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discipline - 8/28/2006 4:28:09 PM

golfguy

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I have been reading a lot of replies from dommes concerning beatings as a punishment knowing that the sub has intentionally provoked the situation to recieve it. your replies seemed to be you would not give him his wish but punish him some other way. My question,Mistresses is, what if the sub truly fears being beaten for his misdeeds.How often would you use it and to what extent?

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RE: discipline - 8/28/2006 4:35:43 PM

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I'm a sadist, and I never want a sub to confuse heavy play with punishment. It undermines one of my primary goals, namely to help the sub eroticize pain. So, I address problem behavior through other means.

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RE: discipline - 8/28/2006 7:17:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: ladylexington

I'm a sadist, and I never want a sub to confuse heavy play with punishment. It undermines one of my primary goals, namely to help the sub eroticize pain. So, I address problem behavior through other means.

That is pretty much my philosophy too.

If I wasn't a sadist, I'd certainly see the value of using pain as a punishment if the bottom was not a masochist or it was a type of pain they did not eroticize.

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RE: discipline - 8/28/2006 7:23:04 PM

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The point is that rewarding bad behavior is not the goal. Why beat a person who desires being beat?

Another consideration, if the sub is willfully disobedient then release may be the only option. Capability is obviously lacking & you are left with nothing more than a battle of wills that will result in no winners.

I don't understand why there is a desire for punishment or so many conversations about needing good ideas for punishment. To me... punishment is directly related to failure & the dominant can be just as responsible for this failure as the submissive.

You ask, what if the sub truly fears a beating, then I may use that as a mind fuck more than a reality. It would be my hopes that I would not have a reason to pull out the big guns in order to get the desired behavior... there are so many other ways to punish (each determined by the individual)... beating someone could actually be seen as a rather generic, completely void of any depth, creativity or understanding of what an individual's true triggers are.

I too am a sadist & as a sadist I would rather the heavy play be a session based on what I want, about enjoying the activity & energy created rather than... damn his/her hide for screwing up!

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RE: discipline - 8/28/2006 8:07:04 PM

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I do not reward bad behavior and I always give a verbal warning followed by punishment if its repeated. If it goes beyond that to were the sub just won't obey, then off comes the collar.

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RE: discipline - 8/29/2006 9:47:46 AM

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If a 'beating' is being used as punishment I suggest the Domme or Dom read the thread in the 'ask a slave/sub' section reguarding what the worst punishment is for them. Paddling, flogging, beating and spanking are not on the list.

I think that the dominate person must really know the sub and know what it is they enjoy and don't. If you realize they enjoy the beating why in the world would it ever be used as punishment?

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RE: discipline - 8/29/2006 11:13:16 AM

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! i find your remarks very enlightening.!,as a newbie sub just reading and inquiring about this venue. the more i read and ask the more prepared i will be . thank you all. sub doug

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RE: discipline - 8/29/2006 11:25:54 AM

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I've always just believed that if I deliberately misbehaved very often at all, I'd be shown the door. I can't understand why a supposedly submissive person would do that. On the other hand, I can see punishments for involuntary infractions or other types of conditioning.

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RE: discipline - 8/29/2006 11:35:01 AM

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My sub is not a masochist, nor am I a sadist. Maybe that makes us unusual, I don't know, but it works for us. I have warned once or twice that a spanking could take place if he weren't intentional and paying close attention to following orders. I would never harm him, but I think that for him a non-severe spanking would be a physical reminder that he should be more careful, plus it would be rather embarrassing for him and therefore something he wouldn't want to repeat.

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