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sleazybutterfly -> Question about Victorian & 50's Households (8/28/2006 4:35:33 PM)

I am just curious and haven't really found anything where I can read about them.
 
What is considered a Victorian Household and a 50's Household?  Are there certain "guidelines", such as there is with Gor?  Do any of you live in those types of homes?  How do they differ from a "normal" D/s household?
 
I don't want to offend anyone with the questions, I just saw the Victorian one mentioned in another thread and my curiosity has gotten the better of me.
 
Thank you. 
 
Andrea



SusanofO -> RE: Question about Victorian & 50's Households (8/28/2006 5:16:24 PM)

I have no experience of any substance to add here, sleazybutterfly, but I am very interested in your thread topic as well, and hope some experienced or knowledgeable people answer you. [:)]

- Susan 



proudsub -> RE: Question about Victorian & 50's Households (8/28/2006 5:21:34 PM)

I have pretty much lived as a 50's wife if that is what you mean. The wife stays home and does all the chores, raises the kids, pampers her husband, and defers most major decisions to him.  Watch some reruns of Ozzie and Harriet,  Leave it to Beaver or other 50's sit coms.



SusanofO -> RE: Question about Victorian & 50's Households (8/28/2006 5:24:18 PM)

Thanks, proudsub!

I lived pretty much a 1950's life with my hubby, too, I guess. I liked it (except for a lack of sex. but that's was just a "maital problem', not part of that life-style)...but, living w/defined and opposite "roles" wasn't really conscious on our part - just sort of the way things worked out. He worked at a professional job and made all of the financial decisions, and other major decisions, and I loved being a houswife (and was good at it, too). 

I am thinking Victorian life-style is pretty much the same as 1950's , but even more extreme. But I have no data to go on, really, The OP is right, I haven't found much info on either one, when I've perused the internet.

- Susan



MstrTiger -> RE: Question about Victorian & 50's Households (8/28/2006 5:42:50 PM)


I think a Victorian themed approach would be more based around a ‘dominant’ couple using slaves as servants rather than the wife being one herself Victorian women held an important position within their own homes even though the men still held most of the power. It was a ladies job to run the home though she did not do any of the hard work herself she just instructed the servants on what to do. In more wealthy households where they could afford to have a butler and a housekeeper then they were the ones who instructed the servants on what to do and the lady of the house just sat around all day drinking tea and organising social events etc.



SusanofO -> RE: Question about Victorian & 50's Households (8/28/2006 5:45:50 PM)

Thanks for the observation, MstrTiger. You'ce got a good point. I don't know much about Victorian life-style. But want to find out. I see this listed on some people's interest lists, but for some reason, it doesn't come up too much of these boards. I am very attracted to the man making the decisions part of that life-style, but, as you noted somewhat, that part only doesn't make it that much different (if at all) from the 1950's life-style.

- Susan



sleazybutterfly -> RE: Question about Victorian & 50's Households (8/28/2006 5:54:13 PM)

I guess I did have an idea about the 50's type household.  I have told people before that, that is more what I pictured for myself.  I just didn't know if there was more to it.  Thank you, proudsub.
 
I really didn't have any idea about the Victorian one..thanks MstrTiger.  It's not really how I had it in my head, but it does make sense.
 
 
Glad you are interested also, Susan.  I hope I can find our more..probably about the Victorian.  I am curious how D/s or M/s fits into it.
 

 



krikket -> RE: Question about Victorian & 50's Households (8/28/2006 6:05:38 PM)

There's a website about being TakenInHand.com that describes the 50's life pretty well...lots of good reading there.

Hope it helps..

cheers
jimini



sleazybutterfly -> RE: Question about Victorian & 50's Households (8/28/2006 6:21:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: krikket

There's a website about being TakenInHand.com that describes the 50's life pretty well...lots of good reading there.

Hope it helps..

cheers
jimini


Thank you, I will take a look at it.
 
edited because it worked that time...



KatyLied -> RE: Question about Victorian & 50's Households (8/28/2006 6:27:59 PM)

I aspire to the 50's household thing.  It would probably make me sort of crazy, not having the routine of work.  But there are so many things that I think would be nice about slowing down my life and not rushing around.  I would gladly keep a house spotless and have dinner ready every night for the convenience of not working.  I DREAM!



MasterFireMaam -> RE: Question about Victorian & 50's Households (8/28/2006 6:29:44 PM)

Sir Stephen and slave cathering, Int. Master and slave 2005, have a Victorian household. They are very nice people and are happy to talk to any who have questions. Their website is:
http://www.restraining-order.com/

Master Fire



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Question about Victorian & 50's Households (8/28/2006 6:37:12 PM)

Not to mention "mother's little helper."  No functioning mom would be without her pills in the 50s...unless her drug of choice was alcohol.



thetammyjo -> RE: Question about Victorian & 50's Households (8/28/2006 7:23:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MstrTiger


I think a Victorian themed approach would be more based around a ‘dominant’ couple using slaves as servants rather than the wife being one herself Victorian women held an important position within their own homes even though the men still held most of the power. It was a ladies job to run the home though she did not do any of the hard work herself she just instructed the servants on what to do. In more wealthy households where they could afford to have a butler and a housekeeper then they were the ones who instructed the servants on what to do and the lady of the house just sat around all day drinking tea and organising social events etc.


Very good and I agree very much with your description, MstrTiger, and also very much not like the stereotypes 1950s American housewife, I'll add since there was some confusion between the two.

Now, if course, a 1950s housewife could have a maid or someone who came in to help out a few days a week but the real difference here is one of class expectations for the time period.

In the Victorian period being middle class = having servants on hand regularly, not as many as the upper class certainly but you had regular daily servants.

In the 1950s being middle class = having the house, the dog, the kids, the hubby with the single income while wife takes care of all household matters. Servants weren't really part of that expectation because, well, you also need to have other "things" that weren't expected for middle class Victorians (like cars, vacations, television, etc).

This is my understanding of the periods based on a few classes I've had and helped teach -- it is not my period of expertise however.



Lashra -> RE: Question about Victorian & 50's Households (8/28/2006 7:32:47 PM)

After my marriage my then husband tried to force me into a 1950's lifestyle, but he lost that war. I'm a modern woman but if peeps enjoy it go for it.

~Lashra



stockingluvr54 -> RE: Question about Victorian & 50's Households (8/28/2006 7:35:32 PM)

Yes! The 50's thing except with a little twist.....!!!!!



popeye1250 -> RE: Question about Victorian & 50's Households (8/28/2006 7:47:10 PM)

Sleazybutterfly, I've seen those terms in here and wondered about them too.
I haven't been able to find too much out about them though.
Would it be considered "Victorian" if you liked to have your sub/slave dressed like a maid when doing things around the house and serving you?
To me anyway, that would be more or less of a "Victorian Household."



Noah -> RE: Question about Victorian & 50's Households (8/28/2006 8:06:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Not to mention "mother's little helper."  No functioning mom would be without her pills in the 50s...unless her drug of choice was alcohol.


I hope you're joking and don't imagine that this was true, LA.

As for the 50's household, lets not forget about the fabrics, fashions and hairstyles.



"Golly, Ward. You were a little hard on the Beaver last night."



KatyLied -> RE: Question about Victorian & 50's Households (8/28/2006 8:06:51 PM)


quote:

"Golly, Ward. You were a little hard on the Beaver last night."


hehe



Noah -> RE: Question about Victorian & 50's Households (8/28/2006 8:19:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

You have freedom when you're easy in your girdle, longline bra, shirtwaist dress and pumps.
- Robert Frost, or someone ...


It is important to get these quotations just so, Katy.





LadyHugs -> RE: Question about Victorian & 50's Households (8/28/2006 8:39:23 PM)

Dear sleazybutterfly, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
First, I would like to mention that Queen Victoria reigned for 64 years.  She was born when the US President James Monroe was in office in 1817-25; Victoria was born in 1819.  She became Queen of England in 1837, which President Martin VanBuren was President of the USA at the time.  She died in 1901, in January--when President William McKinley was in office and before his assassination.  So, if you wish to pick the Victorian age you have much to choose from, to include the times during the Civil War here in the USA.
 
In addition to the access to history via the Internet, Library and sometimes PBS; Protocols of court for the Imperial heads of state might be accessible through researching Queen Victoria's diary and or Lord Chamberlain of the period.  One may also look into the International Guild of Butlers, as to see if they can recommend specific leads on where your personal interests may lay, as far as your request for information.
 
As for the 1950's era, in the USA-- Daddy Knows Best, as well as other TV shows, to include "I Love Lucy," if you can see past the comedy, in addition to previously mentioned shows can give a Hollywood version of life in the 1950s.  Mostly patriarchal --male dominant, worked and provided the wife with all their needs.  Women wore hats and gloves more often than today, dressing with mid calf skirts, slacks were rare.
Men opened doors, closed them, etc.  There was no air conditioning at that time, for the average person.  A fancy car cost $500.00 brand new, black and white television sets with big tubes and internal tubes, dialed in the station and--there was no PBS.  The dial only went 2 through 13.  Only channels we could get in DC was 4, 5, 7 and 9.  World War II ended mid 1940's so you had a lot of GI's taking advantage of the GI Bill, that helped pay for education and housing.
Most GIs who came home wanted to make a home right away.  Baby Boomers are the products [winks].  Stores were closed on Sunday, so everybody had to stock up on groceries as to cook over the weekend.
No real drive throughs as we know of today, they had curb service where you parked and waitresses/waiters came out with the meal after talking into a box.  Outdoor movie theaters were all the rage.
People could leave keys in car ignitions, doors to homes unlocked, windows open, didn't have a big homework load, dial/rotary phones was all you had.  No computers, only thing close was a decoder from WWII and teletype and key punch.  Street cars and buses was major transportation.  Trains were used more than airplanes to get about.
No microwave and the Interstate highway system was inspired by WWII's need to get military to one location to another with great haste.  It really wasn't suppose to be clogged like it is now.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs



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