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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/19/2006 4:32:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jennifer Lopez exists to remind us that god is both cruel and loving. And that god hates fashion. And loves a joyful slut.

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/19/2006 4:36:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		lol, the 11th commandment - 'God loves a joyful slut'

Apolgies in advance for the balsphemy.

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/19/2006 4:38:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, oversimplified it is as dogma tends to be - no real insight just a series of dos and donts.

Shame it's not simple enough for our leaders to grasp.

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/19/2006 4:43:37 PM   
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Apolgies in advance for the balsphemy.

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Don't sweat it, God has to have a sense of humor.

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/19/2006 4:46:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, dos and donts.
Do love thy neighbour - fair play, cant argue with that.
Do not covet that neigbours ass (im sure its something like that). Now yes jealousy can be evil but also can encourage people to go out and do better.
Thou shalt not kill - cold blooded murder agreed. However do we not put criminals on death row? We execute people. Its murder.
Im sure i could come up with something for every commandment if i had the time.
I have to disagree that we would do better by following the bibles dos and donts.  

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/19/2006 4:48:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why? When I think of God I imagine an extremely pissed off old bloke with a speech impediment and bed sores. Why does he have to have a sense of humour?

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/19/2006 4:49:54 PM   
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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/19/2006 4:56:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		1) Depends who the neighbour is - could you love Margaret Thatcher?

2) I live in a flat and have 40 neighbours. I haven't the time, will or energy to covet all of them.

3) We don't execute our criminals. In fact, we don't even put them in prison anymore because they're full! No room at the inn, squire.

4) Isn't there one about adultery? Sounds about right to me.

5) I didn't say we should follow the bible but there is one or two bits of advice our Government should have a look at. Strange how Blair has missed this info seeing as he now has a direct line straight to the big man upstairs.

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/19/2006 4:58:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Im a pretty spiritual person, but not so much formally religious. I can find in just about any religion something to joke (probably inappropriately) about and something to hold dear and weave into my own personal spirituality. Sometimes people hear me joking about religious things and they don't realize that can laugh at religion while being profoundly affected by spiritual principles and by my interactions with people who encounter them from an honest and open place.

I believe that what exists in the physical realm is a sort of shadow of what exists in the spiritual realm. I can't offer you evidence as to why I believe that humor is intrinsic to the makeup of what is God/the Universe/the Eternal, I just do.

And anyway, Jesus is my homey and he tells a wicked awesome knock-knock joke.

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/19/2006 4:58:38 PM   
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Why? When I think of God I imagine an extremely pissed off old bloke with a speech impediment and bed sores. Why does he have to have a sense of humour?


I can't decide what I like better:

God with bed sores.

(after all who would come in and turn Him?)

or

The sin of "balsphemy"

(which I'm not entirely clear on but I think I want to try if I haven't already)

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/19/2006 5:02:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Margaret Thatcher - the iron lady. Hmm i dont and didnt love her but u had to love her strength and conviction.
I've never even met my neighbours but i tell ya if they r good looking i cud be loving them and coveting their ass all in one.
We dont execute people now but we did and if some people have their way wed bring it right back.
Adultery - sounds right to you?
Out of curiosity what is it about the bible you think our government should be following?

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/19/2006 5:05:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Unlike the natural sciences, we can only speculate at how people related to the world and each other before recorded history, so it's difficult to say with any certainty how our behavior came to be what it is.  You use the term "conditioning" which I find interesting because, from a sociological and psychological perspective, that's exactly what we are if you look carefully.  We are "creatures of habit."  Everything we do, even our identity is a pattern at some level being repeated every day.
 
The other salient feature about humans that I only alluded to earlier is our ability to circumvent environmental circumstances using technology.  We live in cold climates by manipulating fire, have artificial daylight, can cover great distances with machines, and have harnessed power by the use of the wheel and the inclined plane to name only a few examples.  Agriculture is seen as the principle turning point for civilization to begin.  No longer needing to hunt and forage for food, people were then able to stay in one place but still needed to work together to maintain the annual crops.  Irrigation was another invention that significantly changed how we live (and where).  All these things took coordinated effort and it's for this reason government came about.
 
But government needs authority, so it was only natural that the first primitive governments got their authority from religion.  For thousands of years this was the bond between the priests and the politicians.  This is how the problem of the church and state came to be born.
 
People created religion, then forgot that's where it came from, and finally forgot that they have forgotten.  I think it's our complex brain and the ability to conceptualize everything that's at fault regarding our more negative behavior.  We conceive of the future and then worry about it.  People won't admit it but we all live in fear at some level.  Fear of dying is probably the ultimate, followed by insecurity of understanding the meaning of being alive.  Meaning is something we each bring into our world through interpretation.  This is another facet of religion that gives it its power as it provides an attractive interpretation for the masses.
 
People need and want security and they will do whatever is necessary to quell that hunger.  This is what I mean by being greedy and selfish.  You might say it's an amplified sense of self preservation, made possible by our advanced brain and understanding of technology.  I often wonder how many people in the developed parts of the world could if they had to, go out and live off the land successfully.  It's quite possible they may one day have to.
 
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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/19/2006 5:09:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Balsphemy is the ability to turn humans into gold. If you've ever been to Salford you'll know this is almost possible as the natives tend to have pieces of gold on every digit.

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/19/2006 5:14:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		1) There is absolutely nothing lovable about Margaret Thatcher.

2) You have some meeting and greeting to do then. Make it more original than the bag of sugar routine - try you're a gymnast and you need to pratice a few twirls, headstands and whatever else they do on his floor.

3) There is absolutely no groundswell of opinion to bring back the death penalty in this country. In fact, I can't remember ever reading about this subject anywhere.

4) I was saying exactly the opposite about adultery.

5) Love thy neighbour = don't murder them with planes and bombs.

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/19/2006 5:21:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		1. Matter of opinion - mine differs from yours.
2. Im more direct than to choose cheesy shit.
3. Back yourself up with fact there. The majority of people i know would back the death penalty being brought back.
4. Again a matter of opinion.
5. If only life were perfect.

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/19/2006 5:25:16 PM   
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Interesting post. In terms of the attraction of religion to us you have mentioned a lack of education and security. What about the need to form a shared consciousness that serves the need to belong?

In terms of us all having fear- I'm not convinced this is the case. Does there have to be a meaning? Are we not like flowers who bloom and die? Is it not possible that some of us think "this is it, no meaning, no afterlife, let's just enjoy it"?

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/19/2006 5:30:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		1) It certainly does.
2) You certainly are.
3) The fact is there is no movement to support the death penalty. There is no motion in Parliament. There is nothing. Not even any concerted media attempt to put it in the public eye - even from the most right wing of right wing rags such as the Daily Mail.
4) A matter of opinion that adultery is not on? My considered estimate is that those who believe it is fair game are in the minority.
5) I'm not asking for perfection - just a sprinkling of humanitarianism.

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/19/2006 5:35:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well as we all know public opinion and government opinion varies greatly so just cos there is no motion to bring back the death penalty doesnt mean that public opinion it should be brought back doesnt exist.
As for adultery what people say is right and what they actually do is another thing. I dont agree with adultery but ive participated in it.

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/19/2006 5:42:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		One of the functions of Government and media is to reflect the public mood. If there was a significant groundswell of opinion the right-wing elements in society would have it right in our faces. You can take the fact that it's never reported as being indicative of the fact such a groundswell does not exist.

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RE: The Bible and Common Sense - 8/19/2006 5:46:17 PM   
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Since when did the government ever listen to us?
For an intelligent man who holds a good convo your ability to see that your limited view of things isnt the only view is astounding.

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