BDSM and Bi-Polar (depression) issues --- compatibility ??!!

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FreDOM -> BDSM and Bi-Polar (depression) issues --- compatibility ??!! (8/1/2006 10:44:25 AM)
Please help me with inputs regarding your direct or second-hand experience with BDSM compatibility issues when facing bi-polar and/or depression and personality disorders. Specifically, my new (and sweet) submissive feel conflicted with her symptoms and how BDSM fits into her overall framework. Your inputs are appreciated. Cheers, Ted

enigmabrat -> RE: BDSM and Bi-Polar (depression) issues --- compatibility ??!! (8/1/2006 10:46:56 AM)
I happen to be bipoler... really honestly one and the other effect eachother but are seperate issues.. a bipoler sub may need a bit more care then a non bipoler sub but then again a bipoler in any relationship needs a bit more care.. if she manages it it shouldnt really be a problem if it isnt managed then get it managed or you will go no were good very fast trust me

dincubus -> RE: BDSM and Bi-Polar (depression) issues --- compatibility ??!! (8/1/2006 10:50:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: enigmabrat I happen to be bipoler... really honestly one and the other effect eachother but are seperate issues.. a bipoler sub may need a bit more care then a non bipoler sub but then again a bipoler in any relationship needs a bit more care.. if she manages it it shouldnt really be a problem if it isnt managed then get it managed or you will go no were good very fast trust me I identify as Dom and I am bipolar... there are issues outside of my control that make things interesting... oh well. I try to manage as best i can

enigmabrat -> RE: BDSM and Bi-Polar (depression) issues --- compatibility ??!! (8/1/2006 10:52:02 AM)
deffinetly Sir Bipoler has nothing to do with if your Dom or sub and while I see my bipoler to be rather undercontroll it still is rather uncontrollabel however I remeber when it was totaly out of controll and at that point any relationship is non productive

Homestead -> RE: BDSM and Bi-Polar (depression) issues --- compatibility ??!! (8/1/2006 10:53:55 AM)
All depends on how you are managing it-if you can.

MasterRoissey -> RE: BDSM and Bi-Polar (depression) issues --- compatibility ??!! (8/1/2006 10:59:42 AM)
Being bipolar in and of it self , may not effect a power exchange relationship any more that it might a vanilla one. Managing your illness and a higher degreee of solid communication between partners is essential. I strongly advise either discussing this with your primary healthcare provider, or finding a "kink friendly" physcian as well. My biggest concern is not the depression , so much as if you shift into a psychotic state . This could be extremely perilous whether sub or Dom.

MasterFireMaam -> RE: BDSM and Bi-Polar (depression) issues --- compatibility ??!! (8/1/2006 11:00:24 AM)
While you can encourage her to seek therapy and help her establish good coping mechanisms, you shouldn't take on the role of therapist, even if you are one. If she is having symptoms, send her to a psychiatrist for proper meds and a psychologist for proper therapy. Don't use BDSM to "treat" the symptoms. While this might actually have the desired affect, it ultimately isn't an answer because it's not a coping mechanism she can use on herself and she needs to be able to do that in order to stand on her own. As for how symptoms and BDSM can affect each other, when I experience a drop from a scene or interaction, it can seem like a depressive cycle. I take care of myself in positive ways at this time in the same way I do when I'm in an actual depressive cycle. The same holds true for the manic cycle. Master Fire

SusanofO -> RE: BDSM and Bi-Polar (depression) issues --- compatibility ??!! (8/1/2006 11:09:44 AM)
I take a relatively high dose of anti-depressants for unipolar severe depression on a daily basis, and will be doing so for the rest of my life, probably. Because I've found a great medication that works for me, it hasn't affected my relationships at all in any negative way. It took a few years to find said medication, though. Also, mine is a completely biochemical depression, and as such, I've required no counselling therapy, etc., which maybe is slightly unusual (I am not sure, really). It simply isn't a problem for me. At all, anymore, really - and hasn't been for years now. I remember the beginnning, though - and that was a complete and unqualified nightmare (of course, it was the late 1970's, and "treatment" for depression in general was not as out in the open, or as advanced, as it is today) . If she is just starting to seek proper treatment for this, try to be honest with yourself about whether you are up for the entire ballgame here; it can be a _itch, but that depends on what's happening, of course. But, nothing can help destroy someone faster than abandonment can, when they are going through this (my opinion only). **You might want to consider going to a counselling session with her, just to get an inside view (if she is receiving therapy, and if the therapist will allow that). Or, getting "family counselling" that would help both of you to deal with it. Not completely necessary (as it is, bottom-line, her issue to deal with). But, it might be worth a session or two (worth considering, anyway). Of course, (my opionion) she needs to be honestly wanting treatment, and from what you say she is trying to deal with her illness. And you are trying to be understanding. Kudos to you. Keep up the good work. - Susan

DoctorDubious -> RE: BDSM and Bi-Polar (depression) issues --- compatibility ??!! (8/1/2006 11:46:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SusanofO ugh. *Also, mine is a completely biochemical depression, and as such, I've required no counselling therapy, etc., which maybe is slightly unusual* (I am not sure, really). **You might want to consider going to a counselling session with her, just to get an inside view (if she is receiving therapy, and if the therapist will allow that). Or, getting "family counselling" that would help both of you to deal with it. Not completely necessary (as it is, bottom-line, her issue to deal with). But, it might be worth a session or two (worth considering, anyway). - Susan Hey Susan, FreDom.... and all.... Talking therapies are not all that successful with unipolar depression, so S's situation is the more common one.... serotonin drugs are usually best. Family therapy, however, with a skilled therapist, can sometimes be very effective and helpful. If the woman in question has a clinical diagnosis of Bipolar Disorder, either type I or type II, a talking therapy might help a tiny bit, but healing the deeper depressions of bipolar people is like welding aluminum... ........ it's the most challenging of all. BDSM and love relations of any kind are not really related to the chemical inbalances of a clinically diagnosed case of Bipolar..... .... they are two different, overlapping, areas of life. If she gets really sick, get her some professional help of the highest quality. DD

SusanofO -> RE: BDSM and Bi-Polar (depression) issues --- compatibility ??!! (8/1/2006 11:57:49 AM)
Doctor D is, in fact, a real doctor (Ph.,d), so you can trust his advice, btw, in that sense. And I think he's had some very valuable insights on this (and many other) topics. - Susan

sleazybutterfly -> RE: BDSM and Bi-Polar (depression) issues --- compatibility ??!! (8/1/2006 12:04:05 PM)
We all deal with things in our own way. Maybe her having the crap beat out of her, takes the place of another more destructive behavior. I have bipolar.. it is part of my life..before bdsm..and as long as I choose to be on this earth, it will still be there haunting me. If this is something that is truely upsetting to her, she does need to find help. It is best she finds a bdsm friendly one though, or it's likely they will attempt to talk her out of her lifestyle or..just put her away drug her up and be done with it.

DoctorDubious -> RE: BDSM and Bi-Polar (depression) issues --- compatibility ??!! (8/1/2006 1:14:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SusanofO Doctor D is, in fact, a real doctor (Ph.,d), so you can trust his advice, btw, in that sense. And I think he's had some very valuable insights on this (and many other) topics. - Susan Well.... I think *all 'dem degrees expired quite a while ago*... and I'm genuinely dubious in lotsa things.... .... and though I take depression and BPD etc quite seriously, ya gotta watch out for the jokes on most of the other threads... DD

raiken -> RE: BDSM and Bi-Polar (depression) issues --- compatibility ??!! (8/1/2006 1:25:48 PM)
i also know that changes in diet and nutrition, combined with excercise help to return the imbalances to a more natural state, one that gets easier to manage over time. Regenerative holistic alternative remedies such as supplemental herbs and certain nutrients and enzymes also help. There are many alternatives that can be tried. ~raiken

justheather -> RE: BDSM and Bi-Polar (depression) issues --- compatibility ??!! (8/1/2006 1:29:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: raiken i also know that changes in diet and nutrition, combined with excercise help to return the imbalances to a more natural state, one that gets easier to manage over time. Regenerative holistic alternative remedies such as supplemental herbs and certain nutrients and enzymes also help. There are many alternatives that can be tried. ~raiken Im so glad someone mentioned this. Physical activity and good nutrition can be crucial in restoring a healthy state of being, whether or not they are used in conjunction with pharmaceuticals. Also, alternative therapies such as massage therapy, acupuncture and acupressure are instrumental in many people's management of their psychiatric or psychological dis-ease.

Sunshine119 -> RE: BDSM and Bi-Polar (depression) issues --- compatibility ??!! (8/1/2006 1:32:46 PM)
I wouldn't worry about Bi-Polar Disorder or a Depressive Disorder if they were well controlled (usually using a drug therapy) however, I wouldn't get within 50 feet of someone with a Personality Disorder. There are currently no medications out there that have clinical trial successes nor are people with PDs often helped through therapy. People with Personality Disorders are often dangerous to themselves or others AND are highly dangerous, toxic people to be around.

SusanofO -> RE: BDSM and Bi-Polar (depression) issues --- compatibility ??!! (8/1/2006 1:45:59 PM)
Doctor: Okay. But you needn't be modest. Youa re pretty smart, after all. - Susan

SusanofO -> RE: BDSM and Bi-Polar (depression) issues --- compatibility ??!! (8/1/2006 1:49:20 PM)
Sunshine: Re: personality disorders. I do tend to agree with you. Unfortunately, for those affected (Borderline personality disorder, for some reason, comes to mind here, maybe because it can tend to make the person afflicted, so I've read, very self-destructive and leave alot of mess re: Other people's lives in its wake), it's not usually their own fault. But they live with it, nonetheless (unfortunately, there aren't any cures, although therapy sometimes can help, I've heard). Completely untreated, it is a real pain in the ass to be around. And some (Anti-social personality disorder "sociopath") are not very treatable at all, it seems. - Susan

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