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pleasuresyrene -> Background Checks (1/5/2005 1:00:39 PM)
i am an attorney and am connected to a private investigation organization. In order to reduce the risk asssociated with meeting people through the internet, i offer a background check which can be performed with name, date of birth and social security number for as little as $50. I urger both Dom/mes and submissives to avail T/themselves of this service to reduce the risk of serious problems. pleasuresyrene -- fem submissive -- Florida

INSIDEYOURMIND -> RE: Background Checks (1/5/2005 1:04:17 PM)
I would also want to know that besides the items mentioned, you are also getting the approval of the person you are going to check out? I also think this post should be in the professional services area, if it isn't moved there already.

sub4hire -> RE: Background Checks (1/5/2005 1:19:45 PM)
Hmm 50 seems like over 40 too high. A few weeks ago when contacted by my ex sister in law to spend the holidays with us. My neice had sent me a card. She lives in Washington state. We had little to no info to go on except her name. No, we did not have her social security number. We had Washington state. Anyway, to get to my point here. I paid 7.95 online and got it all. Now, where I find serious issues with being able to find people so easily. I was happy it only cost me 7.95 to locate her for the holidays. I had more money to spend on her ticket down to visit that way.

topcat -> RE: Background Checks (1/5/2005 1:20:36 PM)
Or, you could sign up here, and in the case of a possible assignation, ask that your prospect also sign on... VerifedBDSM My VSN is 1963, for example

perverseangelic -> RE: Background Checks (1/5/2005 2:07:08 PM)
I was looking around at verifiedBDSM. Who does the verifying? What's to stop you from showing a fake ID or getting called at a pay phone? Also, what's the advantage of this verification? All it shows is that you really are a human being. As far as I can tell it doesn't say anything about your status as a person- that is, whether or not you practice safe sex, whether you'd obey safe words, etc. I mean, I can see it as an advantage in that it shows you really are a person, but I can't see how it verifies anything absolutely. I mean, I could figure out ways to fake the verifications they mention without a whole lot of work... EDIT: ok, I read more. Some of the verifications I think it'd be hard to fake. Still, all that says about you is that you really exist, as far as I can see. I'm probably missing it, but I still don't see how that verification does anything more than provide the same kind of saftey net safecalls would.

topcat -> RE: Background Checks (1/5/2005 2:24:35 PM)
quote: Some of the verifications I think it'd be hard to fake. Still, all that says about you is that you really exist, as far as I can see. I'm probably missing it, but I still don't see how that verification does anything more than provide the same kind of saftey net safecalls would. Midear PA- True enough- it's not a foolproof system, but it is an alternetive to a backround check (which aren't impossible to beat either). It also allows you to offer the infomation, rather than having it chased down. It doesn't offer any personality vouching, either, doesn't attempt to verify any skill sets or intangibiles. Just provides a chance to offer proof that your are who you say you are. Stay Warm, Lawrence

Paulnz -> RE: Background Checks (1/5/2005 2:56:06 PM)
Another approach is to go by word of mouth. You'd be surprised what you can find out about someone if you take the time to get on the phone and call people. I am assuming in saying this that the person being checked on is or has been active in the BDSM community. I rely on word of mouth as a primary source. If not active, or a newbie, then the place I start is the Electoral Roll. This will give you address and occupation ( assuming you have their real name ).

MizSuz -> RE: Background Checks (1/5/2005 3:43:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pleasuresyrene i am an attorney and am connected to a private investigation organization. In order to reduce the risk asssociated with meeting people through the internet, i offer a background check which can be performed with name, date of birth and social security number for as little as $50. I urger both Dom/mes and submissives to avail T/themselves of this service to reduce the risk of serious problems. pleasuresyrene -- fem submissive -- Florida An autotrack report is 17.00 for national coverage with associates, 5 dollars more will get you criminal records and takes about 5 minutes to run (especially if ssn is furnished). You pay flat-rate for enhanced due diligence online services? If so, then it's even cheaper. That's a pretty sweet mark-up you've got going there.

sub4hire -> RE: Background Checks (1/5/2005 3:49:46 PM)
quote: Just provides a chance to offer proof that your are who you say you are. Actually it doesn't even do that. As perverse said it is easy to get a fake ID. Just as easy to go to a munch and say you are that fake person. When they first started that site I was against it, because it doesn't do anything. I'd hope no newbie would refer to it as gospel. A lot of people can get hurt. Years back here in California we had a well respected pediatrician within the scene. Was he who he claimed to be? Yes, but he is also doing something like 60 year's in prison now for molesting little girls. He would have been verified.

MizSuz -> RE: Background Checks (1/5/2005 3:52:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: INSIDEYOURMIND I would also want to know that besides the items mentioned, you are also getting the approval of the person you are going to check out? I haven't read the entire thread, pardon me if I am being redundant. You don't need someone's permission to check their background, as long as you don't run a credit report without their permission. The credit reporting agencies can still report your addresses, phone numbers, etc., as long as it is not in conjunction with a credit report. If you want to live off the grid, folks, you need to contact the three primary credit reporting agencies and tell them you wish to opt out. Their number is: 1-888-5-OPTOUT (1-888-567-8688). It's a circuitous process because it's a pain for them and they'd rather you didn't bother. The downside of this is that EVERY TIME you want credit going forward you'll have to give WRITTEN PERMISSION. It will slow down any credit purchases you try to make or any transaction that requires a credit check. It will, however, eventually stop most of the bulk mail you get in your snail mail box. You'll also need to never have a small claims made against you, never be delinquent in your taxes, and never purchase property or get utilities in your name. Otherwise, you can be found. One nation, under surveillance.

stef -> RE: Background Checks (1/5/2005 3:54:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MizSuz That's a pretty sweet mark-up you've got going there. He is a lawyer, after all... ~stef

MizSuz -> RE: Background Checks (1/5/2005 4:00:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sfgrrl quote: ORIGINAL: MizSuz That's a pretty sweet mark-up you've got going there. He is a lawyer, after all... ~stef I'm sayin'! If you do the entire check on flat-rate services you'll spend a little more time doing it but it will be cheaper. Enhanced due diligence with national coverage costs about (or less than) 150 bucks a month for flat-rate. Figure it takes you 5 to 15 minutes to do the searches. That's a SWEET markup. pleasuresyrene - do you do the search or get your paralegal to do it? Do you enter into confidentiality agreements with your clients? Is your paralegal bound by a confidentiality agreement? Inquiring minds want to know!

MistressDREAD -> RE: Background Checks (1/5/2005 4:37:00 PM)
ummm most all of you have totally missed the threads mark. A background check is NOT a credit check verification of name verification of address verification of phone number verification of Lifestyle or job. A background check CANNOT be had except by permission of all parties involved and the exchange of legal name, driver licence number and social security number as well as fingerprints that are run on the national computer system to see what records you have if any. The charge listed is right inline with others from Florida. JMO Ohhhh yes and lovley boo bs INSIDEYOURMIND! ya ya!! [;)]

MemphisDsCouple -> RE: Background Checks (1/5/2005 4:38:49 PM)
If all these reports and registrations and enquiries are for the purpose of instantly creating a feeling of confidence and safety so a person can travel out of their city of residence, meet someone they don't even know, and (virtually) immediately get nekkid, chained and laid....... I submit to the reader that any of the investigative methods mentioned will be far more dangerous than no reports, registrations and enquiries at all because these investigations are likely to prop up a false sense of security in the mind of the vulnerable. Sensible people do not approach things in this fashion. If one is bound and determined to get tied up by someone they don't know hundreds of miles from home, none of these things are any help at all for that person! Whatever happened to getting to know people in the flesh? Meeting their friends? Doing things together? Sheesh Postscript: You are welcome to print or save this post for your own use. Please do not copy it to any public or semi-public forum (including email groups/lists) without my express permission. Thanks. All rights reserved. (I write this postscript because after-the-fact someone wrote to me to inform me that they had copied a prior post I wrote to another list. So, I thought I'd better clarify what my preference/policy is regarding use of what I write.) B. (the male half of MemphisDsCouple)

MizSuz -> RE: Background Checks (1/5/2005 5:39:49 PM)
MDsC: I quite agree with the spirit of your post. Background checks do NOT replace good judgement. Period. I can think of a couple of reasons, off the top of my head, to do a background check on someone, though. If I were contemplating the possibility of quitting my job to move across country to be with someone, especially if I were planning on being dependent on that someone for any length of time, I'd be interested in knowing whether or not they've filed bankruptcy three times in the last 10 years and have numerous judgements and tax liens against them. It would certainly be enough to be the foundation of a serious discussion prior to my uprooting my life. Perhaps you'd like to know that the person you are bringing across the country turned out to be a registered repeat sex offender (they come in both genders)? Do you assume because they have not told you that they must not be? It's possible their registration was because they got arrested on some obscure law against BDSM 10 years ago, but wouldn't you want to discuss it? Whether or not you used that information on it's own to make your determinations for anything goes to whether you are witless or not (as you so eloquently pointed out). I'd want to know.

MistressDREAD -> RE: Background Checks (1/5/2005 6:20:12 PM)
quote: Whatever happened to getting to know people in the flesh? Meeting their friends? Doing things together? Sheesh Actually its a very VERY small world these days and many get into Ownerships or relationships sight unseen and it is in the least wise to first require such things as a back ground check on anyone whom you intend to move or move to in order to gain some added information on this person befor making any determinations on what you desire to do concerning a relationship which might start long distance as many do these days. The majority of people murdered in the USA are murdered by those persons whom they know such as those We know in the flesh and freinds. quote: Sensible people do not approach things in this fashion You are wrong. Sensible people do not judge OTHERS choices as adults and this IS the fashion of the day and times in the world today. Its a small small world.

perverseangelic -> RE: Background Checks (1/5/2005 7:07:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: topcat quote: Some of the verifications I think it'd be hard to fake. Still, all that says about you is that you really exist, as far as I can see. I'm probably missing it, but I still don't see how that verification does anything more than provide the same kind of saftey net safecalls would. Midear PA- True enough- it's not a foolproof system, but it is an alternetive to a backround check (which aren't impossible to beat either). It also allows you to offer the infomation, rather than having it chased down. It doesn't offer any personality vouching, either, doesn't attempt to verify any skill sets or intangibiles. Just provides a chance to offer proof that your are who you say you are. Stay Warm, Lawrence Ok, that makes sense to me. Thank you!

CTclay -> RE: Background Checks (1/5/2005 7:20:35 PM)
My eyes hurt after reading MsDread's posts. Not in a good way either. When I first started masturbating to submissive fantasies at an early age, I wondered (well, wondered for a few seconds anyway) whether the old wive's tale of masturbation leading to blindness might actually have something to it. Now, when it's too late and I'm hooked for life on sex, BDSM and CollarMe board messages, MsDread is forcing me to get a seeing-eye dog. I just hope it can read well and that I can trust it with my CollarMe password.

INSIDEYOURMIND -> RE: Background Checks (1/5/2005 7:30:13 PM)
I don't say this often, but Dread, I agree with you completely! If you are running a background check on someone without their permission, and you are not attached to a law enforcement agency (which still needs a warrant) you are doing it illegally.

MistressDREAD -> RE: Background Checks (1/5/2005 7:30:43 PM)
Trust Me CTclay if I was forcing you to do anything you and everyone around Us would damn well know it! Iggie button is at the left bottom

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