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RE: What is the Difference? - 8/1/2006 7:58:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's really very simple.... a "slave" is a sub who identifies as a slave, and a "submissive" is a slave who identifies as a submissive.
All the rest is personal definitions, there is no hard and fast definition, if you call yourself a slave, and your dominant considers you a slave, then you are a slave.

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RE: What is the Difference? - 8/1/2006 8:00:14 PM   
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i can't blame you for being as you say "jaded" on the word slave.  i don't like the word either, or many of the ideals or concepts behind it, now i have even more reason not to like the term.  my ex called me his slave and i tried to live  up to his expectations for far too many years. It wasn't all bad but i wouldn't do it over again.  And i will never agree to be called anyones slave ever again, my experiences i am sure didn't even come close to what your friends experienced.  i was very naieve back then, a know a little more now then i did then, but i still have so much more to learn. 

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RE: What is the Difference? - 8/1/2006 8:03:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		The differences that I have seen is the limitations, trust, connection and mindset. With all of that throw in a healthy dose of choice. A submissive has boundaries. Has rights to their opinions, thoughts, what happens to them, can negotiate, have control over whatever they chose to do so. At the same time, they are more responsible for their actions and protection. A Dominant that agrees to enter into a contract after negotiations only has a certain amount of responsibility that is set in place for them. For a slave, that slave makes the choice to trust that person they are with, whole heartedly, to give over everything about them if that is what is negotiated with their contract. I have seen slaves that have signed contracts that have given over possession of their homes, cars and so forth. Most of them give over their rights to make choices, therefore leaving the Dominant with total responsibility for them. Now maybe TOTAL isn't the correct word. Because the slave still has choices and responsibilities. Unless the Dominant like to micromanage. I own a slave and have a submissive. Their relationships are quite different. Their boundaries are different. My responsibility to them is different.

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RE: What is the Difference? - 8/1/2006 8:03:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		my take is slightly different, recently observing myself and realizing that i have went from submissive to slave...i looked at submissive as an early stage of slavery...that as they grow in their nature they take on more slave qualities...now i realize that i am defining something by using the very words that i am trying to define.....submissive is the beginning stages of slavery....or maybe....in a way its like this
 
you have eggs, flour, and all the other yummy stuff....and that is submissive...and when they all get mixed together and baked...that is slavery.
 
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RE: What is the Difference? - 8/1/2006 8:06:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cheshireboy

my take is slightly different, recently observing myself and realizing that i have went from submissive to slave...i looked at submissive as an early stage of slavery...that as they grow in their nature they take on more slave qualities...now i realize that i am defining something by using the very words that i am trying to define.....submissive is the beginning stages of slavery....or maybe....in a way its like this
 
you have eggs, flour, and all the other yummy stuff....and that is submissive...and when they all get mixed together and baked...that is slavery.
 
cheshire
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i don't agree at all - i think they are two entirely different mindsets.  a sub doesn't "grow" into a slave. 

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RE: What is the Difference? - 8/1/2006 8:12:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		i understand you not agreeing, which is the best thing about perception, they don't have to match up. for me i realized in the beginning i still wanted more say in everything and anything, and through the course of events i realzed that i savored giving more of that freedom up...and willing do to things that normally would be considered a hard limit now without a problem...so in my perception of the ideas there is a progression, but i do respect that you don't agree with them.
 
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RE: What is the Difference? - 8/1/2006 8:28:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cheshireboy

i understand you not agreeing, which is the best thing about perception, they don't have to match up. for me i realized in the beginning i still wanted more say in everything and anything, and through the course of events i realzed that i savored giving more of that freedom up...and willing do to things that normally would be considered a hard limit now without a problem...so in my perception of the ideas there is a progression, but i do respect that you don't agree with them.
 
cheshire


I agree with your take cheshire. Most owners would tell you that slaves are made-not born.

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RE: What is the Difference? - 8/1/2006 8:38:34 PM   
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I would take the time for a sub and me to get to know each other first.
I would only Collar her if we both agreed and after quite some time, say 6 months to a year.
To me anyway a Collar is a symbol of ownership.
I don't "own" a sub.

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RE: What is the Difference? - 8/1/2006 9:17:58 PM   
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RE: What is the Difference? - 8/2/2006 11:27:59 AM   
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< Message edited by OsideGirl -- 8/2/2006 11:30:15 AM >

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RE: What is the Difference? - 8/2/2006 11:29:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BenignPlague

Generally, submissives have more limits that slaves, and tend to be less 24/7, from what I've seen.



I'm an owned and collared 24/7/365 submissive. Your label doesn't fit me.


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RE: What is the Difference? - 8/2/2006 11:33:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		To me a submissive is a person who has a submissive nature.  They may or may not be submissive to another.

A slave is one who is owned and claimed.  I do not believe someone can be a slave without having an Owner/Master/Mistress/Dominant.

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RE: What is the Difference? - 8/2/2006 3:43:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WhiteRadiance
A slave is one who is owned and claimed.  I do not believe someone can be a slave without having an Owner/Master/Mistress/Dominant.

I haven't given my own personal definition in a long time, but figured I'd go for it.

For me, submissive = one who is oriented and fulfilled by a personal intimate relationship in which day-to-day authority in life is transferred to another who takes responsibility for that authority.

Slave = one who is oriented and fulfilled by a personal intimate relationship in which all ultimate authority is transferred to another who takes responsibility for that authority

Neither of those definitions has anything to do with being IN a relationship at all- it is simply the relationship in which they are oriented towards and fulfilled by.  For me a slave can be an unowned slave.

A persons orientation is not dependent upon what particular relationship they are or are not involved in at any particular time.

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RE: What is the Difference? - 8/2/2006 5:24:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: toptobottom

Hi A/all.
i was wondering how others might define the terms submissive verus slave. One of the  Dommes i have spoken to said it is really a matter of choice, mostly on the subs part. Perhaps it is how the subs sees themselves?
Just wanted some input if at all possible.
thanks


I think you will find many opinions on this.

Mine is that a slave lives with Me and wears some type of collar,is branded and has tats that indicate she is very much taken,its a matter of a deeper devotion to some extent.

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RE: What is the Difference? - 8/2/2006 5:46:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cheshireboy

my take is slightly different, recently observing myself and realizing that i have went from submissive to slave...i looked at submissive as an early stage of slavery...that as they grow in their nature they take on more slave qualities...now i realize that i am defining something by using the very words that i am trying to define.....submissive is the beginning stages of slavery....or maybe....in a way its like this
 
you have eggs, flour, and all the other yummy stuff....and that is submissive...and when they all get mixed together and baked...that is slavery.


Cheshire...  I like this analogy very much.  It kind of reminds me of my journey with my Master.  As we grew with each other, the trust increased as did my willingness to hand over my limits to Him, and trust that He would not abuse that trust, which He never has.  He has stretched my limits that I thought were hard, and now there are many other things that we enjoy together as a result.

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wears some type of collar,is branded and has tats that indicate she is very much taken,its a matter of a deeper devotion to some extent.


This is also true for my Master and I.

Other relationships will vary, but these to seemed similar to the one I have.  Also, Master defines the two very simply for us...  as a submissive, I defined the limits...  as a slave, He does. 



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RE: What is the Difference? - 8/2/2006 9:23:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Sub for Hire,
 
> I basically agree with Dark.  In the pre internet days I saw slaves killed. 
> They were property and nothing much else.

Is this really true, it would be the first time I heard of such a thing.
 
Yes, there have been a few cases where an unwitting partner met
some new guy who turned out to be a murderer, but I have only
heard one or two such cases.

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RE: What is the Difference? - 8/3/2006 12:04:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: toptobottom

Hi A/all.
i was wondering how others might define the terms submissive verus slave. One of the  Dommes i have spoken to said it is really a matter of choice, mostly on the subs part. Perhaps it is how the subs sees themselves?
Just wanted some input if at all possible.
thanks


eh for me a sub has the option of saying no (safeword) a slave does not.

Define it for yourself then live by it or change your definition as you go (or don't allow yourself that option if that's what you want). Find players (person of suitable enjoyable/miserable activities) to match.

D (owner of j).

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