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RE: Re-channeling undesirable behavior and gauging pote... - 8/3/2006 12:23:51 PM   
Homestead


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Homestead, I just figured I'd offer him some suggestions to maybe, "help out" in a way.

Many people here have tried, with the end result being the same level of success you've gotten.  There was one glimmer of hope earlier this year when after much encouragement, he actually went to a munch.  It looked like things were finally moving forward for him but as you can see from his latest posts, he's back to square one again and blaming everyone but himself for the position he finds himself in. 

He's at the point where he needs to buck up and help himself, but that's not going to happen until he gets tired of riding his pity pony.  It doesn't appear as though that's going to happen any time soon.

~stef


The best way we can help him is to ignore the attention he gets on the computer, and force him out the door. He's looking for validation of his denial in this- and any attention, good or bad will do just that.

If you really care, shut him down here. Make him find his outlet where he'll actually have a chance.

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RE: Re-channeling undesirable behavior and gauging pote... - 8/3/2006 12:26:37 PM   
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Homestead, I'm fairly new in here and wasn't aware of all that.
I think you're right.
Michael, as they say in Ireland, "Get on yer Bike!"

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RE: Re-channeling undesirable behavior and gauging pote... - 8/3/2006 12:31:09 PM   
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And I'm putting mike in mine.

I'm sure the fun will all be on my end.

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RE: Re-channeling undesirable behavior and gauging pote... - 8/3/2006 12:32:26 PM   
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Homestead, I'm fairly new in here and wasn't aware of all that.
I think you're right.
Michael, as they say in Ireland, "Get on yer Bike!"


Let's quit enabling him now, there are better things to do.

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RE: Re-channeling undesirable behavior and gauging pote... - 8/3/2006 12:32:38 PM   
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LMAO!

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RE: Re-channeling undesirable behavior and gauging pote... - 8/3/2006 12:34:58 PM   
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now that i've put steph, popeye and homstead in the idiot box (i.e. ignore) maybe i can get past the freaking bashing and start to feel alittle better.

Yes, blame everyone else again.  Look how far it's gotten you!

~stef

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RE: Re-channeling undesirable behavior and gauging pote... - 8/3/2006 12:39:44 PM   
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NOS!  i want to enable the habit!  Lets all drink and be merry!

Michael.  i'm OFFENDED.  Here i am, sitting around, responding to nabs waiting for you to REPLY to me, to fill up my "needs attention" meter and you go and IGNORE me. 

dude wheres the car?  AND on TOP of that!  You dun even say nuttin happy!  You go and blabber MORE negative shit and THEN tell me to read it.  Didnt i tell u to stay away from the purple crack?  Bad fer u man.. Trust!

:: sigh :: You know i would go like run of and do a strip tease on cam, but my lil man over in cali is still sleeping.  Whattta scrub!

jokes!  Seriously.. believe my lying eyes.. i'm ONLY joking!  i dun do strip teases and i dun have some one that keeps me up all hours of the night laughing my ass off.

Der Michael!  Smile bout that!  Me doing a strip tease in a VERY short skirt, where my ass is like hanging out.. on cam.

<wicked grin>


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RE: Re-channeling undesirable behavior and gauging pote... - 8/3/2006 12:41:52 PM   
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i'm not ignoring you...just a few others.


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RE: Re-channeling undesirable behavior and gauging pote... - 8/3/2006 12:42:31 PM   
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The blame game = )

i want to blame Stef fer calling me Malaria and not some other really mean shit - so i was able to be convinced and ordered back to C.com

Its all yer fault for not like really being "good" at being a bitch = )


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RE: Re-channeling undesirable behavior and gauging pote... - 8/3/2006 12:45:14 PM   
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Michael you suck!  Say something else damn it.

You will say something happy!  Respond properly to me or i'll be forced to put you on yer knees and slice yer nub off and add it to my collection in the freezer.

Sheesh.. here i'm being playful, silly, happy and all u's can do is smile?  Dun piss me off boy!  You keep spouting negative shit and i wont talk to u anymore. 

dun want negative shit in my life.  So fucking be happy or drink a coke and DEN be happy

Damn dude.. catch the VIBE..


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RE: Re-channeling undesirable behavior and gauging pote... - 8/3/2006 12:47:45 PM   
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let me chill down abit after the recent bashing and i'll get back to you on that...

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RE: Re-channeling undesirable behavior and gauging pote... - 8/3/2006 12:48:07 PM   
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Ignored? Good!
Now go to your room and sulk, Mr Droopy Draws!

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RE: Re-channeling undesirable behavior and gauging pote... - 8/3/2006 12:53:52 PM   
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How long do you think he'll be able to stand not being replied to?

Shall a few more of us iggy him, and take bets?

In any case, we really do need to get back on topic. The above example shows what happens with the denial state. One simply cannot work with a fixed state of dissonace from reality. When repeated pleas for reason and rationality fail, one must often simply walk away.

In a way, I guess that this can be seen as a self-filter. The subject demonstrates that the potential for positive change is nil-and that one should move onto a more promising prospect.

< Message edited by Homestead -- 8/3/2006 1:02:23 PM >

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RE: Re-channeling undesirable behavior and gauging pote... - 8/3/2006 1:35:03 PM   
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i want to blame Stef fer calling me Malaria

I believe what I said was you were like malaria, as it never really goes away forever. 

~stef

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RE: Re-channeling undesirable behavior and gauging pote... - 8/3/2006 1:37:08 PM   
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i want to blame Stef fer calling me Malaria

I believe what I said was you were like malaria, as it never really goes away forever. 

~stef


Now I trust my instincts in unhesitating and  immediate use of the blocking feature, much more. Thank you stef!

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RE: Re-channeling undesirable behavior and gauging pote... - 8/3/2006 2:14:50 PM   
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I remember reading about how Dominants (or Dommes) sometimes re-channel what they consider negative behavior in their submissives and am wondering if anyone has examples regarding how they have accomplished this. I am not talking about punishing the submissive, I am thinking in terms of guiding them to what would be considered by a Dominant to be a better outlet for that behavior. 

For instance, say a submissive talks too much, maybe he'd suggest she seek a job in sales, or where greeting people and making conversation with them is considered an great asset, or decide she is more of the hostess person if they have a relationship where they ever entertain other people, etc. 

I realize there are Dominants who just don't accept submissives who engage in behavior X, Y or Z to begin with, but I am not referring here to deal-breaking behavior, just that which might be either mildly annoying to a Dominant, or behavior he simply sees as being put to better use elsewhere.
 

Well, I tried answering this when you first posted and my reply got lost...too much time to type it I guess as that is what the board said...lost connection.  So...I guess I try and type faster this time. 

You asked for examples.  Here we go:  I am a fairly organized person.  I think a lot of it has to do with the way I was raised, serving in the military, rigors of college, demands of my profession, etc.  It also seems to fit in well with dominant behavior...the whole control-of-self thing.  I have always kept the books in my business and have always had them in order before they were given over to the accountant.  My appointment book is scheduled such that I have as much time for one patient as I do for another.  While I was married, I kept the checking account and savings account records and all other records organized.  In my closet, my clothes are organized with an adaptation of the military way to my own civilian version.   My books are organized according to general  type and author so that I can go to a specific area and find what I want.  The same with my C.D.s..  ~grins~   My ex called it anal.  Like I said...organized.  
I've related on other threads that there is a female dominant out there who was once my submissive.  Now, at home, this submissive kept her life and her husband's organized.  She kept him on schedule and made sure he always made his business appts. on time.  One time, she came to visit me.  After a couple of days off to spend with her, I had to return to work.  I came home that evening to find that my personal files had been organized and that she had rearranged my closet into what she felt was a more suitable arrangement.  I sat her down, thanked her for the effort and then reminded her that I had not asked/told her to do this and that she was well aware of my dislike of people getting into my stuff without asking.   I noted that many people are not fond of someone doing something like this without it being cleared with them first.   Especially people who others considered to be fairly organized.  Chastened, she apologized.  I accepted.  We moved on.  The next day, she asked if she could come to work with me and I said "sure" since my secretary had taken some time off to deal with some family issues.  We went to work, I explained to her how to answer the phones and deal with making appointments and then, showed her how to put patient paperwork into the files and where to file them.  I left her alone and returned to the front and the first patient.  At the end of the day, we headed home.  Went to work the second day.  At the lunch break, she told me to come on back to the file room.  My files...organized my way (alphabetical only) were now color-coded, grouped into what type of patient they were, and date of onset of latest visits...oh, and alphabetized within those groups.  I took a deep breath, smiled and told her that it was nice of her to try and surprise me...then told her to put them back to the way they were.  Told her we weren't leaving until it was done.  She looked a bit stunned but she did so.
When we got home that night, I asked her if she knew why I had done what I had done.  She thought about it and then, with a wry smile, she said...in a very quiet voice..."you don't need organizing, do you?"  I shook my head and said "No."  I asked her what else she had done wrong.  That one she had a bit of a problem with.  I explained to her that she had done what she had done NOT because it was something done to please her dominant but mainly because she felt her way was better than mine and in search of praise and agreement on my behalf.   That doesn't work well in a D/s relationship....as DD mentioned, it can lead to a submissive doing things not to please the dominant but to please herself  as she receives praise and recognition for each task. 
So....I knew she was an organizer.  I knew she took great pride in organizing things to what she considered a more efficient level.  I knew she felt stifled in her work as a receptionist.  I asked her why she chose to stay on as a receptionist when any place that had problems with organization would love to have her.  She admitted that she worried that she did not have enough education to seek a higher job...like say, office manager.  I urged her to rethink this...look at what she did for her husband, look what she had tried to do for me, etc..  I suggested that when she got home and went to work that she start doing more than just being a receptionist...start looking for things that needed organizing around the office...and start doing them.  I also warned her not to take it on without letting someone in charge know what she was doing (remember my surprise?) so that she did not run into displeasure again.
She did so.  And with each task, I praised her and urged her on.  She now works as the office manager of a 3 doctor clinic, "in charge" of them and 3 staff people. 
Now...this example is an illustration of what worked for me in turning something that admittedly is a "positive" but which was "negative" in my case and in our relationship into something more "positive".  This way worked with her...it might not with others.  Deciding whether it will or will not depends a lot on the people involved.  I'll have to get to your second question later.

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*A related question (that might require a separate thread, we'll see) is:

How does a Dominant (or Domme) gauge whatever potential their submissive has? How do they go about judging this? Do they use any particular method or clues about how much potential a submissive has?  I am assuming here that all Dominants of course want to make the most of whatever potential their submissive has, but some might have more than others, depending on whatever that Dominant seeks in a submissive.  

I appreciate and look forward to any replies. Thank you.

- Susan

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RE: Re-channeling undesirable behavior and gauging pote... - 8/3/2006 2:30:14 PM   
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Homestead, good analogy above.
You can't go around being a negative person and expect to "attract" people.

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RE: Re-channeling undesirable behavior and gauging pote... - 8/3/2006 2:35:14 PM   
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Creative: Wow. Great story and example of channelling potentially negative traits to work in a positive way. Thnak you!

- Susan

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RE: Re-channeling undesirable behavior and gauging pote... - 8/3/2006 3:48:01 PM   
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I believe what I said was you were like malaria, as it never really goes away forever.



lolololol

but that is so meaaaaaaaaan 

and my feelings were hurt = (  WAAA

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Ignored? Good!
Now go to your room and sulk, Mr Droopy Draws!



awwwwwwwwww NOS!  I respectfully decline and instead went and studied - dur but I'm too tired!


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RE: Re-channeling undesirable behavior and gauging pote... - 8/3/2006 11:50:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SusanofO

What I am wondering, really, is - is this something most Dominants discuss with a submissive? or is it just a sudden declaration one day: "I've decided you will do X"
(not that that would be bad - it would of course depend on the relationship and the Dominant and submissive in question). 

I know that sounds like a stupid question (probably is) - and it's probably a matter of individual style, but - I still am wondering just how this process works.



I strive to attain a level of trust in which it is unnecessary to discuss my reasoning.  I accomplish this, to a greater or lesser degree depending on the circumstances, by taking the time to explain my reasoning from the the beginning of the relationship.  I find that this incrementally builds an ever-increasing level of trust by demonstrating that I have solid reasons for that which I require.

Many times, my thought processes run in directions that toy has not considered.  My willingness to explain myself in the beginning, when she was too unsure of herself and our relationship to question my motivations, has paid huge trust dividends.  She knows that I'm not inclined to be arbitrary in my directions so she's less inclined to hesitate.  She believes that I have good reasons for what I do and what I require of her.  Belief is a lever and the ability to inspire belief an even more powerful tool with which much can be accomplished

The fine line for me is ensuring that she retains a willingness to do a mental double-check.  It might just be my own personal paranoia, but I really do prefer something short of blind obediance.  Then again, I think that, rather than paranoia, it's simply my willingness to concede that I sometimes lose track of critical details.  I do prefer to maintain a balance wherein toy asks for for confirmation when it appears likely I've given her directions that I might regret.

What I find important, however, is that even when it appears that I'm setting myself up for disaster, I can still inspire (not coerce) obedience.  I collared toy just over two years ago and helped her make the internal transition to owned property less than a year ago and yet the dynamics of our relationship run so smoothly that it feels as if we've always been a team.  It is an incredible synergy and I highly recommend it to anyone who hasn't discovered it already.

Timothy

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