Monday during a protest against the relocation of the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem.

Naftali Bennett, Israel’s education minister, told Israel Radio that anyone who approached the fence would be considered a terrorist, the Guardian reported.

The move was also harshly criticized by some global heads of state, with leaders in the Middle East warning Donald Trump that the move would undermine peace efforts in the region and that it would spark mass protests and even terrorism.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu lauded Trump’s “bold decision,”

When Trump’s decision was discussed at the United Nations in December, 128 countries condemned it, including key allies like Germany, the UK, and France. All of these countries boycotted the inauguration ceremony.

At the time of the decision, even Trump’s own team wasn’t especially convinced by it; both secretary of defense James Mattis and then-secretary of state Rex Tillerson reportedly tried to dissuade the president.

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RE: Which Democrat should challenge Olde Joe Biden - 11/23/2023 1:46:39 PM

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Yeah well, in the media's defense, there are like A LOT of indictments and court trials. We knew about Jared's whole peace thing when it happened. Just like we knew Trump moved the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.

I would've expected Trump's idea of peace to be carpet bombing all of them.

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RE: Which Democrat should challenge Olde Joe Biden - 11/23/2023 2:09:15 PM

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Oh. And ICTMI there was some sort of global pandemic thing Trump totally fucked up.

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RE: Which Democrat should challenge Olde Joe Biden - 11/24/2023 12:35:50 PM

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Prepared to be shocked. That was actually all Jared. Most likely at the behest of [Charles Kushner][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Kushner]

Charles Kushner (born May 16, 1954) is an American real estate developer and disbarred former attorney.[1][2][3][4] He founded Kushner Companies in 1985.

In 2005, he was convicted of illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion, and witness tampering, and was sentenced to two years' imprisonment, which he served in the Federal Prison Camp, Montgomery. As a convicted felon, he was also disbarred in three states. He later received a federal pardon issued by his son's father-in-law Donald Trump on December 23, 2020.[5][6] Kushner has donated significant amounts to Trump's campaigns. Previously, he was a major Democratic party donor.[7][8]

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RE: Which Democrat should challenge Olde Joe Biden - 11/24/2023 5:30:08 PM

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Why would old news shock me? All of that came out when Jared was up for security clearance, which he got anyway.

How we got here isn't as important as how we make things better, or where we go next. It's probably too late to have anything other than a Trump-Biden rematch up next year. The time for suggesting an alternative to Biden Is over. Only the Republican primaries can stop Trump from getting the nomination again and that doesn't look likely.

If there are future elections here, shaping the 2028 presidential election begins right after Inauguration Day, if it hasn't already, and the winner will ultimately be decided in no small part by the performance of the president in office then.

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RE: Which Democrat should challenge Olde Joe Biden - 11/26/2023 10:48:56 AM

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The Pandemic sums up Trump perfectly. He was playing golf after the first 100,000 corpses weren't even cold. 2 million plus died.

Did Jared get security clearance - wasn't aware. I don't think Ivanka did not sure why with her. Trump should never have got security clearance.

How someone got there is important. Doubly so with people like Trump and unhinged madmen of the dictator variety. And this is his third attempt.

When are your first 5 republican primaries. You are caught in a dream and it wont happen. I think its Iowa so when is that one?

I view America as being on a precipice.

If it is worth anything to you I hope Biden makes it to 2024 but thinking like that is a dangerous game and you need to overlook the fact I am telling all no way that man should be running.

If I had a straight choice between Biden and Trump I would vote for Biden even if he was senile.

When you are Scottish JVoV we have options. A story for another time.

America has had ample time to go beyond a two party system and yet it hasn't. I am guessing you have around 2%. That 2% will make or break those two in the handful of swing states that really matter in an America election.

Any reason I am not seeing the Orange Idiot in the debates?

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