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bi-male experiences .... - 12/11/2004 9:02:25 PM   
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Gotta ask .... any male subs in here ever been forced to service another male? Serious (and real) answers and experiences please.

And for the Misresses .... if you require a male sub to perform forced-bi, and he refuses, does this make him not really submissive, but rather, a bottom?

Inquiring minds want to know. Well ... at least what is left of my mind.
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RE: bi-male experiences .... - 12/11/2004 11:04:26 PM   
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RE: bi-male experiences .... - 12/26/2004 5:03:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is an area She has wanted to explore.... the thought terrifies and repulses me. Could or do those things happen, I dont know... would like to hear about other couple's experiences.

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RE: bi-male experiences .... - 12/26/2004 7:05:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		It doesn't make him "non- submissive" it makes him "non consentual".. There is a big difference!. I have found that with the right motivation very few will refuse to do something if they sincerely know in thier heart that it is pleaseing to the Mistress and that the Mistress truly enjoys it and is turned on by it. If a sub is confident of those thing, and they are rewarded and cherished for doing such, then in MY opinion there is very little hesitation.

In MY opinion, the biggest mistake most commonly made by Mistress's in regards to this subject is NOT cherishing the sub and letting him know that he has pleased you for doing such. All to often I see Mistress's use it as simply a form of degradation and humiliation, and weaken the subs self esteem, instead of letting him know that his act is endearing they often turn it into an act of replusion, and no sub that I intentionally wants to be repulsive to his or her Mistress. So in regard to this act, its sucess, in MY opinion lies with the response of the Mistress.

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RE: bi-male experiences .... - 12/28/2004 3:00:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Can it be "forced" if you crave it?

Alas, no, I've not been with a Domme who's had another male there to service. I've been seeking such a scenario for a while. In the meantime I've tried to serve several male Doms but most of them have turned out to just be guys who like fellatio-on-demand.

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RE: bi-male experiences .... - 12/28/2004 8:12:30 PM   
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guys who like fellatio-on-demand.

Let's be real here ... that's all men !!!

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RE: bi-male experiences .... - 12/30/2004 5:16:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		As Ms. Eden stated, it is more of an issue of her pleasure. My wife has stated it in such terms.. it is what she wants, wants to see happen, wants to experience my response.

It is clear that it is going to be an inevitable part of our journey, and perhaps quite soon. I think i know She has someone in mind. And I know the knowledge of my fear is very pleasing to her.

I would like to find out more from those placed into that experience, and dealing with my thughts and emotions to come.

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RE: bi-male experiences .... - 12/30/2004 7:29:37 PM   
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Although I don't know where your marriage is at ... nor at what level of submission you're living ... you will be ingesting (more than likely) the fluids of another male if this happen. You have the right (and your Wife/Domme has the obligation) to ensure that he's clean and disease free.

Without ruining the surprise aspect, I would tell your wife that you love her, are committed to your relationship and want to please her, but that if she ever decides to bring 'someone else' into the scene, then to please ensure both your safety and hers.

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RE: bi-male experiences .... - 12/30/2004 7:33:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: alwayzron



Gotta ask .... any male subs in here ever been forced to service another male? Serious (and real) answers and experiences please.


it's only happened once, but yes, i was 'forced' to suck another man's cock for a Domme's viewing enjoyment...i loved being taken totally out of my comfort zone for Her pleasure...in the right circumstances, i'd love to do that again for a Domme who would want that....or more.


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RE: bi-male experiences .... - 12/30/2004 8:18:18 PM   
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RE: bi-male experiences .... - 1/1/2005 6:59:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: alwayzron



Gotta ask .... any male subs in here ever been forced to service another male? Serious (and real) answers and experiences please.

And for the Misresses .... if you require a male sub to perform forced-bi, and he refuses, does this make him not really submissive, but rather, a bottom?

Inquiring minds want to know. Well ... at least what is left of my mind.


He refuses? Never...wouldn't be acceptable. It is listed always as something that interests Me so a slave who doesn't fathom this could be a very real experience when with Me is an idiot.

Jasmyn

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RE: bi-male experiences .... - 3/16/2006 9:54:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		yes i have been forced to service another male but there are things i draw the line at i wouldnt do his ass nor would i let him in mine i have no problem sucking a cock now but to have a man fuc$ me is not going to happen i enjoy my Ma'am to do that now i could be talked into it mybe if my Ma'am told me that she really wants this that this would please her and i would give her pleasure but as of yet i have not heard this from her lips so i say no if that ever comes up.

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RE: bi-male experiences .... - 3/16/2006 10:25:51 AM   
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I have found that with the right motivation very few will refuse to do something if they sincerely know in thier heart that it is pleaseing to the Mistress and that the Mistress truly enjoys it and is turned on by it.


I think you are right on here. I have not had the 'forced-bi' experience myself, nor would I seek it out. However, for the right woman, if it was something that would truly arouse her, I would have to consider it.

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RE: bi-male experiences .... - 3/16/2006 2:21:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		How is a guy "forced" to do anything he doesn't really deep down want to do anyway?

If you really were forced, that would be sexual assault, and a crime, and a brother and sister would be going to jail.

Face it, the only male submissives who are "forced" into a homosexual act, really are Bi or Bi-curious, or ambivilent to begin with, or sexually assaulted.

For the record, I don't have a problem with Bi or gay guys or women, and if it's your fantasy to be "forced" to suck a dick, more power to you.

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RE: bi-male experiences .... - 3/16/2006 3:46:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		i agree with subrob. Sometimes submissives say they like being forced to do things they dont want to...but that is just it..they are consenting to be forced in that situation. If they are being forced into something they dont want to do really and truely that amounts to assault or abuse.

There really is no such thing as a slave in our society and I cant get my head around any arguement that says otherwise. We have been brought into a free society, no one is owned, no one is bought and sold, everyone is entering into these Dominant and submissive relationships by *choice*...unless they are invovled in some illegal activity.

Saying that, people do truely have Dominant and submissive feelings, that part is real and true..the words we use are just words that we like when it all comes down to it. There is no true slave or true submissive, there is no rule, there is no list of "what you must do and be and say" that assesses whether you are real or not or makes you more or less a real submissive than any other person. People come together, they make agreements for their relationship, if they have been smart in choosing their partner the Dominant and submissive dynamic can be amazing, the possibility of exploring the depths of what Domination(Mastery) and submissiveness (slavery) is awesome. People can and do get incredible feelings of coming home to themselves, touching the most intimate part of themselves.....but how you get there...how you explore is a choice made with a compatable partner.

No one can answer that question for you...but you and your Mistress...based on the dynamics between you.

Addition: I just thought of something else. People can put themselves into headspaces, its kinda like the theory of "Whatever you focus on becomes larger"..so when a submissive submits, very deeply, it can appear they have no choice, a choice can be pretty much impossible to see..after all thats the whole dynamic we are feeding by being in a Dominant and submissive relationship...One Dominates...one submits..the deeper that goes...the sense of choice for a submissive personality is actually lost....well unless they are holding back some control...and for some thats fine...and their choice...

I can really understand when people say "I have no choice but to submit" ...I can understand and relate to when people say " I'm a slave/submissive and my Master/Mistress has asked me to do something I really dont want to do...and I feel so bad or guilty or like a shit assed submissive feeling this way..cuz I really just want to obey and please.."....I think in those cases the Dominants responsbility role comes into play....they have to be the one who chooses for both...and that decision should be based around whats good for both...taking lots of things into consideration emotionally/mentally/physically.

So again, its got nothing to do with you being a bad submissive, or whether you are a bottom, or submissive or slave or whatever, the feelings you are feeling is cuz you are in a submissive dilemma..one which your Mistress should take control of for Her and your best interest.

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RE: bi-male experiences .... - 3/16/2006 4:53:20 PM   
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How is a guy "forced" to do anything he doesn't really deep down want to do anyway?

If you really were forced, that would be sexual assault, and a crime, and a brother and sister would be going to jail.

Face it, the only male submissives who are "forced" into a homosexual act, really are Bi or Bi-curious, or ambivilent to begin with, or sexually assaulted.


No need to whack at the straw man.

If the issue hadn't come up before and the sub didn't expect it from his domme, and if the domme insisted, perhaps as a condition of a continued relationship, then it could, in that way, be "forced." In other words, a lot of pressure could be applied, and the alternative to complying could be very unattractive. No it's not truly forced, and hardly any sub who talks about "forced" bi really means sexual assault.



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RE: bi-male experiences .... - 3/16/2006 5:02:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

How is a guy "forced" to do anything he doesn't really deep down want to do anyway?

If you really were forced, that would be sexual assault, and a crime, and a brother and sister would be going to jail.

Face it, the only male submissives who are "forced" into a homosexual act, really are Bi or Bi-curious, or ambivilent to begin with, or sexually assaulted.

For the record, I don't have a problem with Bi or gay guys or women, and if it's your fantasy to be "forced" to suck a dick, more power to you.


I wouldn't say that "forced" = "you really want to" or it has to be "abuse"

I can force my sub to eat brussel sprouts. That doesn't mean that he really wants to eat them. It means he knows its not harmful to him and it pleases me. I hardly think forcing him to eat brussel sprouts is abuse.

As for "forced bi" or "forced homosexuality".. its not the same as brussel sprouts I know.. but its the same kind of deal. Some people understand that doing that activity isn't harmful to themselves and its pleasing to their Dominant. Does that make them secretly bi-sexual? No.

My ex-Master... Even though women are on my "hard limit" list.. I could have probably/eventually been talked into kissing a girl should he have really really wanted me to.. Would I have enjoyed it myself? No. Does the idea of kissing a girl turn me on? No, actually the thought is distasteful to me. Would I have kissed that girl with all the passion I could muster? Oh hell yes.. I'd have made it the most passionate scene you could imagine.. Why? Because I would want to glance over and see his huge hard on, his big smile.. and know that he was pleased with me.

Quite frankly, I'd approach it about the same as doing the laundry..

As for forcing someone to do something against their will.. that will cause them emotional or physical damage.. well that is abuse. These limits should be stated in the begining of the relationship and respected by the Dominant.

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RE: bi-male experiences .... - 3/16/2006 5:16:25 PM   
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Some people understand that doing that activity isn't harmful to themselves and its pleasing to their Dominant. Does that make them secretly bi-sexual? No.


EXACTLY.

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RE: bi-male experiences .... - 3/16/2006 7:29:38 PM   
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I wouldn't say that "forced" = "you really want to" or it has to be "abuse"

I can force my sub to eat brussel sprouts. That doesn't mean that he really wants to eat them. It means he knows its not harmful to him and it pleases me. I hardly think forcing him to eat brussel sprouts is abuse.

As for "forced bi" or "forced homosexuality".. its not the same as brussel sprouts I know.. but its the same kind of deal. Some people understand that doing that activity isn't harmful to themselves and its pleasing to their Dominant. Does that make them secretly bi-sexual? No.

My ex-Master... Even though women are on my "hard limit" list.. I could have probably/eventually been talked into kissing a girl should he have really really wanted me to.. Would I have enjoyed it myself? No. Does the idea of kissing a girl turn me on? No, actually the thought is distasteful to me. Would I have kissed that girl with all the passion I could muster? Oh hell yes.. I'd have made it the most passionate scene you could imagine.. Why? Because I would want to glance over and see his huge hard on, his big smile.. and know that he was pleased with me.

Quite frankly, I'd approach it about the same as doing the laundry..

As for forcing someone to do something against their will.. that will cause them emotional or physical damage.. well that is abuse. These limits should be stated in the begining of the relationship and respected by the Dominant.



If you physically forced a brussel sprout down his throat, thats abuse, and assault. If he eats them to please you even thou he hates them thats ambivilance, thats the difference.

I believe there are two sets of limits...
Comfort limits, which are limits stated that change over time, like pain tolerance.

And...
Hard Limits, which remain in place thruought the relationship...Regardless of what the other party in the relationship wants.

If My Domme wanted me to toilet train, NOTHING she could do would make me change my hard limit , and if she decided to use me as a human toilet while I was bound, then the trust would be gone and relationship would be over.

Same with males or females being coerced into same sex contact, if it's a hard limit, no amount of coersion will change the sub's mind, if it's a comfort limit, or ambiviliance towards same sex contact, then pushing the limit, might be considered "forced", but not in my mind.

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RE: bi-male experiences .... - 3/16/2006 7:47:02 PM   
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