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marieToo -> RE: Doms and whores. (8/11/2006 7:51:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross quote: ORIGINAL: marieToo I am not calling you anything. When you make statements about a group of people, you are speaking to each of those people within that group. Since I am within the group you are making generalizations about, you are making statements about me. quote: I wasnt refering to anyone in particular. No, you weren't. But you were referring to people- and I am one of the people in that group to which you were referring. That's the problem with sweeping generalizations- they completely fall apart when you try and apply them in the real world to real people like me. quote: I do not think you lack honor. But I am into financial slavery. This means you either believe that financial slavery is not always dishonorable, or that you believe financial slavery IS always dishonorable, yet somehow also believe I, a financial slave, am honorable- which is a complete contradiction. quote: We are all the sum of our experiences and mine have led me to certain beliefs. Im entitled to those, regardless of who agrees or who tries to railroad me into a personal insult. Its ok to disagree with something a person does, without condemning the person. I completely agree. However, your particular statements were about degrading people themselves- saying they lacked honor, saying they were co-dependent, unhealthy, and other things. You are making statements about what a person does and THEN saying that it makes up part of who a person IS. If you simply said "I think this particular practice sucks" then we'd be having a completely different discussion. What you said was "I think this particular practice sucks AND the people who do it are co-dependent, unhealthy, lack honor, etc." quote: Why is it ok to make a sweeping statement that's positive, but not one thats negative? It's not actually- I've pointed that out to people who have done the same. quote: Maybe thats why you're becoming so frustrated. I'm not. Please try and understand that any emotional response I have to this is "intriguing intellectual discourse and curiousity." I understand that MOST people in the world can't make strong arguments without getting emotional, but trust me, I'm one of them. I'm very well trained at it. Any other emotions you are perceiving here are completely projectioned. quote: "hey, LA, you give some guy your money and he takes it. that makes you a piece of shit". Believe me if thats what I thought I would tell you that. But you did say co-dependent, unhealthy, lack honor and other things. quote: Let me ask you this.... Is there anything that you think is unhealthy or wrong or bad? If so, would you say it here? And would the whole world agree with you?? Of course I think there are things that are unhealthy and wrong and bad. And I would and have told those people "You are being unhealthy if you do this." quote: Who are you to sit all high and lofty and judge whats irrational? The one with the degree in philosophy. That doesn't make me queen of rationality, but it does mean I've trained very well and very hard to understand exactly what rationality is, how it works and how to discern it. I'm smarter than your average bear when it comes to that. quote: Did you just make a sweeping statement about my state of mind? No, it was a very precise and direct statement. quote: Youre judgeing me to be a nut, arent you? You cant say im being irrational without calling me a pyscho. Why dont you just say what you really mean? Being irrational hardly equates to being psychotic. It does mean you are somewhat irrational. This is ok- most people are. quote: Should I say "In my opinion its wrong, but it may not be wrong for everyone?" Would that make it easier to swallow? That goes without saying. when a statement is made, its clear to anyone with half a brain that its the opinion of the person who authored it. I'm afraid simply saying "It's just my opinion" doesn't hold water when it comes to not having responsibility for that opinion. Since you dispute one of my points, I will ask two questions: 1) Do you consider other forms of slavery to be healthy, honorable and not co-dependent? 2) If yes, why do you think financial slavery is necessarily different from those forms of slavery? quote: Look, if we didnt have beliefs, opinions, judgements on what is good/bad, right/wrong, healthy/unhealthy, what foundation would we use to make decisions from? We'd all be bowls of non-judgmental jello. And we've all seen me say hundreds of times that I'm all against being judgemental? Hardly. My issue is that you seem to be holding an irrational and hypocritical judgement about people and what they do. quote: Youre addressing me for something that you feel is wrong. You said I was being irrational and hypocritical. And I still dont think you see me as a piece of shit or as an asshole. I think you just see me as having done something that you dont approve of, no? Being irrational or hypocritical isn't really something to approve or disapprove of. quote: How is that any different than me feeling something you do is wrong? And did you word it in a more palatable way for my benefit?? did you say ...." to me, it seems irrational" ? Or did you just make a sweeping statement that Im being irrational and hypocritical? I'm using the basic laws of logic here. Having a degree certainly doesnt put you in a position to tell me what I was saying, how I meant it or what I "really" think. Get over yourself and that degree LA. How many times a day do you actually post that, and use it to make you 'righter' than someone else? Why not argue the points instead of putting that up in my face as "proof" that youre right? Honesty that comment made you look like exactly what you are, a 25 year old know-it-all, up on a high horse because youve manage to earn a degree. Your posts are riddled with the same know-it-all attitude. "Most people feel like this" "Most slaves do this". "Most people wouldnt do that"... At your age you know what most people think and feel? You dont even know most people. You're one of those...."If you said x, it means y. And if you said AB it cant mean anything other than C, people. Its not your place to stroll along through life with your degree and assume because you have some backround in a certain field that you're in a position to get up in my face and tell me how I "should" have said something, or to reword it for me, or to insist that I meant it the way you're taking it and rather not the way I meant it. I should say something exactly the way I want to say it, and I should level it however I choose to, whether it be about an particular act, or directly to a person if I so choose. . Who are you to sit here and tell me how I should have said something and who I should have said it to? You do realize thats what you have done, dont you? You are telling me what I should have said, how I really meant it and how I should have worded it. Then when your hit with a sensible argument and valid points, you use your degree to support the fact that you are correct, or should I say you hide behind it like it somehow exonerates you from having to actually support your own argument with this supposed expertise in the field of reasoning and logic that you wave around. Sorry to be the one to break this to you, but your imagined expertise in human behavoir isnt quite as honed as you'd like to believe. Your argument, once again, is full of more holes than a swiss cheese factory, youre repeating yourself, youre ignoring my points and youre changing your own rules, worse than that youre using that "Im right because I say Im right" tactic. Thats basically when I give up the effort to reach an understanding with someone. Think what you would like, LA. At this point, I dont have much respect for your ability to participate in a discussion of reason or logic, superior as you may believe yourself to be. I say things on these board all the time that people dont agree with, Ive even had arguments here, but never have I been met with someone so insistent on telling me how I feel about something. Personal demon of yours?? Maybe you should ask yourself why you've decided the launch an attack against someone who thinks that financial slavery is trash. I hope your today is better than your yesterday. I notice you did this exact same thing to someone else on a thread yesterday. You actually told them how they felt about their own sense of self in their relationship. They denied it and told you that you misunderstood, and you insisted that if they said "A" it just HAS to mean B. Normally I wouldnt pull something like that into an argument, but it supports my observation that you actually think you're a know it all to such a degree that you know each person you speak to better than they know themselves. Someday you will realize that your degree, while a great accomplishment, doesn't automaticaclly make you smarter, better, more equipped, or frankly any "smarter than the average bear:" Your posts on this subject, Im afraid speak for themselves. ps: A little bit of unsolicited advice. Dont shower yourself with accolades and compliments about being smarter than the average person. Youre most likely not, and well.....it tends to look like common bragging.

Jasmyn -> RE: Doms and whores. (8/11/2006 8:06:09 AM)
quote: Exactly. I realize that pros exist to serve a fringe market-an overabundance of do-me male subs. They will do what most Dommes refuse to-enabling various kinks to be played out-the bottoms way. I really have no issue with this form of bunsiess. What I do take issue with, is the old female entitlement of cunt for money in more dishonst forms. It may have been a valid leveler in days when females were disempowered-but when you have equal rights under the law-it does make one seem more a whore for insisting on it-over simply desiring a time and attention focus from your male partner. Instead, you have gold diggers. In a word, whores. Lying, game playing whores. I have yet to see a woman who was bi or lesbian pulling this crap with a female Are you as dumb and cock struck as that post reads??? you've just told the entire CM audience that you think it was okay to for a women to whore herself to her partner in the days of in-equality, when he, Tarazan jungle bum, held all the monetary power ... but it's not okay for a woman who now has equal rights under the law ... to do what she wants with her cunt ... is dishonest? Because why? You are no longer in a position of monetary power? Get a real job them. chortles then again ... what are you doing on the net when you should be in the kitchen? Haven't you got some laundry to fold or something? Ps "I have yet to see a woman who was bi or lesbian pulling this crap with a female" thinking women were all sugar and spice went out last century.. .ya know, when we burned our bras (and yes, I am well aware we didn't actually burn our bras, well maybe one)

MisPandora -> RE: Doms and whores. (8/11/2006 8:20:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania Im taken zeno... and that wouldn't be a possibility even if I wasn't. You insult women wherever you go though.. THAT is a shortcoming... Good luck with that On edit: I shouldn't have brought up your wealth, it is just I have had many a wealthy suitor in my time, and I have rejected them all, because people with money tend to think they are buying those of us without it, and I am not for sale. It also offended me to see you insult someone on this very thread for her weight because you did not like what she said... that is insulting to thin as well as heavy women because it is devaluing an opinion based on whether you find someone sexually appealing, reducing women to sex objects.. which is fine as long as they consented, but I do not think this domme did. It is a sister thing I guess, you got personal with Pandora, I got personal with you.. it isn't pleasant is it? Thanks Julia, but I've not taken his blathering personally. My point WAS made that regardless of his carrying on here, it's not impacted any of the behaviors of the women he's griping about. Not having any productive response but to name-call as though we're on a playground is enough evidence of that.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Doms and whores. (8/11/2006 8:27:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marieToo Having a degree certainly doesnt put you in a position to tell me what I was saying, how I meant it or what I "really" think. Get over yourself and that degree LA. How many times a day do you actually post that, and use it to make you 'righter' than someone else? Why not argue the points instead of putting that up in my face as "proof" that youre right? Honesty that comment made you look like exactly what you are, a 25 year old know-it-all, up on a high horse because youve manage to earn a degree. Your posts are riddled with the same know-it-all attitude. "Most people feel like this" "Most slaves do this". "Most people wouldnt do that"... At your age you know what most people think and feel? You dont even know most people. I'm confused. You asked me a specific question "Who are you to sit all high and lofty and judge whats irrational?" I gave a brief and direct response as to what I considered my qualifications to be. Now, you may or may not accept those qualifications as legitimate. However, you seem to be getting very upset that I answered your question honestly and openly and then making tons of assumptions about my general attitude which has absolutely nothing to do with the actual points of discussion. You are doing what you claim I am not doing. I answered your question. This response does not address any of the points we've been discussing, nor do you answer the two very specific questions I asked you in my reply. Maybe you've been projecting my having an emotional reaction in this because you are getting emotional? And I am 26 now, have been for a few months. Nice stab at the age card as well- I haven't been told I'm too young to know what I say I know in a few months now. quote: Then when your hit with a sensible argument and valid points, you use your degree to support the fact that you are correct, or should I say you hide behind it like it somehow exonerates you from having to actually support your own argument with this supposed expertise in the field of reasoning and logic that you wave around. No, I've been supporting my idea with logical arguments. In order to get clarification from you, I asked you two specific questions in my previous post. You have answered neither and instead decided to regale me on my attitude. The one and only reason I brought up my degree was because you asked me what I felt qualified me to make decisions on rational vs irrational. quote: Maybe you should ask yourself why you've decided the launch an attack against someone who thinks that financial slavery is trash. The fact that you perceived ME to be treating this as a personal attack and are now suggesting that I have launched an attack against you says more about how you are dealing with this discussion than me. quote: I notice you did this exact same thing to someone else on a thread yesterday. You actually told them how they felt about their own sense of self in their relationship. They denied it and told you that you misunderstood, and you insisted that if they said "A" it just HAS to mean B. Normally I wouldnt pull something like that into an argument, but it supports my observation that you actually think you're a know it all to such a degree that you know each person you speak to better than they know themselves. Someday you will realize that your degree, while a great accomplishment, doesn't automaticaclly make you smarter, better, more equipped, or frankly any "smarter than the average bear:" Your posts on this subject, Im afraid speak for themselves. Beth and Merc and I were having a very good discussion. We've been having good intellectual discussions like that for quite a long time and I think we both truly respect eachothers perspectives and insights. We're actually more alike than not I think. I know I certainly took no ill will and believe we were mostly saying the same thing, just with our own unique perspectives. What any of this has to do with the actual discussion of: a) do you consider other forms of slavery to be healthy, honorable, non-co-dependent? b) what makes financial slavery necessarily unable to be those tings? I have no idea. quote: ps: A little bit of unsolicited advice. Dont shower yourself with accolades and compliments about being smarter than the average person. Youre most likely not, and well.....it tends to look like common bragging. It's not bragging if it's true. For your benefit, I actually did a search of both of my screen names looking for all prior references to having a degree in philosophy. Including this one, I've mentioned it exactly 3 times. That's 3 in about 8000 posts- or about .0375% of the time. In some things I'm far more understanding and smarter and able than the average person. In other things, like geography, I'm a complete idiot. And I would definitely hope that my posts speak for themselves.

MistressSophia -> RE: Doms and whores. (8/11/2006 9:10:25 AM)
Jasmyn, I think you are taking what this male is saying all wrong. Try to be more open minded my Dear. What he is really saying is take pity on all males. For they are mindless, have no will power and are helpless to the scent of a woman. After all we are the masterpieces. It is no wonder they feel inferior to us, after all be fair how would you feel if all your plumbing, (no matter how small) was hanging outside your body. After all, men have given up their castles. their thrones, their fortunes, to get near our cunts. That wonderful powerful little box. And then they blame the females because they think with their dicks. But lets take this a step further. If we took what he was saying as truth, then we would have to think of all men as out of control, mindless, uneducated, weak, little nothings. In truth, and I'm not judging anyones fetish or need, but isn't it the males asking to become the female. Is it not the males that worships the females panties. In all my years, and I have been a domme for 22yrs. I have never been asked by a sub to wear tighty whities, can the sub be gagged with male jocky shorts, could he please wear those long golfers sock. Can it be because the male has cunt envy. Can it be that unless the man is an insecure macho inferion male, that men understand that what women have is power, and they want it at any cost. After all how many men will beg for it, cheat for it, lie for it. Yes the cunt has the vote, and all men can do is pray they come back in their next life as a female. Fact is the only ones we are whores to are the ones that can't it get it at any price. So be nice Jasmyn and try to understand their frustration! Isn't it always the way, if you can't have it, understand it ,can't control it etc. then it has to be put down. And it always seems to be a weak minded male bitching about it. I did miss the section on whore masters, could someone please copy it to me.

marieToo -> RE: Doms and whores. (8/11/2006 10:04:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross I'm confused. Let me try to help unconfuse you one more time. You're looking for an absolutism, where one doesnt exist. I tried very hard using examples to show you that it is very possible to think a particular practice, or act is wrong , without labeling the person involved as a wrong-doer. Again, if something is "trash" for me, I am not so closed off to understand that it may be "art" to someone else. Though that wont stop me from calling it trash if it looks like trash to me. Im not going to call the person doing it trash, because they arent necessarily trash in my opinion. Maybe theyre people who are doing what they think is right even though I think its not. It doesnt change the fact that the act, to me, is still trash. Again....One can condemn a particular act without condemning the person. I know you cant accept that and dont believe that, but you have to understand that you not agreeing with it, doesnt make it less true for me. Now, no matter how much rewording you do of my post, no matter how much you apply your logic to try and change my point of view about my beliefs (like you were doing with Beth) you arent going to change it; not because Im that stubborn, but because its my truth. Its how I feel about it The "age card" wasnt as much as an age card as you perceived it to be. Twenty somethings want everything in life to be absolutes. It makes life simpler and decisions easier. 40 somethings know that it will never be that simple and theyve stopped trying to make it so. On a side note, You may also consider why its so important for you to try and get another person to not only conform to your logic but to actually speak and express themselves the way you think they should.

juliaoceania -> RE: Doms and whores. (8/11/2006 10:18:28 AM)
I will say Marie that there are some generalizations we must all do in order to function in the world.. I agree with your estimation about 20 somethings, not that all 20 somethings fall under that generalization. We all have different experiences at different ages that shape our view of the world, of course 20 somethings have less experience than a 40 something, and different experiences. A 20 something can observe though, and can learn from observation.. they will try to make logical sense of these observations.. but as you know it takes the experience of life to own these experiences that can not be owned through observation. I would never know what it is to be married for 25 years for example, I have never done it. Someone who has never parented a child to adulthood wouldn't know what that is either. We can understand somewhat through logic and observation.. but we do not know. Every stage of life has its pluses and it minuses. Some people never mature past their teens even though they are in their 50s, some people get stuck. Others have a bevy of life experiences while in their 20s. I had been married, divorced, a single mom, and a bread winner for my son all before I reached 25.. something that most people never will experience. It shook my faith in my logical ability to disect the world long before it was supposed to happen. It also deprived me of other learning experiences.. like making a one on one relationship work for many years.. because I didn't want to count on anyone else while I was rearing my son. I bring the above up because many times we are condescending of the experiences of those younger than us, and that is as much of a black and white thing as what you accuse 20 somethings of doing.. I say let people be at the stage of life they have arrived at, usually we can make some generalizations about them, but people have a way of shredding our generalizations.

scottjk -> RE: Doms and whores. (8/11/2006 10:29:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jasmyn Scott ... nice response ;) and I totally agree with you about the animal kingdom not been a good comparison for humans ... but it was the continued point you were making of animals in dominant/subservient pairings/herds/packs whatever, the male is the dominant one because he has the sheer brute strength to force the act ... my tale of the stallion was to give an example of one of the animal kingdom not actually proving that rule. ... but while we are at it...if it is not okay for me to use an animal to demonstrate dominance & submission that I have seen acted out in the animal world ... but it was okay for you to? It's rhetorical, btw Jasmyn, I really don't want to make a career out of this. The horrible thing about debate is that you can pick and choose points to argue for or against in regards to your opponent's statements, and even gently ridicule them. But of the 'great' debates that I've seen and heard, one thing becomes very clear. The truth often becomes the casualty when victory is the primary goal. As such, the debate becomes useless towards understanding anything. This is where I throw up my hands and abdicate, simply because it's pointless to my goals in understanding the world around me.

scottjk -> RE: Doms and whores. (8/11/2006 10:31:06 AM)
Some one said it, I'll say it again... What a train wreck.....

marieToo -> RE: Doms and whores. (8/11/2006 10:32:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania I will say Marie that there are some generalizations we must all do in order to function in the world.. I agree with your estimation about 20 somethings, not that all 20 somethings fall under that generalization. We all have different experiences at different ages that shape our view of the world, of course 20 somethings have less experience than a 40 something, and different experiences. A 20 something can observe though, and can learn from observation.. they will try to make logical sense of these observations.. but as you know it takes the experience of life to own these experiences that can not be owned through observation. I would never know what it is to be married for 25 years for example, I have never done it. Someone who has never parented a child to adulthood wouldn't know what that is either. We can understand somewhat through logic and observation.. but we do not know. Every stage of life has its pluses and it minuses. Some people never mature past their teens even though they are in their 50s, some people get stuck. Others have a bevy of life experiences while in their 20s. I had been married, divorced, a single mom, and a bread winner for my son all before I reached 25.. something that most people never will experience. It shook my faith in my logical ability to disect the world long before it was supposed to happen. It also deprived me of other learning experiences.. like making a one on one relationship work for many years.. because I didn't want to count on anyone else while I was rearing my son. I bring the above up because many times we are condescending of the experiences of those younger than us, and that is as much of a black and white thing as what you accuse 20 somethings of doing.. I say let people be at the stage of life they have arrived at, usually we can make some generalizations about them, but people have a way of shredding our generalizations. I dont have any problem letting them be at the stage of life theyre at. I was there once too. I am bringing it up not as a generalization but as a direct application where LA is trying to use her specific need for an absolutism by trying to push me into an admission of something that doesnt exist for me. But thanks for your POV. :)

marieToo -> RE: Doms and whores. (8/11/2006 10:34:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: scottjk quote: ORIGINAL: Jasmyn Scott ... nice response ;) and I totally agree with you about the animal kingdom not been a good comparison for humans ... but it was the continued point you were making of animals in dominant/subservient pairings/herds/packs whatever, the male is the dominant one because he has the sheer brute strength to force the act ... my tale of the stallion was to give an example of one of the animal kingdom not actually proving that rule. ... but while we are at it...if it is not okay for me to use an animal to demonstrate dominance & submission that I have seen acted out in the animal world ... but it was okay for you to? It's rhetorical, btw Jasmyn, I really don't want to make a career out of this. The horrible thing about debate is that you can pick and choose points to argue for or against in regards to your opponent's statements, and even gently ridicule them. But of the 'great' debates that I've seen and heard, one thing becomes very clear. The truth often becomes the casualty when victory is the primary goal. As such, the debate becomes useless towards understanding anything. This is where I throw up my hands and abdicate, simply because it's pointless to my goals in understanding the world around me. I think Im going to take these words of wisdom to heart and spend my energy on something more fruitful than the direction this train wreck has taken. Thank you.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Doms and whores. (8/11/2006 10:49:30 AM)
I can at least say I've NEVER been accused of needing to be absolutist before in my life. In fact I've very often been accused of being "too mushy" and relative in my perspectives because I allow for degrees and contextual variances. It's also a bit amusing that you're calling a bisexual polyamorous switch slut someone who needs absolutes Go on Marie, embrace your over generalizations and irrational and hypocritical assumptions. They've served you well enough up till now.

marieToo -> RE: Doms and whores. (8/11/2006 1:04:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross I can at least say I've NEVER been accused of needing to be absolutist before in my life. The fact that its never happened before today, doesnt make the accusation untrue. Logic 101. In fact I've very often been accused of being "too mushy" and relative in my perspectives because I allow for degrees and contextual variances. You havent allowed for anything but your own perspective here, and being called "mushy" in the past, doesnt change that. Logic 102 It's also a bit amusing that you're calling a bisexual polyamorous switch slut someone who needs absolutes The fact that you are sexually diverse doesnt prove that you werent looking for an absolute. Logic 103 Futhermore, to use your varied sexual preferences to help build an argument that supports denial of the fact that you were indeed looking for an absolute in this case, is.... well.....Illogical. But then maybe its so logical that its beyond the understanding of the "average bear". Roar. Go on Marie, embrace your over generalizations and irrational and hypocritical assumptions. They've served you well enough up till now. I didnt answer your question and go on with this because discussing something with you feels like im chasing a chicken with his head cut off. The above statement is a prime example. You are all over the place in your argument and Im beginning to think you do it on purpose when you see the oppositions point. Whats that they say? "When you cant dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit" Look, The entire world is not going to march to the beat of your drummer, most of the world will never even hear your drummer, not everyone wants to, not everyone even agrees its drumming. I would suggest trying to accept that rather than fighting so hard for someone to conform to your idea of what a drum should sound like. I wish you well.

GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Doms and whores. (8/11/2006 1:24:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold quote: ORIGINAL: zenofeller Along with my apologies for being a tad absent lately, I bring you the latest in controversial topics, as customary. This is not the latest in controversial topics. It is the oldest, in controversial topics. So I will give you *"controversial".* Because I am sure all you want to do is stir up the same old arguments. As one who is such "an observer of human nature", perhaps you could try to bring something a bit fresher to the table. I, for one, never noticed you were away. And here you all are, on page 10! Admittedly, I am here too...Just lurking on occasion over the past 2 days. Facinating!

Kedikat -> RE: Doms and whores. (8/11/2006 1:27:11 PM)
Overall I have no problem with what anyone seeks. If another gets satisfaction in providing it. Good for both. The money for Dom/Domme thing is fine. But as in all the different kinks, it can have all sorts of motives. I feel there are different dynamics entirely in a non direct financial D/s Kink relation. Be they good or bad. To go forward with a person who puts up this kind of profile, you just best know what it is about. Be prepared for it to be possibly emotionless, business like. If nobody gets emotionally hurt. It can be fun and good business. Just different.

marieToo -> RE: Doms and whores. (8/11/2006 1:48:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kedikat Overall I have no problem with what anyone seeks. If another gets satisfaction in providing it. Good for both. The money for Dom/Domme thing is fine. But as in all the different kinks, it can have all sorts of motives. I feel there are different dynamics entirely in a non direct financial D/s Kink relation. Be they good or bad. To go forward with a person who puts up this kind of profile, you just best know what it is about. Be prepared for it to be possibly emotionless, business like. If nobody gets emotionally hurt. It can be fun and good business. Just different. I agree in most part. But I dont understand having a personal relationship void of emotions. Im sure some do it, But thats beyond my even being able to fathom. I guess I wouldnt make much of a detached callous master type.

zenofeller -> RE: Doms and whores. (8/11/2006 6:02:59 PM)
this thread is most amusing. there's about a dozen people shouting different things in different languages. to try and bring things back together, let's consider a simple question. have you ever heard of a male faking orgasm ?

marieToo -> RE: Doms and whores. (8/11/2006 7:54:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: zenofeller this thread is most amusing. there's about a dozen people shouting different things in different languages. to try and bring things back together, let's consider a simple question. have you ever heard of a male faking orgasm ? Well, Id agree with the different things in different languages. I was actually the first to point that out some where around the first or second page of this nightmare. No, Ive never heard of a man faking an orgasm. Its impossible. Im a female and I can say in all honesty I have never faked one in my life. Not because Im above it, but because I dont fake things very good. I wish I did. But whats the point? <funny photo btw.> If I had my druthers, Id smoke the cigarette first, then bury my face in the sundae. Better sense keeps me from doing either, however> But thats another thread isnt it. edited cuz I had myself in the same box as that zeno guy.

zenofeller -> RE: Doms and whores. (8/11/2006 8:17:41 PM)
technically, it's a cigarillo. and, really, nothing is another thread than this one. there's everything in here already, or at least leftovers of everything.

Sunshine119 -> RE: Doms and whores. (8/11/2006 10:40:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kedikat Overall I have no problem with what anyone seeks. If another gets satisfaction in providing it. Good for both. The money for Dom/Domme thing is fine. But as in all the different kinks, it can have all sorts of motives. I feel there are different dynamics entirely in a non direct financial D/s Kink relation. Be they good or bad. Bingo! We have a winner! A paid Dom/me is providing a service for money or other goods. The "submissive" is actually the purchaser of services and therefore can determine which services s/he is going to pay for and from whom. Consequently, the power is with the "submissive" and not with the Dom/me who is at the mercy of the person who wishes to purchase a particular service. Even if it is to kiss high healed shoes, crawl like a worm or be feminized, it is still the service the "submissive" is choosing. The power exchange is in the hands of the payor.....consequently, even if the payor wants to be humiliated, beaten and "topped" s/he is always the DOMINANT. This thread is growing faster than the onion grass in my front lawn!!!!

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