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RE: "Mass Murder on an Un-Imaginable Scale!" - 8/14/2006 6:42:19 AM   
NorthernGent


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Yes, demand is expected to increase due to the emergence of the likes of China and India and the resulting industrial growth and higher standard of living. However, at present, the demand for oil has been stable for a few years and there is more than enough to go around at this point in time. OPEC is dominated by a few big players and their spheres of influence. The influence in world politics extends to world resources. Can I prove this with a link? No. Just like I can't prove there were WMDs. My opinion is it is no major revelation to suggest an economy highly dependent on oil with huge influence around the world is using this influence to control oil supply.

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RE: "Mass Murder on an Un-Imaginable Scale!" - 8/14/2006 2:18:17 PM   
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My opinion is it is no major revelation to suggest an economy highly dependent on oil with huge influence around the world is using this influence to control oil supply.


And that is why you, in your infinite wisdom, brought it to the table.  Nice going ace.  Fantastic hindsight. 

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RE: "Mass Murder on an Un-Imaginable Scale!" - 8/14/2006 3:27:54 PM   
NorthernGent


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Status: offline 		Take it or leave it, no skin off my nose. Just because I highlighted your incorrect statement that oil resources are dwindling there's no need to throw your toys out of the pram. Be a good lad and play nice.

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RE: "Mass Murder on an Un-Imaginable Scale!" - 8/14/2006 3:50:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do you want to prove it?  Because I can provide you links that say they are.  Oil resources take millions of years to replenish themselves.  Of course you in your hindsight already knew that.

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RE: "Mass Murder on an Un-Imaginable Scale!" - 8/14/2006 4:15:45 PM   
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Do you want to prove it?  Because I can provide you links that say they are.  Oil resources take millions of years to replenish themselves.  Of course you in your hindsight already knew that.


Actually people  and corporations have been trying to gather evidence to prove that the supply is unlimited and will magicly replenish itself through geological actions like plate techtonics . It has surprise me that no one has pulled up those "studies"  yet .

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RE: "Mass Murder on an Un-Imaginable Scale!" - 8/14/2006 4:30:47 PM   
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P.S. How many people think that Hugo Chavez is considered such a great threat to world security by the US government just because he calls GW Bush "an asshole"?   

He also just happens to be sitting on one of the world's greatest remaining oil resources, in a country with a weak military, and he seems very willing to sell this oil to China instead of the US - obviously he's a great threat to world security!   Regime change, anyone?




Why do you suppose it goes without comment that the Chinese military is sitting on the untapped oil reserves in Africa?

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RE: "Mass Murder on an Un-Imaginable Scale!" - 8/14/2006 4:32:32 PM   
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RE: "Mass Murder on an Un-Imaginable Scale!" - 8/14/2006 4:34:54 PM   
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RE: "Mass Murder on an Un-Imaginable Scale!" - 8/14/2006 4:43:46 PM   
meatcleaver


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Status: offline 		The USA has troops in 44 countries so why is it so odd that China has troops in a couple of countries. It is for the same reason, security of oil reserves because whether it is China or the USA, poor people hate their corrupt elite selling their resources and leaving them with nothing.

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RE: "Mass Murder on an Un-Imaginable Scale!" - 8/14/2006 5:13:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Considering there are at least half a dozen energy alternatives to oil, including some biodiesel alternatives, the whole "peak oil" business is just another attempt to cause panic over nothing. There is every expectation that we could either supplement or replace existing energy technologies in a very short amount of time if the commercial desire was there to do it. Instead we have a lot of momentum to squash new energies and technologies because there is a profit motive for at least some that encourages sticking with oil rather than actively pursuing alternatives.

Life doesn't have to be this way. Our foreign policy goals could be completely other than they are. But first we have to get rid of the power structures in place in government and tame our corporations so that they once again serve a public good rather than continue as public menaces. We do not have to serve the interests of Koch Industries - what are they to us?

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RE: "Mass Murder on an Un-Imaginable Scale!" - 8/14/2006 5:24:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why is nobody addressing the highly (and darkly) ironic point that I brought up before?  Popeye wants to kill all the Muslims (and what, make a giant parking lot out of the Middle East?)... and yet, it was the Muslim community in Great Britain that alerted the authorities to the suspicious behavior which got the men nabbed....

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RE: "Mass Murder on an Un-Imaginable Scale!" - 8/14/2006 5:50:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		East lass the Britts just ban Popeye from entering the UK. We could ban him here too.. I know a few Muslims who already have said that they would like to meet him down a dark alley one night.. But then that was just them takig offence at a couple of his posts like more than a few of us have... 

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RE: "Mass Murder on an Un-Imaginable Scale!" - 8/14/2006 5:53:19 PM   
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RE: "Mass Murder on an Un-Imaginable Scale!" - 8/15/2006 4:52:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		The facts are that 1) Oil supply is increasing 2) Oil drilling rigs are increasing.

Any forecast must take into account technological development i.e. not make assumptions about oil based on what we know of the world today.

http://www.worldoil.com/infocenter/Statistics_main.asp

http://www.worldoil.com/INFOCENTER/STATISTICS_DETAIL.asp?Statfile=_worldoilproduction

http://www.worldoil.com/INFOCENTER/STATISTICS_DETAIL.asp?Statfile=_inter-rotary-rig-graph

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RE: "Mass Murder on an Un-Imaginable Scale!" - 8/15/2006 4:59:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		In my view the idea of "peak oil" is oil industry propaganda intended to incite panic and legitimize conflicts where oil is at minimum the subtext and more probably the primary motive for said conflicts. It also goes a long way toward justifying higher prices for something readily available. With the right idea to advertise your action, you *CAN* get blood from a stone!

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RE: "Mass Murder on an Un-Imaginable Scale!" - 8/15/2006 5:23:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

The facts are that 1) Oil supply is increasing 2) Oil drilling rigs are increasing.

Any forecast must take into account technological development i.e. not make assumptions about oil based on what we know of the world today.

http://www.worldoil.com/infocenter/Statistics_main.asp

http://www.worldoil.com/INFOCENTER/STATISTICS_DETAIL.asp?Statfile=_worldoilproduction

http://www.worldoil.com/INFOCENTER/STATISTICS_DETAIL.asp?Statfile=_inter-rotary-rig-graph

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You moron.  That website is talking about production.  It does not have one bloody thing to do with what is left in the ground.

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RE: "Mass Murder on an Un-Imaginable Scale!" - 8/15/2006 5:37:07 AM   
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That website is talking about production.  It does not have one bloody thing to do with what is left in the ground.


Your question is irrelevant. Who cares what's in the ground when there are alternatives to that kind of energy? Your problem is not thinking outside the box. Oil doesn't matter. You could grow biodiesel from hemp, corn, etc. In truth you could run the world on pig shit which produces methane.

Why should we keep throwing good money after bad on this whole oil thing? Screw oil and the people that own it.


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RE: "Mass Murder on an Un-Imaginable Scale!" - 8/15/2006 5:45:56 AM   
NorthernGent


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Status: offline 		Wrong side of the bed today? Manners are free and I've just noticed you're Canadian. Congratulations, after chatting with hundreds of Candians on the internet you are the first to display a complete lack of manners. Bad apples in every barrel I suppose.

The point is we are constantly discovering new drilling sites and we have no idea what is left in the ground. Add to this that technological advancement will increase our ability to recover oil and it's not quite the disaster scenario that certain vested interests would have you believe. Estimates of proven world oil reserves have been increasing since the 1940s - the trend is an increase not a reduction.

Examples of how forecasts aren't always correct:

The best estimates in 1942 indicated that the Kern River field in California had just 54 million barrels of remaining oil. By 1986, the field had produced 736 million barrels, and estimates put the remaining reserves at 970 million barrels.

In a more modern example, the most recently discovered oil frontier in the world, Kazakhstan, and its major finding, the massive Kashagan oilfield. For decades, geological surveys had only indicated the possibility of hydrocarbon deposits there.
There are many other oilfields yet to be explored in this area that have a geological structure similar to that of Kashagan.

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RE: "Mass Murder on an Un-Imaginable Scale!" - 8/15/2006 5:48:08 AM   
SirKenin


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Status: offline 		The first thing I found is this:

http://www.spe.org/spe/jsp/basic/0,,1104_1008218_1109511,00.html

Notice what it is implying.  No new oil is being "developed".  The reason for the "increase" in estimates is the fact that new deposits are being discovered and new technologies are being developed to extract remaining deposits from existing wells.  They also do not know how much is left to be discovered.  They DO know, however, that the size of several deposits were severely overestimated.

The point is, though, that the resource is finite.  I believe you called Me a liar on that, so you have a lot of balls asking for manners, mister.  Especially when you can not even read your own links.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3590137.stm

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Mr Hayes added that while oil supplies would eventually dry up, that point could be a century away.
"If you stand back and look at it totally objectively, it took millions of years to develop each drop of oil, which we now use in seconds, so it is 100% certain that oil will one day run out," he said.


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RE: "Mass Murder on an Un-Imaginable Scale!" - 8/15/2006 5:56:41 AM   
SirKenin


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Status: offline 		Anyways, northern, as always you do not know what you are talking about.

To the rest of you, did you know that Iraq is sitting on 100 billion barrels of oil?  Now is it any secret why Bush moved in?  It is pretty hard to negotiate the price of oil with a dictator armed with an arsenal of WMDs.  Hmmmm.

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