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nella -> RE: Harems and Tribute and Dishes, Oh My! (1/6/2005 3:34:59 PM)

Lily. No we dont, for now all we do is working up my pain tolerance and he is working going to get to work on target practice. We do not know many pepole that are interested in this sort of things.




MizSuz -> RE: Harems and Tribute and Dishes, Oh My! (1/6/2005 4:05:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyTantalize

...as we've been labeled "edge", "extreme", even sometimes unsafe,etc., often by novices, or cyber-folks with little r/l experiences, or many in the newer generation coming up



You said a mouthful here, Sister. There's a whack job in the midwest who has attributed the coming of the anti-christ to me (and anything else she can find to throw, whether it happened or not). She doesn't practise s&m, it's deviant, don'tchaknow. SSC has become a mindless mantra used to bludgeon those who may prefer their kink even kinkier than the 'mainstream' (as if there's any such thing in our community). I figure in 5 years she will graduate to the serious stuff. That's when I'm going to write my book, complete with documented backup! I'll market it as a comedy (and refuse to give her credit). hahahahaha I'm also a patient sadist.

The current political climate isn't condusive to those of us 'extreme' players being too out there. Perhaps when the moral majority is back in church (where they should be) and the patriot act has been revised adequately, but right now higher levels of discretion are prudent to my mind.


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ORIGINAL: LadyTantalize

...I detest having to micromanage, nor do I enjoy punishment for inproper or incorrect behaviour. I want someone to WANT to please Me because they WANT to, not because I have to FORCE them to



Well said! I tell people there is "play," there is "correction," and there is "punishment." Play is obvious, correction is used to facilitate an agreed upon end goal, punishment is meted out to those who have blatantly defied the rules. If I have to punish you I'm also thinking "why bother?" Release (and not of an ejaculatory kind) is imminent.

As to micromanagement - that's work. A slave is supposed to make my life easier. I'm supposed to work LESS. If it made me wet perhaps I'd be in for it, but it doesn't. Those who like it can have my share.

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ORIGINAL: LadyTantalize

From cuttings ....


You're signing my soooooong! I love blood (when used responsibly, of course).

There is NOTHING in the WORLD akin to opening the flesh of someone willing to trust and accept, seeing the white of the flesh below the surface, watching as the tiny dots of blood inside build, pool and.....

S
.....P
...........I
................L
.....................L...



over the edge as if to offer up all resistance in the sublime catharsis that only the devoted (whether to me or the experience) can attain.

Ok, I can tell that this thread is gonna work it's wiles on me!




MizSuz -> RE: Harems and Tribute and Dishes, Oh My! (1/6/2005 4:32:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: topcat

utter glee, unrestrained joy,
so what if it 's becuase she just nailed you perinum to a bowling ball and is standing with it at the top of the stairs?




HAHAHAHAHAHA

Hey, he walked away intact! [;)]




LuvSponge -> RE: Harems and Tribute and Dishes, Oh My! (1/6/2005 4:35:03 PM)

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HAHAHAHAHAHA

Hey, he walked away intact! [;)]


(Well...the people in the emergency room and my insurance company differ with you on that [8D])




MizSuz -> RE: Harems and Tribute and Dishes, Oh My! (1/6/2005 4:36:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LuvSponge

(Well...the people in the emergency room and my insurance company differ with you on that hahahahahahaha)




LIES!!!!

hahahaha




LuvSponge -> RE: Harems and Tribute and Dishes, Oh My! (1/6/2005 4:39:45 PM)

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LIES!!!!

hahahaha



Okay, fine...they were laughing their asses off.

(Can I come back again now?)




MizSuz -> RE: Harems and Tribute and Dishes, Oh My! (1/6/2005 4:43:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MizSuz

LIES!!!!



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ORIGINAL: LuvSponge

Okay, fine...they were laughing their asses off.

(Can I come back again now?)




To the message boards? Of course!




MizSuz -> RE: Harems and Tribute and Dishes, Oh My! (1/6/2005 5:14:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MizSuz


Do you know what a "Crown of Thorns" is?



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ORIGINAL: sting516

no i don't....please enlighten me...



I believe it's a term coined by a wonderful prodomme I know, but I can't swear to it.

To understand a crown of thorns you must understand a butterfly board.

Are you familiar with a butterfly board? For the purposes of genitorture (we'll discuss male genitorture for this example) a butterfly boards is essentially a board with a hole in the middle large enough to accommodate the scrotum and penis. The bottom lay on their back, the goods are pulled through the board then subsequently pulled to the desired shape and "tacked down," usually with single use, individual packaged, new hypodermic needles (some folks just nail it to the board with good old fashioned nails, though). A flaccid unit is usually easiest to work with.

A crown of thorns, however, requires an erect penis, which usually involves some restrictive bondage to promote engorgement. Once the bondage is applied the glans (head of the penis) is pulled through the board, which has the hole cut small enough to only accommodate the glans. Although no stretching to tack down is necessary, instead you tack the edges of glans to the board.

The bottom bleeds more when the needles are removed...and you should wear goggles and lay paper, it's gonna gush (albeit in very tiny streams for a short period).

GOTTA love it!




MizSuz -> RE: Harems and Tribute and Dishes, Oh My! (1/6/2005 5:25:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sting516

mmmm...needles, sounds, and catheters...much fun indeed...gawd how i love things invasive!




Ya see??? INVASION is the key word with most sharps play. People who don't do it don't get it, often.

But that's the trigger, invasion.




MizSuz -> RE: Harems and Tribute and Dishes, Oh My! (1/6/2005 5:34:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MsCameron

Nodding :) I hear you.

Do you find that the more mainstream the lifestyle has become, the more the edge players tend to go back underground?

I have found that to be the case in my area. The intense players are tired of the backlash that occurrs from their scening.
The whispering of "playing too hard" and "not being safe".

They no longer push the envelope in public. It's a shame really. Those that really have a desire to see and learn from the experienced people will and do miss out.



I think there is some credence to this, although I backed out of the scene, in general but especially the public scene, for a number of personal reasons; not the least of which was simply being tired of being inundated with "Mistress, may I serve you?" Just deleting the email had become onerous.


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ORIGINAL: MsCameron

Thunder in the Mountains from 5 years ago STILL sticks in my mind :)



Ya know, I have heard such wonderful things about that event. I really do hope to make it to one.




sting516 -> RE: Harems and Tribute and Dishes, Oh My! (1/6/2005 7:10:04 PM)

Miz Suz,

About Your description of the 'crown of thorns'...well, just one word really, and that is YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW


sting




stef -> RE: Harems and Tribute and Dishes, Oh My! (1/6/2005 7:17:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sting516

Miz Suz,

About Your description of the 'crown of thorns'...well, just one word really, and that is YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW

That's an odd way of saying "Would you please do this to me at your earliest convenience?"

~stef




sting516 -> RE: Harems and Tribute and Dishes, Oh My! (1/6/2005 7:19:18 PM)

sfgrrl,

Sounds like you found the groans to English dictionary!

sting




MizSuz -> RE: Harems and Tribute and Dishes, Oh My! (1/6/2005 7:32:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sting516

Miz Suz,

About Your description of the 'crown of thorns'...well, just one word really, and that is YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW



quote:

ORIGINAL: sfgrrl

That's an odd way of saying "Would you please do this to me at your earliest convenience?"



quote:

ORIGINAL: sting516

Sounds like you found the groans to English dictionary!



WUAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA


Ahhm, <straightening slightly mussed hair> Was it good for you?




sting516 -> RE: Harems and Tribute and Dishes, Oh My! (1/6/2005 7:47:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MizSuz

quote:

ORIGINAL: sting516

Miz Suz,

About Your description of the 'crown of thorns'...well, just one word really, and that is YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW



quote:

ORIGINAL: sfgrrl

That's an odd way of saying "Would you please do this to me at your earliest convenience?"



quote:

ORIGINAL: sting516

Sounds like you found the groans to English dictionary!



WUAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA


Ahhm, <straightening slightly mussed hair> Was it good for you?



can i let You know after my red blood cell count gets back up there? ;)




stef -> RE: Harems and Tribute and Dishes, Oh My! (1/6/2005 9:12:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sting516

Sounds like you found the groans to English dictionary!

No dictionary is needed, I'm fluent in groaning too [:D]

~stef




ShadeDiva -> RE: Harems and Tribute and Dishes, Oh My! (1/6/2005 9:40:20 PM)

My opinion is that BDSM is all the same thing as DS, SM, BD, or whatever the person identifies those initials as being as a grab bag of sorts.

Throughout a relationship that I have with someone, I will no doubt at various times pull out every variation that can be contained within the term BDSM in whatever degrees is appropriate to who I'm playing with and what effect I desire to create.

Chances are if someone is limited to seeing only one aspect pf BDSM across the board at all times - they would only be a casual play partner here and there with me, if that.

I'm looking for the full spectrum, as variety interests me.

In regard to healing cycles, not all of us need them - if I'm processing and channeling it right I can take a 7-8 hour full on beating and not have a bruise to show for it the next morning, and sometimes they are gone even in a matter of hours.

Which is a good and a bad thing for someone of a sadistic nature, lol.

Now if I'm not able to keep up, that's when I'll bruise and mark. But if I am able to keep up with the flow, bout the only marks I'd wind up with are where my skin gave up the fight, and even that is fine and ready to go the next day. Thing is - the dominant rarely is if they spent 7-8 hours going full steam on me the night before, LOL!

Ray ends up hurting more than I do if I'm channeling correctly hehe if we do a longgggg scene. But then I can call him grandpa and poke and scamper off while sassing him about how old age is creeping up on him. The funny thing about that is he is 2 years younger than I am, rofl.

So I'm a brat pffffffft.

lol

~ShadeDiva




MizSuz -> RE: Harems and Tribute and Dishes, Oh My! (1/6/2005 9:48:44 PM)

Diva:

SherriA is a walking etch-a-sketch, too. I've taken a studded paddle and literally turned her ass into the visual equivalent of hamburger meat.

The next day she's got tiny little specks all over her ass that are pretty much gone by the end of the day.

I don't "flow" with the pain when I bottom. I'm an animal. I yell and scream and curse (very loudly). Totally defiant. I remember one scene with a mountain of a man when I screamed "FUUUUUCK" and he said "Yeah? Well FUCK YOU TOO" and that set the tone for much of the rest of the scene.

I do NOT heal quickly. I don't bottom often, sometimes letting years go by between sessions and I have a theory that regular play is what enables us to heal quickly. It goes to training the endorphins to start moving before the real beating has begun (some people start getting an endorphin buzz just knowing they're going to play - I am not one of those). I don't experience the seratonin type of endorphins when I play. It's the chatecholamines all the way. Adrenaline and the like. When I do bottom it usually takes as much as a month for me to heal.

I'd post a pic, but I'm not sure it would be allowed. I'd be happy to share with you if you'd like, though.




proudsub -> RE: Harems and Tribute and Dishes, Oh My! (1/6/2005 10:06:39 PM)

I agree there hasn't been very much discussion here on more extreme play other than breath play. Here are a few threads that did come up in my search:

knife and needle play

fireplay

some thoughts on edge play





ShadeDiva -> RE: Harems and Tribute and Dishes, Oh My! (1/6/2005 11:41:16 PM)

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don't "flow" with the pain when I bottom. I'm an animal. I yell and scream and curse (very loudly). Totally defiant. I remember one scene with a mountain of a man when I screamed "FUUUUUCK" and he said "Yeah? Well FUCK YOU TOO" and that set the tone for much of the rest of the scene.

I do NOT heal quickly. I don't bottom often, sometimes letting years go by between sessions and I have a theory that regular play is what enables us to heal quickly. It goes to training the endorphins to start moving before the real beating has begun (some people start getting an endorphin buzz just knowing they're going to play - I am not one of those). I don't experience the seratonin type of endorphins when I play. It's the chatecholamines all the way. Adrenaline and the like. When I do bottom it usually takes as much as a month for me to heal.


I dont flow with it - I change it. Just if I can keep up with what Im being given somehow it doesnt translate into damage and my body just absorbs it. Its a very conscious thing. When I'm channeling it and doing it right I'm changing how my nerves relay the sensation or how my brain interpretes the signals - I have never fully determined exactly which it is, as it is something I do with both the nerves and the recepters in my brain as far as I've been able to figure it out - though I think it most likely is a combination of both. I haven;t yet met someone that seems to be able to do that but I keep hoping as I think I'd gain some insight from someone else that does that as well.

Now if I am not able to process and I'm experienceing the pain as actual pain (and yes since Ray is sadistic, there are times he either tells me to NOT change it, or makes it realllllllly difficult to manage) then I'm exactly as you say, pure unadulterated animal -mostly cuz he will be playing pretty heavy, the less heavy stuff doesn't bring our my agreesive - you want a piece of me streak like heavy pain does if I'm not controlling how I perceive it. Im pretty sure I've gone into why we don't play in public often on a few threads in here and its for that reason I will cuss him out, and there are times that he knows if he hits that right combination I better be restrained or he better be ready to take me down or have others take me down cuz I'm coming after him or whatever is striking me. LOL. He's burly enough (he's something of a mountain of a man himself, very solid, and has HUGE freaking arms he's a little tank I swear lol) that he can usually handle that even when I catch him by surprise which doesn't really happen anymore, he knows when I'm about to try to take that fuckinggoddamnevilnastyhideousmotherfuckingtoy from him and do... oh god knows what with it, all I know is I'm trying to do *something* lol, he's never lasped to the point that he allowed me to get to that point. That being said, he *knows* what will bring me to that point and what won't and if he brings me to that point its cuz he wants to see it, and enjoys playing with that wild part of me, that would most likely scare most people it see it that raw and unmasked. Though sadists just seem to get this ungodly devilish little gleam glowing from their eyes when they see that for some odd and fully bizarre reason LOL!

Generally speaking, if I'm not cussing up a storm, or delivering a blow by blow commentary or running banter, I'm laughing my ass off in peal after peal of laughter consisting of varying laughs from guffaws to titters to every laugh in between generally at the top of my lungs and ah well, I got me some BIG ASS lungs LOL.

We don't play all that frequently, unfortunately. Due to the way we play and the intensity level we play at and the sheer amount of energy we generate as well as my laughing and our volume (from my big lungs to the sound of him going full tilt, big arms, huge flogger, makes for a lot of volume) we can't play at home (we actually have gotten compliants so that's out, not even a good long spanking, and his hand hitting my ass is loud enough to actually scare our neighbors eben with a stereo on full lol), and we can't play like that in public venues unless its appropriate and private parties have to be with those that can handle seeing it or hearing it. We've had submissives literally freak out and crumble just on the sound of his impacts on my back with his hand, toy, whatever is being used because just the intensity of the sound of the impact and the vibrations it sends out is so strong it literally scared them to pieces. So we have to be very careful and as a result, play isn't often - we have to make sure the folks know us and our style and can stomach it or we do something really light that won't be always as satisfying for us but at least will be something.

Add into the fact that its difficult for me to get into a submissive or bottom mindset - and well - it sorta means play is a rare thing.

As for preparing to play having an effect you might be correct on that, not sure. For me what seems to determine if I keep a bruise or a welt rather than absorbing it is whether or not I can effectively channel and change the sensation at the point of impact. If he catches me off guard and lands in a good one that I can't process fast enough, *that* will be the one place that has a mark that has any staying power, whereas all the others will go.

I can look at my body afterward and go yup, that one I wasn't able to change - I remember that one coming through as being painful.

~ShadeDiva




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